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  • Chowdog
    Chowdog Member Posts: 236
    edited September 2021

    exbrnxgrl, lol, I wish i know what the beast is. I couldn't tell if she was joking or not at first, but when I saw she had only 2 posts, it may be reasonable to assume she wasn't joking.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited September 2021

    Dear BH our Provincial Health Officer has just declared that wearing masks inside apt. building and condo common areas is "highly recommended". Most people only wear masks when mandated so I guess I will be avoiding our elevator again. She is a silly person who loves the media attention but can't decide how to do this health officer thing.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited September 2021

    chowdog,

    Thanks! The only reason I think it has some religious connection is because I think it was mentioned in The Exorcist, a movie I saw when it opened in the mid-1970’s 🤣.

  • Trishyla
    Trishyla Member Posts: 1,005
    edited September 2021

    It's a biblical thing (says the self avowed atheist)

    The mark of the beast is 666. Used in literature and tv and film, mostly horror movies, to denote Satan's minions. Some people take that stuff a little to seriously.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited September 2021

    For cultural and information purposes only (I do not subscribe to this belief):

    "The mark of the beast" is from Revelations, the last book of the Christian Bible, which is about Armageddon or the end of the world. The people who have sided with the evil leader (the beast) and his false prophet have been forced or deluded into taking his mark. The mark is on the forehead and nobody is allowed to buy or sell if they don't have it. In the last big battle they get killed, and the beast gets thrown into the fire. Chapter and verses are: Rev chapter 13 especially verses 16-18; 16:10; 19:19-20.

    I doubt she was joking.

    But wait, the vaccine is not given in the forehead...

  • Elderberry
    Elderberry Member Posts: 993
    edited September 2021

    To All: The Mods sent me an email cautioning me about my language and not name calling.

    So let me say "Sorry" I am quite upset that people might feel I was attacking them personally.

    That was not my intent. I would never call out any of the women on this thread. My comments were a follow-up to the fiction that my fellow Canadians somehow behave better than the MAGA crowds. I wondered what happened. We protest by raising our puny fists in the air and chanting "Hey hey, ho ho, _________ has got to go" Wave around a few signs. We say "sorry" a lot more than we say "eh". I posited that our homegrown anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers were being influenced by a particular right wing American news media.

    My comment was also mainly directed at a fellow Canadian who sent me a link about the protests outside hospitals around the province. She was equally appalled at the nastiness of the protests.

    I won't apologize for calling those that screamed obscenities at health care workers, blocked doors at hospital entrances , slowed down ambulances from getting in and chanted "Lock her up" in reference to Dr B Henry's (our Chief Medical Officer) restrictions by the name I called them.

    But to you all - I apologize if offense was taken. None meant.

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited September 2021

    I take it the Revelations beast believers aren't fans of Harry Potter and his lightening bolt 🌩️ smack in the middle of his forehead.

    I've been thinking a lot about T. S. Eliot lately:

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.





  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2021

    Chowdog - I could see that Twitter might get draining. Think I'll take a break from here first.

    Elderberry - So the Mods are around, but ignoring my messages. Do I need to swear or call them names to get feedback? 😒

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited September 2021

    Thank you all for the explanations of the beast. So I guess I wasn't imagining it when I thought that it had to do with religion and The Exorcist. I am not an atheist but not a Christian either so have not read that Bible.

    There is a candidate, John Cox, who is running to replace Governor Newsom should he be recalled. His campaign ads contrast them as beauty (Newsom) and the beast (Cox). He even campaigned live with a large bear. I also considered that the beast reference might be political 😂.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2021

    Hi all - just thought I’d share this interesting poll result and analysis that came across my news feed

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/05/17/public-trust-in-government-1958-2021/

    Breaking news - Americans don’t trust their government!

    Right now we are at a particularly low point...it does differ across party lines but according to these graphs the trend shifts according to which party the current President belongs to. And the blue team still appears to have pretty low trust right now even though the blue guy is President.

    Why does it belong here? Well I think this lack of trust is a factor in why there’s so much resistance to comply with and accept without question COVID mitigation measures. Also because I don’t feel so alone now 😂😂😂. (I confessed to not trusting the government very much a few pages back)

    If I was in government right now, I’d certainly be thinking about what I should do to improve trust and bring a little more unity.

    Those poll numbers will never be 100% in the USA but I’m sure we can do better than this. It’s not all based on “conspiracy theory”.

  • illimae
    illimae Member Posts: 5,710
    edited September 2021

    Olma, I to have trust issues with government and anyone with lots of power. I used to be more suspicious, then I took a job in state government. This was a huge eye opener. Many of the problems I saw were actually caused by extremely unmotivated employees and very restrictive or complicated policies, not conspiracies.

