X-ray question due to cough, Called back for Mammogram
Hi,
I was called to redo my Mammogram (which was done last week) which they believe could be tissue which is why they want to do it again just to make sure.
I will give a back story, but...if I had a chest x-ray in August for a cough but let's assume worst case breast cancer spread to lungs don't x-rays pick these things up?
After I got that call for the mammogram I checked my breasts and sure enough I do feel a lump on one of them. I will admit that doing a breast check slipped from me in the past 2-4 months but I was checking prior to that regularly. Of course now I am freaked out but I don't feel it anywhere beyond my one breast. It could be a benign tumor or cyst for all I know but if I did not have the cough I wouldn't be freaking out. A cough is not good if I end up getting bad results from what I have read.
Let me give some more background. The last time by OBGYN did a breast check on me was April 2019. So I feel better that assuming that if there could have been an issue it was not there at that time (at least the lump). My OBGYN retired soon after that appointment so I didn't go to a doctor for a check for 2020 for that as of yet but I did for other things.
Come November-December 2019 (trying to remember exactly when) I had a cough. I don't recall taking medication. Just that I didn't need to take any but was given an inhaler to help me not cough by a clinic doctor. My family doctor said it could possibly be the deviated septum he discovered I had when he looked at me as well that I didn't know about. Anyway, the inhaler helped and I stopped using it after some time. Cough stopped completely as well.
Now I did have a cough which was on and off for about 2-3 months recently before calling my doctor late July. I would like to say I thought it may have been due to my environment, being inside the house (after I cleared some dust recently it stopped for a bit), maybe new allergy and I also thought it was a stress cough. I was under stress beginning of January close to cough time and when the stress was lifted off of me by someone else my cough instantly stopped/lessened. It did not feel like a cold cough. Dealing with something else after that and I thought stress may have brought the cough back again. I have the cough on an off still.
Anyway the doctor sent me for a chest x-ray when I went to him and nothing was found to explain the cough which is why I am asking that question. My follow up appointment with results was August 2020 for that. It was assumed that it could be postnasal but I am waiting for a referral to a respirologist so they could at least look into that further. While there he told me I should take a mammogram because it was time (having nothing to do with the cough). I think it has been about 2 years since my last mammogram. I need to go back and check with the doctor's office on some stuff with timeline.
So I did the mammogram last week as mentioned and I am trying not to freak out.
I am hoping my cough and this are not related but it seems so coincidental. Without actual results again I won't know but I am trying not to freak out and expect the worst right now but that is where my brain is going. Breast cancer spread to the lungs which doesn't have a good survival rate.
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Whoa, you are sure jumping the gun here.
Taking a on-and-off health issue, a cough, connecting it to a callback after a mammogram, and coming to the conclusion that you have breast cancer and lung mets and poor odds of survival.... well, let's just say that's very creative thinking.
About 10% of mammograms result in a callback. Approx. 95% of callbacks turn out to not be cancer. Of all breast cancers that are diagnosed, only 5%-6% are Stage IV de novo, i.e. metastatic at time of diagnosis. So the likelihood that you have breast cancer and it is already metastatic and more specifically, that it's in your lungs, is extremely small - a small fraction of a percent.How old are you? Did you get a copy of the mammogram report which explains the reason for the callback? When is you callback scheduled?
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I am 46 and I didn't get a copy yet. I was called on Friday and redo on mammogram Monday (today).
Yes. Freaked out more like it but your response puts me more at ease. Thank you for that and for the support I was also looking for. That means a lot. I am afraid of being part of that smaller statistic. And putting 2 and 2 together, well... I concluded negatively but where the mind is going.
I could have said more like I had itchy breasts recently one time which is unusual and they felt swollen about a week ago one time but I know that can also be for something benign. The truth is I was better off not searching for stuff online. And my life flashed in front of my eyes. I have been upset thinking of worse case.
My post was focused on a chest x-ray picking anything up in lungs as well prior to any mammogram.
Trying to stay positive which I usually am but my unexplained cough has me concerned.
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nikitapunch, I understood what your question was, but I wasn't going to get into the diagnosis of lung mets and the role of x-rays with someone who simply has a cough and a callback on a mammogram. You are already going down the rabbit hole on this one and I'm not going to aid and abet.
At your age, you are almost certainly in perimenopause, which is the prime time for the development of cysts. So the lump you feel is more likely to be a cyst than anything serious. Hopefully that's the case.
