June 2007 Chemo

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  • tos
    tos Member Posts: 376
    edited July 2007
    Hi Gracie, bless your heart, you are sure having a hard time of it w/this chemo and nausea. Maybe you should ask them to change your nausea meds to something else? There is no reason why you should be having nausea for so long, atleast I would think so! Why don't you give the Onc's office a call and tell them what is going on, maybe they can help you.
    Ah yes crying over the hair loss. Well it is definitely a tough thing to go thru, we all know it grows back but it doesn't change how we feel at the moment.
    I would imagine with your not feeling well that it compounds your reactions to other things, I know it does me and we are all going to go thru down times and then up times, just seems to go with this little adventure we didn't ask for. Maybe you might try an antidepressant, alot of women take them. Sometimes tears are good for us along with all the other feelings that invade our thoughts and minds, the good and bad, we unfortunately have to deal with it all in our own way. I have my tears believe me.
    Please write whenever you just want to talk, sometimes that in itself makes us feel better and we're all here to support each other.
    Don't worry either about not being here all the time, we all have our on and off days, that is natural.
    Big big hug and hope today is a little better,
  • Charlie451
    Charlie451 Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2007
    Hi all. Bonnie the pictures were great. It's nice to connect a name with an actual person. Maybe we should all try it.
    Gracie, I feel for you and your illness. Are you drinking tons of water, tea or whatever fluid you can stand? I think that helps flush all the poisons out.
    Pam, I totally understand your feelings. Everyone in this county knows I have had a breast cancer. It is impossible to keep anything a secret here. Even the girl at the drive in credit union window asked me how I was feeling! People for the most part have been very kind but I do get a few stares. Maybe that's because I wear the flashiest headscarf and earrings I can find. I figure if they have a problem with that so what. Don't let those hicks get you down.
    Linda
  • tos
    tos Member Posts: 376
    edited July 2007
    Linda I love it! The flashiest headscarf and earrings you can find, thumbs up to you!
    Wish I could pull that off. Maybe I'll just go bald and really blow their socks off. lol
  • Charlie451
    Charlie451 Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2007
    Go for it, Pam.
    Linda
  • SusieSwan
    SusieSwan Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2007
    Gracie, I understand how you feel...here I was for my first treatment and so excited about all the anti-naseau meds...Emend, Compazine, Lorizipan and one other. Felt good trough infusion time and about 5 hours after, I started getting queezy. So, I took one of my just in case and it came flying back up, took my stronger just in case and an hour later it came flying back up. By then, I just kept vomiting an couldn't keep anything down, not even water. Ended upin the ER that night. They gave me IV fluid, Lorizipan and Zoloft. That knocked me out and when I woke up, I was slightly dizzy but no more vomiting, what a relief. I slept pretty good and day two & three have been slightly squeezy, but not vomiting. I have zero appetite...trying to eat crackers, applesauce and of course the fluids but nothing is tasting good and it's an effort to chew.

    I'm going to ask them to change the meds around next time and hopefully I will not get so ill the night of treatment.

    I'm so happy most of the rest of you are doing okay.

    Hugs,
    Susan
  • honeygirl
    honeygirl Member Posts: 1,718
    edited July 2007
    Nice pics Bonnie.Pam , I know exactly how you feel. Same here in this little town. You would think with the odds of 1 in 8 women just for breast cancer , their would be more than just me in a scarf. I really miss my hair. Its been so hot here lately , I can't wait to get home from work and de-scarf my head!
    I go for my third tx this Wed. I am preparing myself for more or longer nausea. Maybe it won't be as bad this time. At least I have something for the heartburn too.
    I had a really bad weekend. I had to put my cat down after 16 wonderful years with her. Her name was Edwina Louise.aka "honegirl". They let me hold her and I kept telling her I love her and she passed in my arms. I miss her so much. I seem to have lost so much this year. I sure hope things start looking up. I would glady settle for normal and uneventful. Well , good luck to everyone this week and I'll let you know how tx 3 goes. Hugs and prayers to you all. Melody
  • kath11
    kath11 Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
    Hi to All,

