MBC and dating/new relationships
I could not find existing threads on this topic - please don't tell me I am the only one who is thinking about it. I am not dead yet (and may not be so for many years) and I do not want to live the remainder of my life single. I posted it in MBC forum as I feel this challenge is unique - I remember vividly frustration about wearing a wig and a breast prosthesis when thinking about dating- then by the time I had reconstruction I was unfazed by different shape /feel /look of one of the beasts as it was just a part of me I got used to - may be some of men shrieked at it but I have not noticed it to be so and many have not - it was a normal life. Now the challenge is different... Drastically shortened life expectancy , treatment for life etc. I am on a dating site after a recent separation but my photo is closed and my aim says "friends" as I really do not feel I am in position to start a relationship now. I am not looking for daring/casual sex , I would like a relationship. I feel like a fraudster though when someone appears inrerested because I know I have info which would have changed my take on a person if I was on receiving end of it but on another hand I fo not feel like disclosing info to all parties from the start.
Or is it just me mad enough to think about it with the recent diagnosis ? It appears to be the bane of my life - first diagnosis was a year after the end of 12 year relationship and this one right at the end of another 6 year one ; just at the times when I would have loved to have someone who loves me and who I love next to me and at the time when I was gleefully anticipating dating. When I was diagnosed the first time my main hurt was not cancer but realisation that dating and other relationships were not going to happen for a year or two if ever ...
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Hi Anotherone,
I completely understand your sentiments on this topic.
I feel like there is NO way any man (or woman) would want to be in a serious and intimate relationship with me.
I get hit on a lot because I am very friendly and open and am told have a "warmth" about me. So I have no trouble getting dates.
HOWEVER I do not have the libido that I used to. This is totally ramped down with the combo of the lupron, letrozole and now lexapro. The 3 deadly libido L's! HA!
I hope this isn't too much TMI but I did have sex with someone a couple weekends ago. And afterwards, he told me that he was once in love with me, but no longer is. That I missed my chance when we first got together 5 years ago and then I rejected him. This is true. However, his timing felt shitty. It WAS shitty! I am currently not speaking to him because I am pissed off.
Oddly, there are a couple men that know about my diagnosis and still want to date! One of them is one of exercise trainers. I am surprised that he is into me. Maybe he seems some strength and resiliency. He does say quite a lot, "We can be gone in a flash! Let's enjoy now." I can really appreciate this, so so so very much.
Dating sites are too uncomfortable for me. I tried since my diagnosis but it felt too hard. I met someone on a dating site and thought it was going so well. I decided to disclose my health stuff on our 5th date. The bizarre thing was that, right before I disclosed...HE disclosed that he was looking to meet an American woman so he could become a US citizen. He was Turkish. THAT was his m.o.!!! I was already on track to share my big story and couldn't stop the train from continuing along the tracks and it came tumbling out. He very quickly rejected me and acted as if I had Ebola or something incredibly infectious. It was HORRIBLE! I cried because I was so pissed! Mostly pissed at myself for not "seeing the signs" and not being able to stop and reject him first because he was on the hunt!
Dating is hard MBC or no MBC. My bff is looking to have a mastectomy this winter because she was recently diagnosed with DCIS. She is dating (online) and is very anxious to share this news with guys she is meeting. She feels like, "who would want to deal with this???" I get it!
I guess I would say that there are people out there who are comfortable with cancer. There are people out there that are incredibly uncomfortable with it.
I don't foresee myself getting married anytime soon and my ability to procreate was taken from me with this disease.
It is one big WTF situation.
I simply try to accept and embrance love and affection when it is available. I do get pissed off about it all.
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I am so glad you started this topic! I have neglected my love life for many years - was single & happy at first but then I just buried myself in work & family issues and never took time for myself. When I started losing weight and taking better care of myself in 2017, I had thoughts of dating again. Then found out I had cancer : (
But now, I have that "I better live life before its gone" attitude. Except I have no idea where or how to meet someone.
I did use dating sites years ago and it was not so fulfilling. And yes, I have that "damaged goods" feeling due to this disease. Even though I am older and older men (some) tend to be more understanding because hey, they have their own problems, it still feels like I have more baggage than the average woman my age. Terminal illness, monthly trips to the cancer center, possible insurance problems/expenses...