As for the unexplained cough, if 9 months ago you used an inhaler and the cough completely went away, one possibility is bronchitis, which has a tendency to come back over and over again after you have it once. I had bronchitis many years ago - it took quite a while to get rid of it (I was on an inhaler for several months), and for the next 2-3 years any time I got the slightest bit of a cold, it immediately moved into my lungs and caused a cough. Or it could be the deviated septum. If you google "chronic cough" you'll find a long list of possible causes, none of which are particularly serious. Lung cancer is the least likely and way at the bottom of the list. And a cough related to lung cancer is not going to come and go as yours has been doing. It will become painful and get progressively worse.
On the coughing issue, you are jumping from A straight to Z against all evidence and logical reasoning.
On the breast issue, you are jumping from A straight to Z with no reason since you don't even know why you've been called back.
Two far fetched possibilities, and then you are combining the two to come up with another even more far fetched possibility.
Hope your recall goes well today. And even if it didn't and you are called back for a biopsy, before you start thinking that this is proof that the worst is likely, the thing to know is that most biopsies - 75% - turn out to be benign. Most biopsies are recommended to rule out cancer, not because cancer is expected to be found.
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Nikitapunch - If it is any help re your question about what might show up on a chest x-ray, I had a large tumor in my left breast (thought it was old fibroadenoma at the time) and got a chest x-ray due to coughing up a small amount of blood. I had had what seemed like the flu and then resolved, but then I developed the chest and cough symptoms a little later. The standard chest x-ray I got at a walk-in clinic did not show any tumor. It only showed a "shadow" on my lower left lung, so they gave me some anitbiotics that cleared up my cough problem. They assumed that my only problem was something like a flu that had become bronchitis or pneumonia.
Take things one step at a time and don't assume anything. Best of luck to you!
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nikitapunch, how did the mammogram callback go today?
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Hi Beesie,
Your post was very educating to me and you obviously have a lot of experience. Not having that knowledge I will admit urked me and yes I will admit I was jumping to conclusions. I didn't know there was a prime time for the development of cysts.
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I hadn't slept well the day before and it caught up to me and I didn't get back online when I had planned to.
So going into the mammogram I told the technician about my unexplained cough (that it comes and goes) and was told that was good and I asked which breast they were checking. I was told the recheck was for my left breast. The lump I mentioned I found after they called me was on the right breast. I didn't catch the area on my left breast which they wanted to focus on but the left breast felt dense to me when I felt it there and not lumpy like the left breast. So of course I was more worried and thinking why they didn't mention anything about the right breast. The lump I know was not there before.I was reassured to not worry and there were at least another 6-8 women that day coming back in for the exact same thing and I was told that it didn't look like anything serious by the technician before I was rechecked.
So they redid my left breast only on the mammogram and then she added a sticker to my right breast where I had found the lump. She went to the radiologist and then I was told to wait for an ultrasound next which apparently is routine. They did the ultrasound on both and then they checked again with the radiologist and came back and said that I don't need to worry about anything and that results will go to my doctor in the next days.
BIG relief. I didn't realize they could tell me on the spot because in Canada where I am from they usually reserve saying anything until a report would go to the doctor but perhaps with these types of ultrasounds they have to say something.
So good news for me but I really emphasize with anyone who has been given a bad diagnosis because it may feel like the end of the world.
I really need to have a good conversation with my doctor about my results and get more educated by them as well with what to look for etc.
The one thing coming out of this experience that bothered me was the fact that I didn't notice the area on my left breast after I was asked to come back.
So my next question, is there a good resource on breast checks and what to look for?
I am going to make sure I am consistent from now on because I slipped the past 2-4 months but I was using 2 fingers and pressing on my breast when I was doing it, going around the breast and up to the armpit area. I asked my doctor in the past if I find something what will it feel like and he showed me his knuckle. I guess it had to be hard.
I know I can go online and get many resources but is there a resource that is very specific and really detailed for breast checks?
The fact that I missed an area on the other breast after I was told there was a concern bothers me. That means I could miss something in the future too.
Thank you so much. Regardless of how I felt, jumping to conclusions the fact that you were so prompt in answering my questions/concerns was a big support. I know I am not the only one to freak out in this forum.
Virtual hugs.
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Hi ThreeTree,
Thank you. I am sorry to hear that they missed something very important on your chest x-ray.
I hope things have turned out okay for you or will turn out well for you.
Things turned out okay for me thankfully and when I asked the technician about the chest x-ray and not being told anything I was told that the fact that the chest x-ray didn't show anything was good.