    For the vaccine hesitant though, I think trust can be earned in a bit more time but not with force.

  • Whirlaway
    Whirlaway Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2021

    Here is an article that some people which allergies to PEG still would be able to get the shot. I have a high sensitivity to PEG and the side effects (from the filler) kicked my butt with both Moderna shots. My reactions were reported but of course I fall in the 1-2 % this happened. I wished I had seen this article sooner to get multiple smaller shots.
    My oncologist was concerned about the side effects after 1st shot, but to be honest, I don't know if he would have given me an exemption.I had a Taxol reaction on my very last Taxol in the last 10 min.


    Scroll down to the info of the allergy doctor. Maybe this is helpful:

    Allergies to vaccine ingredients shouldn't stop patients from getting COVID-19 shots: experts | CBC News

    In any case, with the 2nd shot I went to acupuncture the day before and the day after which helped a bit. At this point I don't think I can manage a booster shot! I have never received a flu shot and can't even remember the last time I had the flu. I have my childhood shots and multiple tetanus shots. I am a minimal-vaxer :) Still wear my masks and social distancing.

  • illimae
    illimae Member Posts: 5,710
    edited September 2021

    Whirlaway, I appreciate the article and am glad you were able to tolerate it.

    In my case, the reaction was so severe and immediate that, I won’t be risking it. At this point my cancer is stable, I feel good and I have no problem using behavioral methods to protect myself and others. Honestly, there’s no good reason to put myself in danger right now.

  • Whirlaway
    Whirlaway Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2021

    I completely understand Illimae!! It's why it is important for those who can get the shot, do so to protect others. I also understand those who live in the boonies, getting the shot may not feel as urgent as to someone who lives in city areas.

    Like I said I will never get a flu shot, no shingles, pneumonia etc. but yes to Tetanus, rabies (if needed) and Covid. I had my doubts but with the new Delta variant I managed to get through both shots. 2 months recovery after the first shot and probably the same with shot no. 2. I somewhere read that the fillers are more concentrated in Moderna (can't find article). I wanted Pfizer but they have ran out that day. Would have not taken Astra Zeneca due to my age.

    I am miffed though, that borders weren't closed earlier so the virus didn't have a chance to mutate as much. Maybe wishful thinking! I am utterly ticked off at the anti-maskers though, yelling and screaming, spitting their droplets. Sigh! Like I said, to those of us who have severe allergies, it is not easy and then there are the ones, like you, with life-threatening allergies which makes it impossible!


  • Chowdog
    Chowdog Member Posts: 236
    edited September 2021

    okay here is my rant. Got on Twitter this morning and saw a bunch public health and infectious disease experts debating about cdc messaging, masks, etc... i am so tired that 18 months in, experts r still debating on social media! We all know experts/scientists may never agree with each other, and with evolving science and data, it's healthy & important to engage debate. However, all this debating on social media platforms, news channels and via opeds are just fueling confusion and distrust among the public. I have seen so many ppl on other platforms like Nextdoor saying so and so expert said this, but this other expert said that and I don't know which one to believe. I wish these experts could have a big private virtual conference and hash out all their differences and come out with unified messages.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited September 2021

    I'm not angry about those standing in the way of ending the pandemic any more. I'm depressed.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2021

    The Mods said they hid the thread because they don't think the pandemic discussion is a priority on a breast cancer board. Please don't tell them anti-vax protesters in Canada were getting in the way of cancer patients getting to their treatments on time.

    It's better for me to reduce my participation on this site altogether.

    Take care.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited September 2021

    Well at least the cats, cats cats and dogs dogs dogs are important enough.

    My cancer centre in Vancouver offers many group activities and I have been connected to a group of women for 6 years and will likely not see a couple of them again because they are dying and covid is preventing get togethers in person.

    Covid is devastating for cancer patients.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2021

    I'm sorry, wrenn.

  • RosieRed
    RosieRed Member Posts: 257
    edited September 2021

    I tried to stay out of this topic, but it personally effecting me and I’m mad. If people had gotten their vaccine (and I know people have medical reasons not to, so I’m not including them) there would be less people in the hospital because that’s part of the reason of getting the vaccine was meant for. Not saying you couldn’t get sick with the vaccine, but you would have a lighter version of COVID and not take up space in a hospital bed.

    My platelet count is only at 19 and my red blood cells are at 2.2. My MO wants me to get a transfusion and platelets in outpatient services today, but there are no beds for me. The COVID unit is full, so they have to use other beds for other patients elsewhere. So instead of getting my transfusions and start to feel better, I’m on a waiting list and sitting by the phone to see if a bed will open up for me.