    Gracie and Susan, I'm so sorry about the hard time you both have had. I feel so fortunate I haven't had the vomiting. I do take the Zofran and Lorazepam and feel nausea for at least six days. I've had my third Tx and it is day 7. I finally feel somewhat normal today. My second Tx the nausea lasted a good 9-10 days so I swore I'd drink more this round. Just like Linda mentioned, I think the more you drink the sooner you get this stuff out of you and on the way to feeling better. But it's the hardest thing to find anything I want to drink. Water is the worst. I just keep changing my drink of choice. I've tried every different juice I can think of, Gatorade, lemondade, ginger ale. It seems like they are okay for one or two glasses, then they taste as bad as everything else. Milk probably has worked the best for me, as long as it is ice cold.

    Bonnie, thanks for posting the pictures. You look great and have a beautiful family!

    Honeygirl, I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved cat. I had a 14-year-old golden retriever who I held while she was put to sleep. It broke my heart. Our pets bring us so much unconditional love. There is nothing like it.

    My prayers and best wishes to everyone for a good week.

    xoxo
    Kathleen
  • sdstarfish
    sdstarfish Member Posts: 544
    edited July 2007
    OOPS...I counted wrong - day 17 is this WEDNESDAY! As in 3 days. Tick-tick-tick-tock....


    Hang in there, Gracie! I feel for you. If you can handle it, try drinking iced ginger tea. Ginger is great for settling your tummy, and the tea will count as water (it's herbal).
  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2007
    Hi, all,
    Gracie and Susan, I'm so sorry to hear you're suffering so badly with your treatments. I wish there was something I could do but writing and sharing with us hopefully will make you feel so not alone in this. {{{Gracie and Susan}}} I know they push the water but I was told in my instruction sheets to avoid water and dairy products if I felt nausea. Ginger ale and flat classic coke were recommended instead. I'm sure you've tried all the old home remedies already. I wish I could be of more help.

    Bonnie, YOU ARE WOMAN! You look fabulous. I am kinda enjoying my bald state and don't care if anyone sees me w/o a scarf or hat. Went to a family reunion over the weekend and my uncles and I compared hair status. LOL

    Pam, I wonder if you pinned a pink ribbon on your turbans and scarves if that would help stop the staring. It doesn't have to be blaring but a discreet little ribbon might accessorize it just right. :-)

    Melody, I'm so sorry to hear of your cat. Our pets truly do become a part of our families and it's sad when we lose them. Hugs to you.

    I"m doing really well this time around, one week out and I feel, dare I say it, almost normal. I've had bad constipation though this time and have tried everything. Hopefully something will kick in soon.

    The home visiting nurse still comes everyday to change my packing and dressing. It is taking forever for this to heal. At least the infection is gone and the wound is closing up, from 4 inches initially to about 1 1/2 inch now. The nurse says probably in two weeks it should be healed completely and I will be off restrictions. Hooray, I can't wait. I think my butt is growing roots to the sofa.

    That's my update. HOpe everyone is doing well, Good luck to those having tx this week!!
  • tos
    tos Member Posts: 376
    edited July 2007
    Oh honeygirl, bless your heart, I am so sorry to hear about your kitty. It is so heartbreaking to loose a pet that we love so much.
    I'm getting my third treatment Thursday, we must be on about the same schedule.
    You are so right, wouldn't it be nice to settle for normal
    and uneventful!
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited July 2007
    Honeygirl - I am so sorry to hear about your cat. It is so hard to let them go especially when they get so old.
    I had to put my dog Nikki down in November (she was my personal trainer during my four surgeries last year), at 15 years 7 1/2 months. I miss her terribly.

    I've been trying to keep up with everyone's posts - it sure is a busy time for our group.

    I will have #3 A/C treatment this Thursday. If the first two are any indication I will be taking a relpax for my usual migraine on treatment day and plan on being disfunctional through most of the weekend! At least the emend, compazine and ativan are doing their job fairly well so far!

