STEAM ROOM FOR ANGER

All right. I’m done sitting here being silent. I’m tired of you all getting to say how you feel while I feel I have to be a mouse in the background.

You DON’T KNOW ME. I am a human being. I have feelings. I’m tired of hearing the bullying. Yes. That’s what this is. You don’t know the reasons for people not being vaccinated. You don’t know jack squat about anyone but yourselves. How dare you with your discrimination. I honestly can say I’ve never been discriminated against until now. You are all high and mighty, and I get that, but I’m no longer going to be silent. Go ahead, gang up on me if that’s what you need to do. I am done feeling shame for my decision. If there is going to be discussion here, it better to be able to be both sides or I want the moderators to put a stop to this.

I am dying of cancer. Go ahead. Shove your fear and anxiety on me. I’m not afraid of your words. If you don’t like me, I won’t care on the other side.

I am NOT anti vax or anti mask. You do what you want. I will continue what I know in my heart to be right for me no matter what the hell you say.

I am usually one who sits in the background and takes the crap people put out. I’M DONE SITTING SILENT.

If anyone else on this site is afraid to put your decision not to get vaccinated here, please feel free to PM me.

For those who I’ve had great words with who feel they can no longer talk to me, so be it. I am here for support. You are the most unsupportive group of women I’ve ever met.

Do you notice you’ve silenced women who don’t want to speak their truth?

Yes, I can just stop looking at this particular forum, but why should I have to?

May the bullying begin. It will bounce off me.

KBL - Who silenced you? I recall you wanted to silence others like me. Can't play the cancer card here. You're not the only one dying of cancer. No one asked you your reasons for what you're doing or not doing. When I considered not getting the second dose due to the severe reaction I had from the first, I didn't take it personally when people called for everyone to get vaccinated. In fact we've mentioned recently that there are people who can't get vaccinated for valid medical reasons. If you're trying to bully me, please know it won't work. I've had my fill of bullies for a lifetime. Take it easy.

This pandemic is probably one of the most unique events in human history, I don't think we've had anything like it before. Sure, we've had deadlier pandemics, but we didn't have mRNA vaccines in less than one year after an emerging disease, add to the that the internet, we're uniquely positioned for a major sh!tstorm that our collective brains didn't have enough time to adapt. We have live front row seat to changing scientific data that is fueling doubts, skepticism and wild conspiracy theories. I blame the education system for not teaching kids how scientific method works.

My local conservative government (Ontario, Canada) has locked us down for a total of 10 months in the last 18 months and if the cases go up, we risk going into another lockdown. So from my perspective if the unvaxxed are fueling this latest wave, I am angry at them. I don't want to be locked up again, it infringes on my freedom. I'm done with that. I don't care how others prefer to conduct themselves as long as it doesn't impact me. I just don't want their actions to lead to another lockdown and delays in critical care. I'm long overdue for my pap test, but things are not normal and I kept telling myself why risk in the middle of this wave. So I wait for one wave to end only for the next one to start two weeks later. I bet there are millions like me who have postponed preventative care all this time.

In Canada at least, the vaxxed are the majority, so it may seem we are louder, but we just have the numbers (close to 74%). Of course unvaxxed should leave their house and go to essential places and emergency care and meet each other, but gyms, concerts and restaurants are not essential. And I honestly think, at least here, it's strongly in the interest of businesses to implement some kind of passport. I hear a lot from people that they avoid indoor places until there is a vaccine pass in place. Some private businesses even implemented it on their own initiative. Small business have suffered enough, dragging on this pandemic with wave after wave, variant after variant is the worst thing that can happen to business, jobs, etc.

KBL I'm sorry you feel that you are being bullied or ganged up on. Everyone has the right to an opinion. However, the science concerning Covid vaccination is very clear. At present it appears to be our only way out of the pandemic. I wish it were otherwise.

Those who refuse to be vaccinated for anything other than medical reasons are putting themselves and others in danger. Hospitals are under pressure, doctors and nurses are risking their lives looking after Covid patients, resources are stretched to the limit and vital surgeries/treatments are being cancelled as the number of Covid infections rise again. Many of us have been vaccinated in order to protect not only ourselves, but to protect others.

I hope you will reconsider your stance, cancer is bad enough without the additional misery of Covid to cope with.

Please keep yourself safe.

I feel it is something like discrimination to be told, "Stay home if you're scared" or "Stay home if you are high risk." I waited so many months for a vaccine that I thought would save us all from this mess, and am so disappointed that because so many people rejected it, we are all still in this mess. Higher-risk folks are still stuck at home, and it's not fair to be stuck at home just because one had the misfortune to get cancer or another condition. One can choose to get a vaccine or not, but one cannot choose whether to have a high-risk condition. And why can't people even wear a little mask to help their neighbor?