I have even thought about trying to meet a fellow cancer sufferer. I really did google to see if there was a dating site just for cancer people, lol. I did not find one, but maybe I should start my own.
I know I could find someone just to have sex with, hey, as women we all know that is not difficult to find. But...I want companionship. Someone who shares my interests, etc. Not sure yet what to do about it. My kid told me about an app that is supposed to be less hookup-ish than Tinder....I haven't checked it out. My younger brother is early 50s he met a nice girl on Match.com. They've been dating almost 2 years. Maybe I should try it. I keep hoping I will meet someone "organically" without resorting to apps. But I need to put myself in the right places for that to happen. Supposedly people meet at the grocery store...
As you can see, I have no answers about disclosing or not disclosing or anything else.
It might be fun to just go out with someone "for practice" in my case and not say anything and not take it seriously. But if I want to be long term with someone, eventually I would have to share the diagnosis.
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I’m in the same boat, ladies. I don’t even remember the last time I was out on a date. I totally feel like damaged goods. I think it’s going to be tough to find someone who is ok with dating someone with a terminal disease. With everything, I have a desire to have a relationship but I seriously lack the motivation.
I can’t help but think of down the road, I’ll likely end up in a home because there is no spouse or family to take care of me when I can’t do it. Super crappy but it is what it is.
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Hi,
I’m so glad we got this conversation started. I haven’t dated since my MBC diagnosis 5 years ago. I’m in my 50’s but look younger. I know I could find a man but at what time do we disclose? Blurt it all out on first date or wait until it seems they are falling for you and then hit them with it? Many men are already widowed so I discount them right away as they wouldn’t want to go through another heartbreak would they? Then of course it’s the constant side effect of meds plus numerous hospital visits. Would a man want to take on the possibility of having to care for me at some stage? I really think there should be a dating site for cancer patients. I’m in the UK and I can’t find one. So many men have prostate cancer and thus sometimes renders them impotent, They too probably feel the same as we do, and some of them must be single. It’s not about sex as a one nighter with no strings isn’t hard to find, it’s the companionship caring relationship that I don’t feel men would want to invest in once they know about the MBC. I had counselling a few years ago and he said that maybe a man would cherish a few good years with a lovely woman with MBC , that it would be worth it.
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oooh so glad I am not the only freak thinking about it.
Philly , of course it is not TMI - we discuss how we die and how we poop here - how we f... is less tabu than that ! You can be happy that the guy in question got revenge and is not hurt anymore I suppose - you are quits now. Hope you have liked sex at least or with your medication you have not ? Reading what you ladies written helped me to see the answer. If I really liked someone I probably would not have minded that person being in our position. As quite often life plays jokes with us and who was healthy becomes not and who was rich becomes poor and vice versa so going for traits of character is the answer. Philly , I can relate to being angry with myself for not seeing the signs - I think anybody who went through dating sites and actually just life been in that position. You do not need sites though if you have suitors - lucky you , hope you like them
. The only real problem with you re dating as it seems is not MBC but sex drive - sorry can not be of any help as I am not on any antihormonals , I am sure something can be done about it - at the end of the day getting with someone for whom sex is not on the agenda either is an option.
Olma , I went out "for practice "a lot before - I even had an attempt at sex with someone I have met only once before in a wig and with prosthesis in the middle of chemo - if you are interested on it that would be good but if not really then better to be honest with yourself that that is not your cup of tea , otherwise just disappointments and heartbreaks will happen. What you written resonates a lot , why don't you try a dating site just at the background like a spare Avenue while camping at the grosses store ?:) Philly , I reckon once your friend will get used to herself the way she is or have reconstruction she will become ok with men as well.
Finallyoverit - people get in a care home whether they have children and spouses or not as very often those either are not willing to sacrifice their lives to care for them quite understandably u on many occasions it would be just impossible even with the best will. You may see yourself as damaged goods but all of us and them are to a degree - hurting backs , excess weight, fiery temper , not much money , some old hurt feelings - it is everywhere. Does not mean you can not find something for you and make someone happy
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Mermaid , I am in the UK as well and I looked for sites like that as well - have not found any. I think it is like with any other downside that we have - some will not mind , some will. There people who are overweight kn happy relationships , there are people with disabilities in happy relationships, anything can happen.