    I am a big fan of Christmas (check out organizedchristmas.com) and our local radio station has a Christmas in July day where they play the music etc so I was on their site and found where you can click on Britney Spears bald picture and up comes 134 pictures of various "stars" that they have removed their hair! After clicking through them, I certainly feel that I don't look as funny as I previously thought since they have makeup artists and I don't!!

    Take a look:
    http://washfm.com/cc-common/gallery/display.html?album_id=47296

    Hope everyone that has been having trouble with their treatments are feeling better!!

    Dawn
  • litig8or
    litig8or Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2007
    One of the June boards (I post from time to time on both) we were talking about Tylenol. It seemed I was in the minority in that my onc told me not to take anything that would mask fever since that's the first sign of infection. So, I don't. Now I know why.
    I was 9 days out of my 3rd tx of A/C when I woke up last Monday with a fever. 100.9. I slept most of the day and my parents came by that evening and it had dropped to 100.2. About an hour after everyone left it was 103.4. By the time my mom got back here to watch my kids and my boyfriend here to take me to the ER it was 104. At check-in in the ER it was 105.3!! Come to find out I was neutropenic and ended up being in the hopsital getting antibiotics and such until Friday afternoon!
    Who knows what would have happened to me if I had taken Tylenol.....I guess my WBC would have kept dropping b/c I wouldn't think there was a problem. Other than being tired and the fever, I didn't feel that bad.

    So, fever alone can be a symtom of something very dire. I urge you all to watch your intake of Tylenol--especially if it's only for fever.
  • garnetann
    garnetann Member Posts: 158
    edited July 2007
    Hi,
    I just started AC chemo on 7/5/07. I was so nauseous until yesterday, still queazy, but atleast I was not asleep. They said the compozine was knocking me out. I woke up with headaches on Sunday and today and took some ibuprophen and tylenol, whatever I could grab. But they told me it was OK to take it as long as I did not take it for any fevers. I am on dose dense so I will get it 2x a month for 4 times. I have had the world's worse hangover and food poisening, and this is worse than both. I am hoping the next time might not be so bad, but I am going to be better prepared, I hope. Drinking water has never been a problem for me, I am a big proponent of getting in my 64 oz a day, but after this, I am lucky to get anything down at all, but I am trying. I had not thought about trying different liquids, I will do that next time. I am getting well hydrated today, but I think it is too little too late. My pharmacist said I could keep taking the ginger root for the nausea, it was easier on my system than the other drugs. And seemed to work as well. Cheers
    Garnet
  • SusieSwan
    SusieSwan Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2007
    Hi Kathy,
    I was told no ibuprofen during week 2 but other than that, it is okay for tylenol. Gosh it is amazing all the different marching orders we get. I'm so glad you are okay.

    Garnet, I'm with you! I've been ill, ill, ill, worse ever and was in the ER. If it starts again after tx #2, I'm headed right to the ER for IV anti-nausea. I'm not messing around, that was horrible. I'm also finding ginger ale reallly helped settle my tummy today.

    Hugs,
    Susan
  • shrink
    shrink Member Posts: 936
    edited July 2007

    Had chemo#2 (AC) on Thursday and felt OK until Monday when I felt weak, cold and nauseous. I did take Odansetron 8 mg later in the day and it helped. I find that eating small meals frequently is better but I'm craving strange things. Last night I had gobs of cold spaghetti. At least I could eat by then. I've lost my taste for chocolate and orange joice. One day all I wanted was a wedge of lettuce. Hope you're all doing OK today.

  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2007
    Litiga8or, I'm glad you're doing better, how frightening for you! Do you get the Neulasta shot?

    Susan and Garnet, Hope your next tx go much smoother for you both. I had another idea that worked for me after my first tx when the nausea was acting up...I drank my fluids through a straw, something about by-passing the taste buds or something, I don't know, but it worked to fulfill the fluid intake. Shrink has a great suggestion too, smaller meals throughout the day, maybe something light every two hours or so.