  • Chowdog
    Chowdog Member Posts: 236
    edited September 2021

    I am disappointed to hear that’s the reason mods removed this thread from active topic. A belovedyoung lady in her 30s from my local support group just passed away, and I have never had the chance of meeting her in person coz of the pandemic.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited September 2021

    Thank you Serenity.

    So sorry Rosie. It is deplorable what they are putting people through.

  • Chowdog
    Chowdog Member Posts: 236
    edited September 2021

    I am sorry, Rosie! Yes, Covid is definitely affecting all ofus, both mentally & physically. The effort to push the narrative of “learn to live with the virus cause it will never go away" is terrifying.

  • Sadiesservant
    Sadiesservant Member Posts: 1,995
    edited September 2021

    I agree Wrenn. This situation is devastating for cancer patients, particularly those with MBC. I haven’t seen my oncologist in person since January 2020. He’s done his best but I would have preferred to have been able to look hi in the eye when I had questions regarding spread to the liver..

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited September 2021

    One of the things my centre does is to visit patients at end of life either in Palliative Care or Hospice and instead the people are dying alone.

    I'm mad again.

  • Elderberry
    Elderberry Member Posts: 993
    edited September 2021

    To All: This is from Frank Bruni's newsletter. It is long but a worthwhile read.

    n logistical, social and economic terms, the first chapter of Covid was certainly the worst. We were totally shut down. We were utterly freaked out. People couldn't work, couldn't see loved ones, couldn't comprehend how so much had changed so fast. There was a makeshift hospital in Central Park. There were ambulance sirens screaming, day and night, throughout cities from coast to coast.

    But in a certain psychological sense, is the current chapter perhaps the most challenging of all? We thought we'd turned the corner, only to learn we hadn't, and we're neither isolated nor liberated. Our marching orders are fluid and feel less like orders than like caveats, nudging us not toward obedience but toward wisdom, which is even harder. We're not being told to suspend all activities as usual, which is a digestible if dire command, but we're being encouraged to suspend or alter many activities, maybe for the next week, maybe for this whole month, maybe not for the following one but maybe again in November, when the mercury dips, we head indoors and Thanksgiving waddles into view.

    I take absolutely no issue with that. I agree with it. But I also recognize that this shifting, shapeless horizon is at war with a whole lot in human nature and a whole lot in the American psyche, and in this instance, I'm not talking about the individual-liberty part.

    I'm talking about the impatience. I'm talking about the certitude and absolutism of the social-media age. We are increasingly a country of either/or, pro/con, virtuous/deplorable, all/nothing. And the pandemic right now can't be squeezed into any dichotomy. Nor will it be hurried to its end.

    It asks that we take fresh stock every few days. That we reshuffle our responses accordingly. It asks us not to be only one way or only the other but to make informed and enlightened decisions dependent on context and to accept that there won't be a eureka moment, when the clouds lift, the waters part and we're free. Instead, with an accretion of those informed and enlightened decisions, we'll proceed, inch by inch, toward a much better but not perfect place.

    There are no red and green lights here. There's just a yellow that flashes … and flashes … and flashes. And that's not a color that people generally — or Americans specifically — respond to all that well.

  • Teedoff
    Teedoff Member Posts: 88
    edited September 2021

    I don't know who Frank Bruni is but what he writes is almost poetic. It rings true as I see things. Just now googled him. Quite an interesting background and career. He sure can write.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited September 2021

    Thank you Elderberry

  • blue22
    blue22 Member Posts: 280
    edited September 2021

    I am skimming through posts here, I don't have time to read through them all.

    Rosie - your post makes me sick to my stomach. No one should have to delay treatment because the hospital beds are full of people who don't trust science and didn't get the vaccine... (I'm not including anyone who has a legitimate reason to not get it). How can someone decide they don't trust the vaccine, but they can take up a hospital bed, and even worse, take that space away from someone who needs it and is following medical advice? It defies logic.

  • Melbo
    Melbo Member Posts: 346
    edited September 2021

    saying discussions about covid are not a priority on these boards is definitely disingenuous at best considering the boards (which I think are great!) about: drinking, dogs, atheism, and feminism to name a few.

    I had an interesting conversation with one of my favorite bartenders. He got covid in March 2020 — he was really sick, but not hospitalized. He regularly gives blood and he said that they had been checking his covid antibodies every time he donated and he didn’t get vaccinated while the numbers were good. But then the Red Cross stopped the test, so he went ahead and got vaccinated since he wouldn’t know if he was still protected or not. The staff at the restaurant were also all masked, even though they weren’t legally required to be. The bartender said that the regular flu (24 hour type) had recently gone through the staff like wildfire, so they decided to mask back up again to prevent another round

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