Heart Damage from Adriamycin and Radiation
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Debbie,
I haven't been on the board since Sunshine died, so I'm late getting to this thread of yours. I am so sorry you've had to go through this.
Your experience is chilling to me. When I was diagnosed in 2002 (Stage 1, Grade 1, ER/PR +) I was 44. I was told A/C was my "choice"--offering about a 3% reduction in risk of recurrence. I chose NOT to do chemo, because of my concern about adria and heart problems. I'm very active physically, and I knew my left sided radiation would offer enough risk.
In fact, had chemo been necessary, I would have opted for a longer course of CMF, to reduce my cardiac risk.
I knew about this stuff because I did tons of research. Plus, I'm a nurse practitioner. The "language" was familiar to me, as was expressing my concerns to doctors.
Your story is a great reminder to us as survivors, as well as providers, that things can still go sour years later.
I hope you continue to improve, get the meds straightened out for the sake of your energy level, and life gets back to normal for you. Whatever normal is--it's constantly changing!
Best of luck,
Anne -
Hi Anne,
I understand completely, because coming to the boards and not seeing posts by Sunshine just doesn't seem right. I still cannot believe she is gone. I am actually trying to just stay away but I think it is SO important that women understand that issues can come up later.
I actually thought I had researched everything that I could research on breast cancer and the risks of chemo and rads. My tumor was 2.4 cm and I was ER-/PR- and highly HER+++. At that time A/C chemo was my best chance being HER+++. I knew it could cause heart damage. I just didn't understand what kind of heart damage or what the symptoms were. I also did not understand the importance of DEMANDING Muga scans. I remember asking my onc about them but he said they weren't necessary and that symptoms were a better indicator. I am still just so angry at him. But most of all I am angry at myself for missing this very important piece of knowledge that goes with bc.
It has been exactly 3 months since I was dx'd with congestive heart failure and severe cardiomyopathy. I'm on a very low sodium diet, taking my meds and praying that when my cardiologist checks my Ejection Fraction in December that it will have returned to the normal range or at least increased a great deal. I feel good and I don't look like anyone with any health problems but then again I didn't when I was in the hospital.
I just want to bring awareness to side effects that can occur years later. It has been 5.5 years since I finished chemo. While I am 51, I do not have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, blockages nor was I obese, diabetic and didn't smoke or drink.
Thanks for the posts. It is always good to hear from some friends from way back. I hope you are continuing to have good health and great checkups!
Debbie -
"The chemo nurses told me that damage from Adriamycin can show up to 20 or more years later".
It means, we could live long life?! -
Anne..I had my chemo six years ago and decided to do the CMF because of the cardiotoxicity of AC or CAF..Good to see you!!
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How much better is epirubicin compared to adiamycin? I had epi and read it is just a little better. It is also red. My doc ordered it as I was supposed to get Herceptin too and the combo is more dangerous for the heart if you get Adriamycin.
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When I was dx'd in 2001, there was absolutely nothing good about being HER+++ and ER/PR-. They were only beginning to routinely test for the HER oncogene. Herceptin was only offered to Stage 4. The only thing you could find at the time was AC worked better in preventing recurrences in HER+++ women.
Even now, if I had it to do over I would do the AC chemo. I believe it saved my life.
However, there are 2 things that I would now do:
1. Demand regular Muga Scans from my onc so if heart function deminished I could be referred to a cardiologist and go on meds before it got worse.
2. If I experienced any shortness of breath and was waking up in the middle of the night unable to breathe, when I went to the ER, I would insist they check my heart and run a BNP test at least. I may would even lie and say that I was having some chest pains just to ensure they would check it!
I just want to bring awareness to heart problems that may develop years after completing chemo.
As I have said, I am still really angry at myself for not demanding that my onc do muga scans. I am also angry at myself for not knowing what the symptoms of congestive heart failure.
This is really serious and I am very lucky to be alive right now.
Debbie -
Debbie, I was reading your story and it was like I was reliving my own story. In November I went to the ER and my EF number was 17, got put on 3 meds to strenghen the heart, I already had low blood pressure and these did not help the situation at all but my body finally got used to them. Had another echo about two months ago, my EF went to 23, not the improvement they were looking for. The cardio doctor put me on another med and in Nov. I will have another echo and if it is not 35 or above they will put in a difibulator. At 44 you wouldn't think that this could happen to you but as someone said before, at least I'm alive to talk about it. Hang in there, you're not alone.
"Trust Your Journey" -
I am reading all these stories and feeling sick to my stomach. When I went for my Herceptin infusion a couple of days ago, I found out my ejection fraction had dropped from 67% to 36%.
I took Adriamycin, Herceptin, and had rads to the left side. Since my only other ECHO was before chemo started, no one knows what has caused this. Herceptin has been discontinued.
I am very concerned that my heart will not get better. I'm not too thrilled about not being able to get Herceptin, either. Scary stuff!
Debbie, thank you for bringing this topic up and making everyone more aware. May each of us have improved heart function soon!
Miss S
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