    Shrink, you aren't pregnant, are you? ;-) I've lost the taste for chocolate too but my favorite thing I've lost taste for are my diet cokes...wah! Neither one are particularly healthy so I should be rejoicing instead of complaining but hey, if I have to go through this I'd at least like to enjoy some of my favorite snacks.
    Anyone know when our *real taste buds return??
  • SusieSwan
    SusieSwan Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2007
    Thanks for the idea Terry...my step-daughter did bring me some straws and they are helping. Ginger ale is helping as well. I did keep some elbow macaroni down last night and this morning I'm trying to munch on some dry corn pops (can't do the milk). I've lost another pound (7 now since Friday) so I now I really have to try to push this as much as I can. I'm hoping I'll get over the hump really quick!
    Hugs,
    Susan
  • SusieSwan
    SusieSwan Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2007

    Testing my new pic...

  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2007

    Susan, I lost 10 lbs after my first tx (I've since gained them back and then some..sigh) so I feel for you. Nothing tasted good but chicken soup/broth and oyster crackers. Have you called your dr?

  • SusieSwan
    SusieSwan Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2007
    My regular onc is on vacation until July 25th so I'm seeing the fill-ins. I figured I'd wait until next Friday (already gagging at the thought of going in there). And, oh, I can't even look at anything red, let alone eat it. I'm hoping as soon as I get to feeling better, the weight will come back on.

    My pic is myself, my daughter (our town's pentunia festival queen this year!, my step-son and my youngest daughter).
  • SharonInMO
    SharonInMO Member Posts: 26
    edited July 2007
    Hi all,

    I just did my 3rd AC out of 4 last week. After that, I switch to 12 weekly Taxols, then radiation, then 5 years of Tamoxifen.

    I am hoping to visit my fiance in Turkey midway through the Taxol--the oncologist says okay. I won't have seen him for 6 months, as he was doing his mandatory Navy service in the Turkish Navy. He won't be able to come here for another 4 months after that as we await his visa.

    But I was wondering if Taxol will have all the crappy side effects of AC? Will I still feel nauseus, have a giant headache, blurred vision, fatigue, etc.? I was assuming Taxol must be "easy" since my onc is making me do it every week for 12 weeks. But will I be okay to make a big trip and act chipper for my fiance in the middle of Taxol? All I know about Taxol is the neuropathy. I don't know any other side effects, or even if it causes hair loss. I already lost it all on AC, but thought it might grow back during Taxol...

    Thanks,

    Sharon in MO

    Stage III BC
    dx 4/19/07
    Started AC 6/4/07
  • litig8or
    litig8or Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2007
    Terry--yep, I get the Neulasta shot---I put on my caringbridge site that the neutropenia meant that my chemo was working but the $3,200 shot they give me afterwards wasn't!

    I did go back to work today! Yippie!
  • garnetann
    garnetann Member Posts: 158
    edited July 2007
    Hi Sharon,
    I had this saved because I thought they would put me on Taxol, but they are not.
    The following Taxol side effects are common (occurring in greater than 30%) for patients taking Taxol:

    Low blood counts. Your white and red blood cells and platelets may temporarily decrease. This can put you at increased risk for infection, anemia and/or bleeding.
    Hair loss
    Arthralgias and myalgias, pain in the joints and muscles. Usually temporary occurring 2 to 3 days after Taxol, and resolve within a few days.
    Peripheral neuropathy (numbness and tingling of the hands and feet)
    Nausea and vomiting (usually mild)
    Diarrhea
    Mouth sores
    Hypersensitivity reaction - fever, facial flushing, chills, shortness of breath, or hives after Taxol is given. The majority of these reactions occur within the first 10 minutes of an infusion. Notify your healthcare provider immediately (premedication regimen has significantly decreased the incidence of this reaction).

    I feel so good today, and feel like I ate everything in sight today. They said next time, they are going to try me on Zofran instead of the compazine. The nurse said I was not in the 70% that the compazine is effective for. Hoping for less nausea next week.
  • Charlie451
    Charlie451 Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2007
    Sharon,
    My daughter travels alot and I know that, before an extended stay in some places, you have to take innoculation shots for various diseases. I guess Turkey is a fairly safe but I'd check with State Dept to see what is required/recommended for innoculations. Also be sure to guard against airplane "air". Just be cautious and follow onc's orders.
    Linda
  • sdstarfish
    sdstarfish Member Posts: 544
    edited July 2007
    Hi, Linda:
    How do you guard against airplane air? I am traveling to Philly on July 26.