When to disclose - I think it will be like with primary diagnosis. First I was thinking about it and then it became part of me as anything else and discussing it became very person and occasion specific the same as anything else. To some I told pretty much as we stated speaking because topic of conversation surfaced somehow ; to some I never told even after having sex with them and they did not ask ; some did ask and I said - all depends. What matters is that I was not perceiving it as a handicap - hope with mbc ot will happen similarly. Kind of of course it will be handicap but it will be part of me as anything else rather than one big issue aside. .
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Hi, for me this has been among the most difficult issues following the diagnosis. I don't see myself going on online dating,( that would be the only way for me to meet men). I feel that I don't have much to offer at the moment and who is going to want to invest in a relationship with somebody that has such a poor prognosis? I always loved being in relationships and really miss having a partner, going on dates, sex... I have a lot of grief thinking that I will provably will be alone until I'm gone
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Funny, I was talking about dating in general with meetup peeps last night. I’m 54, the other ladies were slightly younger than me but all had difficulty finding a date. I had a real hang up about cancer at first but a bit after a year with this diagnosis I went online. I met one guy but we didn’t pursue anything because I was called interstate for my parent. Then I met a guy who was morbidly +++ obese, we were both doing low carb and he lived near a lovely beach, which I would have enjoyed hanging out at. I’m on disability here in Oz, and that has always been difficult explaining why I don’t work. Anyway on second date he was trying to guess what was wrong with me and said “well it’s not cancer” and I said yes. I told him and we discussed it, he wasn’t put off. On third date I told him I wasn’t looking for someone to take care of me, I would break it off if it got to that point. He was surprised and said what if a guy wanted to look after you? I said no, I don’t want that. Anyway we didn’t go out again but I was always surprised and pleased at his reaction. Later I had a mastectomy and radiotherapy, no recon. Ive had sex a few times with an old “friends with benefits” and didnt feel uncomfortable at all, despite the mess my chest is! He obviously saw it but just concentrated on the remaining breast.
I haven’t dated since but I’ve just decided that I’m comfortable with my chest and if a bloke I’m interested in isn’t then that is his problem, we aren’t a match. As had been said, most men have their own health problems when they reach middle age, if they’re not mature enough to accept my health problems I’m not interested in them! Before cancer I did go out with a younger guy who had prostate cancer who was upfront about it the first time we spoke. He couldn’t get an erection despite taking medication and my personal attention. I think that’s a much bigger problem than what we face. And yes, I’m post menopausal on an AI so I am very tender and intercourse is painful, but there are other activities that are certainly pleasurable 😉.
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bella , good to hear AIs is not a necessarily a sentence to chastity !
Vilma, dating and sex should certainly be possible exactly the same as if you did not have an MBC - why not? It is a LTR that is an issue , I agree.. Your post is so sad I felt like crying at reading it and I am sending you a virtual hug. I am sure there are men in your position as well , please feel it is possible to find them xx
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Bella, I admire your courage. People always comment about how strong and courageous I'm, working full time, taking care of things, being able ,most of the time, not to continuously focus on my diagnosis. The one area that I'm a real chicken is dating. First cancer diagnosis made me feel more insecure, even though I had only a lumpectomy, my hair never grew up full again, is very thin and you can see my scalp. But still I continued dating after that. This time after mbc I'm not sure I could handle rejection anymore. I also never loved the idea of just dating, I always really wanted to be in a committed relationship. Reading yours and anotherone words I'm thinking that maybe I need to try to get out of the "dream" of a long term relationship and at least date. By the way, I'm also 54 y/o
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Vilma , apart from dating and even more than dating I believe making friends with fellow lonely or not in a great place for relationship men and just spend time together/talk online or in real world/ cheer each other up , offer each other company to do things together.
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Anotherone, thank you for caring. It is a hard subject for me. After I separated from my husband (before BC). I felt confident and excited about dating, it came easy, I wish I could feel like that now. Today it feels like a chore. I'm not lonely, at work I'm with people all day and two of my kids are still living at home. I just miss the male presence. I may try to go back online and see if I dare to take the next step. Live as long as I'm alive
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absolutely , with our limited life span we should be having less fear of anything else but cancer , not more !
Yes I meant lonely =missing male presence.
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I appreciate everyone sharing their feelings and thoughts. It's giving me courage and motivation!