For the record, I do not advocate denying anyone care, and I do not hate people like my own relative who thinks he does not need the vaccine. I worry about him, and I am frustrated when I see preventable illness and death, while here I am enduring so much to stay alive.

This is the introductory sentence to this thread, when Sas-Schatzi launched it in 2017:

"This thread is meant to be for RANTS and RANTING. Then Rant again. We need a place to simply get rid of the anger. Write it here. Unleash it all. Get it out. This isn't meant for the Stupid comments(great thread). This is for the gut wrenching, tell them off anger."

I've had my rant. It was directed at no one specifically, especially no one specifically on BCO.

KBL, you're welcome to your rant as well. I don't share your opinions, but you're welcome to post them.

While we're at it, let's talk about how there is now a booster because the vaccine doesn't last. Vaccinated have gotten COVID as well. They can also give it to other vaccinated and unvaccinated people. You can tell me the numbers are totally different, but if one vaccinated person gives it to your vaccinated teenager and your teenager dies, who do you blame then?

We're in a pandemic. It's not my business to know, but there are businesses who will need to know one's vaccination status. Airlines, employers, concert venues, ...

Vaccinated people are tired of the anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers prolonging the pandemic. That's frustration with wishful thinking to want them to stay home. Nobody thinks that will happen. But limiting access to vaccinated for non-essential services limits the spread.

When medical resources are limited, triage occurs. The data show that the unvaccinated have a worse outcome than the vaccinated. They consume more resources, but vaccination status will only be one of the factors. Cancer hasn't listened when I told it to shove off, but I was able to get vaccinated and I still wear a mask.

"You are the most unsupportive group of women I've ever met." - KBL

☝️That's not nice.

The majority of people support all public health measures to end the pandemic.

And this represents "discrimination of the highest order and segregation".

Needing multiple doses is not new in the vaccine world.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective, so people fully vaccinated have become infected. But they are much less likely to experience severe symptoms including death. They are also faster at clearing the virus which slows spread.

If those teens die, I'll blame the people who ignored implementing and following the public health measures to beat the pandemic. Seems to be a lot of people.

KBL,

It’s no secret that the vaccines are not perfect. There was no expectation it would be as we understand this from the flu vaccine for example. This is simply a matter of the greater good. The numbers are quite different but that’s why you need to understand why the numbers matter. They speak to how we’re doing as a country not how individuals are affected. It is also not a blame game but those cold hard figures point to a common source who are undeniably unvaccinated. That doesn’t mean the scenario you outlined can’t happen but reality is that those cases are exceptions. Most of us are quite aware of that and we accept that there is no iron clad guarantee. We are simply doing the best we can to slow this thing down not only for ourselves but for the greater good. As a famous doctor once said, “I can’t explain to you why it’s important to care about other people.” It’s about caring beyond yourself.

In BC unvaccinated individuals are hospitalized at 17 times higher the rate of vaccinated. Most vaccinated people, if they do catch Covid, even the new delta variant, have a more mild course of disease & do not need hospitalization.

Taking up hospital space, bumping surgeries, cancelling heart procedures, clogging up the CT scanners...it's all irresponsible when it's preventable.

BC is soon going to require vaccine passports to enter non essential indoor public spaces & I think that's great.

I still say take the vaccine or elect to seclude yourself from putting members of society at risk, or putting yourself at risk and potentially taking up hospital space. That's your choice.

Typhoid Mary was real ; just like her, covid spreaders should not be allowed go around infecting people.

As an immunocompromised person, even though I'm vaccinated, it's possible that I have little to no immunity as my immune system is not working properly. I signed a DNR/DNI at the outbreak of covid because with my lung met, a severe lung infection would likely be hopeless. I have no problem saying unvaccinated people should stay tf away from me. Take your own risk but don't put others at risk.

And nothing about this is bullying or discrimination. This is public health and safety.

I get it is hard when your opinion is not widely supported in a group. It's tough, but it's not bullying when others express their opinion. Yours if just different. I think we need to not take everything personally.

I think I need an ivermectin, hydroxychloroqine, oleandrin, bleach cocktail! Just kidding of course 😉 but I think many of us are following the science and the stats that are reported daily. I find it hard to argue with that.

To say I don’t care says that you know me. Once again, no one knows me or my situation.

KBL,

Get the vaccine or don’t get it but don’t call it discriminatory if you don’t. You will simply have to understand that most here do not share your opinion. If public institutions and private businesses make rules that prevent the unvaccinated from doing certain things for the greater good then those who are unvaccinated have to live with the consequences of that decision. Science based reality based on what is presently known. Nothing discriminatory about it!