    Sharon: Did anyone tell you about wearing a speacial sleeve on your arm when you're on a plane so you don't get lymphadema?
  • Charlie451
    Charlie451 Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2007

    Lisa, my daughter takes an immune system "booster" lozenge before airplane trips. It is called "Airborne" and you gat get it in the pharmacy section at WalMart or online at drugstore.com. I think you could also just wear a mask, too.

  • honeygirl
    honeygirl Member Posts: 1,718
    edited July 2007
    Hi everyone. Susieswan and Garnet , I hope you are feeling better. I had my Third of four tx yesterday. What a time that was. They had trouble with my port. They couldn't get it to back flow my blood. The meds were flowing , But slight blood re-flow then none. So they turned me every which way but loose and still nothing. So they tried a bigger needle. Boy did that hurt! She got it to re-flow twice said she knew it was in , but that it was probably sucking againist the side of the vein and causing the suction. So when it came time to take the "red devil" the Doc said no way and to acsess a vein on my hand. So they did. After she was done she started taking syringe off of the cath. and it just broke off! Said they never seen that happen before. So she had to stick another needle into the cath. line to flush it out. What a time. They did tell me to take my Kytril sooner than I have been , and it seems to have worked for me. My nausea hasn't been half as bad as it usually is for me so far. I have to go back today for my neulasta shot. For some reason , I thought I would only get one that would cover it. But I guess I thought wrong. Also they are scheduling me for another echo-ultra sound to see if the red devil is causing any heart problems.
    Pam , hope your third treatment went well. Lets us know.
    Take care ladies. Hugs and Prayers , Melody
  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2007
    Susan, I hope you're doing much better by now, haven't seen you check in for a few days. The family picture is sweet, congrats to your daughter!

    For those of you traveling by air, I have heard of a special sleeve we should wear to prevent lymphedema.
    Many women in my support group swear by them but I don't recall where they actually get them!

    Garnet, I'm so glad to hear you're doing better and your appetite has reappeared.

    For those of you wondering about Taxol SE, there is a current discussion under 'Just Diagnosed" that is covering what to expect. Many of the ladies have said it isn't nearly as bad as the AC...I'm hoping! Although I have been doing great the second time around.

    Melody, wow, what an ordeal for you with the port! It never ceases to amaze me how strong we women are. Great news that the Kytril is helping to control your nausea. Everything's better with a happy stomach. :-)

    Hope everyone is having a good week!
  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2007

    Oops on the Taxol thread, it's under "Help Me Make it Through Treatment"..not "Just Diagnosed". Sorry for the mistake!

  • SusieSwan
    SusieSwan Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2007
    Hi Girls,

    I'm hoping they can adjust my meds before the next infusion. My onc is out of the country so I just have the fill-in doctor and will see yet another fill-in doctor before tx #2. I'm just starting to feel a bit better today, not good by any means but at least I don't have constant gag reflex. You could knock me over with a feather and I'm very anxious/weak/heavy chested/headachey/fatigued. Yep, I think that about covers it. Geez, I honestly never thought it would be this bad. I have no idea how I'm going to get in there next week.

    Melody, I heard that the blood return sometimes doesn't happen, like a vacuum on drapes effect. I'd be really upset to have this port and then to have them have to access another vein anyway!

    terry, are you having trouble with the LE? I do travel a lot for work but wasn't going to get one of these. The only time I have tingling/falling asleep is when I sleep on my left side, but after I wake up, it goes back to normal.

    Garnet, I'm going to ask for the Zofran up front as well and hope it works.

    Gracie, I hope you're getting a little relief as well. I'm thinking that "feeling just fine" is too short of memory and as soon as I get use to feeling like this, maybe it won't be so bad.

    Hugs,
    Susan

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