Philly found a companionable and accepting guy who she likes to spend time with - there is hope! Also wanted to say that I feel her warm personality coming through even in her forum posts. So whoever told you that, I agree!
No life definitely is not over. I don't relish the thought of not living fully in whatever time I have...living one day at a time never made as much sense as it does now.
I have found a lot of comfort and courage in Stephen Jay Gould's essay "The median is not the message". And this quote from it may apply to this topic:
"It has become, in my view, a bit too trendy to regard the acceptance of death as something tantamount to intrinsic dignity. Of course I agree with the preacher of Ecclesiastes that there is a time to love and a time to die - and when my skein runs out I hope to face the end calmly and in my own way. For most situations, however, I prefer the more martial view that death is the ultimate enemy - and I find nothing reproachable in those who rage mightily against the dying of the light."
A time to love and a time to die. We ain't dead yet ladies!
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I started crying at reading this. Well said whoever said it first 😋. Describes perfectly well how I feel. Hopefully after it will become clearer what is happening ( diagnosed just 3 months ago) and I have distances myself from my relationship breakdown I will find someone to love. I even think about a thread lift so O definitely feel alive
. Although I have done my usual HIIT runs today which I have not done since June when my partner found good reason to stop them and it was scary- instead of top speed run from about half of the distances I could barely place one foot in front of another. Fitness drops soooooo quickly it is scary. I just hope I will be able to get rid of chemo for good and I will recover ... I do not even feel bad so just with running I realised how bad it was.. My heart goes off to you ladies who have to stay on chemo till the end of lives - it is mind boggling to think about it, if only I could help somehow...
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So I am on a dating site with " friends" as an aim on my profile talking to people.
During conversation I told a couple of them about diagnosis and so on. One person responded disclosing that he has MS , had his immune system rebooted a few years ago and had all his large bowel removed due to ulcerative colitis. While on my profile there is a warning that I do not think I am up to a relationship due to recent separation and some other factors there is nothing like that on his profile - looking for a relationship, all sounds completely normal. As it is his health issues may well have larger impact on day to day life than mine... This is an example of how we are not the only ones with a damage and that others do not necessarily advise on their health issues in profiles- it is personal info after all and nobody would be surprised if someone did not disclose let's say diabetes immediately- but with diabetes there are degrees of impairment and it can kill the same as with mbc with the only difference that MBC is likely to kill...
Another guy I am speaking to has issues with his back due to which he is off work - very common amongst men. While it may seem less serious being off work with unknown future is a very serious implication so i bet he feels like damaged goods as well.
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been on a dating site properly for a while. Met some men , speaking to some, have been meeting someone for about a month about twice a week - do not feel like proceeding with romantic relationship now but sure why - may be I do not like him enough , may be he is not that good a match for me , may be I am not over ex(well that one is for sure , just do not know to which degree), may be I just need to feel I know the person for it ! (He knows about diagnosis, someone else I have been speaking to knows as well).
Let's say normal dating trials and tribulations which is great considering what board we are on..
Wish me to get it even better - find someone I am happy with ! Hope I will sort my chemo induced menopause's consequences by then 😏.
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Disappointed nobody else added to this thread - I guess there are not many of us in this position..
Today one of my dates got back to me saying he hopes to see me again - this is the third one and all of them know about my diagnosis and all of them are interesting people chosen by me as viable candidates, very different as well.
So if you would like to date but are afraid of men's reactions - read the above. If I can do it you can.
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progress report - after chemo in menopause (on HRT) I can still function well in bedroom ! My heart goes off to the ladies who have it more difficult due to medication , just wanted to say it for the benefit of those like me - for whom it is important and possible - don't give up. 😘
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I just read through this thread and honestly, had forgotten I had posted on it a year ago. Not sure if I just didn’t want to admit it or if it’s truly how I felt at the time, but I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to become involved in a relationship. Sure, the companionship would be nice, but with all of the drugs they have me on, I have absolutely no desire and actually a disdain towards intimacy. I guess I’m alone in that feeling, and that’s ok. I’m doing fine now and if you didn’t know, you wouldn’t expect MBC by looking at me. Just trying to get through the everyday of MBC is exhausting enough. I can’t even imagine putting the stress of a relationship on top of it. All my best to those of you looking; I think I’ll sit this one out and stay single
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