But if they are looking for something else I can see possibly where something could be missed and in your case seeing something confirmed apparently that all you needed was antibiotics even though it was something else there as well. Mistakes and misses can happen. That is what I was afraid of.
Good luck to you and thanks again.
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nikitapunch, I'm glad everything went well with your callback. I'm in Canada too and I've had more callbacks than I can count. It's usually the process with a callback that the Radiologist looks at the imaging immediately and you are told whether everything is good or whether more imaging or a biopsy is necessary.
To your concern that you didn't notice anything about your left breast and your question about what to look for, there's really no answer. It's very possible that what was seen on your original left breast mammogram wasn't actually anything - many callbacks are caused by lack of clarity of the imaging or because the breast was squished in the mammogram machine in a way that caused the breast tissue to look distorted on the mammogram image. With a redo of the mammogram and a magnified view, the Radiologist realizes that there is nothing there. That could be what happened in your case.
There also are several signs that could possibly indicate breast cancer that are impossible to feel (with a breast self-exam) but that a Radiologist would see on imaging and want to check into. Many women believe that all breast cancer forms as a lump so if you do breast self exams, you'll find anything that develops. Well, some breast cancers form as a lump - but imaging can often find small lumps (from about 5mm in size) that are too small to feel with a breast self-exam, particularly if the lump is deep in the breast tissue or near the chest wall. Sometimes a tiny lump is even too small to be seen on imaging, but it's large enough to cause a small distortion of the breast tissue - and the distortion is what the Radiologist sees that alerts him/her to investigate further. And some types of breast cancer don't form as lumps. This true of DCIS (in most cases), which is a pre-invasive diagnosis, and ILC (invasive lobular cancer). DCIS causes the development of calcifications, tiny sand-like specs that show up on the mammogram - those could never be felt. ILC tends to cause thickening, which can be difficult to notice early on as the cancer develops because so many of us (more than 1/2 of all women) have fibrocystic breasts that regularly feel thick and lumpy and change with our cycles.
So unfortunately even doing regular breast self-exams, you can miss something. Most cancers are found through screening, not through breast self-exams. I've found lots of lumps over the years - all of which turned out to be harmless fibroadenomas and harmless cysts - but I never found my breast cancer because it formed in a way that wasn't palpable.
Glad that your breasts are good. And I hope that you get that cough diagnosed and resolved!
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Hi Beesie,
Wow. Well that is an eye opener. I thought most issues were found by someone doing a breast check and alerting their doctor. Good to know. I guess I can do the best I can checking and taking routine tests when needed and cross my fingers that all is well each time and if not it is caught early enough.
In Canada as you know they recommend mammograms every 2-3 years depending on the age. That seems too long for me.
Yes. This cough has to be diagnosed. I have never had an issue before something not being diagnosed but it will take some time before I can see a respirologist to figure it out.
I hope all is okay for you as well.
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Nikitapunch - You are quite welcome. Real glad to hear that things are essentially fine for you. My mother-n-law had an unexplained cough for decades and no one ever knew what it was from. She had been a former smoker, but it had been years and years since she smoked that she developed the cough. It never was diagnosed as anything in particular. Re my own situation, I am fine for now. I wound up going through neoadjuvant chemo, surgery, radiation, and now an aromatase inhibitor, but I'm here and chugging along. We shall see.
Yes, I agree, if they are not looking for something specific on an x-ray, it's likely and understandable that it would be missed. My complaint at the clinic was about the cough and they were looking for something like pneumonia, so not surprised they didn't see the tumor. I don't even know if the kind of x-rays they do for pneumonia and bronchitis even show a lot of other things. I really don't know anything about it all, but I do know that different types of x-rays and scans pick up certain things and not others.
Again, all the best and I'm so glad that things are working out for you.
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nikita - It is now recommended that former smokers have a low dose CT scan to access the damage to our lungs. Because it's "low dose", the radiation is minimal. I'm glad to say I'm mostly clear. You might want to discuss this with your docs. It might solve the cough mystery.
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My MO had me get a non-contrast chest CT before surgery since I smoked for years. My lungs were more or less fine, just a few grubby spots here and there that she said we're pretty normal for my age.
Finding kidney cancer and an aortic aneurysm on that scan weren't so great, but the lungs were fine! 😀
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Thanks ThreeTree very much.
I have the same thoughts on the x-rays as you do.
I am glad to hear you are doing fine presently. Sorry to hear that you have had to undergo treatments but I am praying for your health.
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Thanks MinusTwo.
Good suggestion but in my case I never smoked. But when I see a specialist I expect them to explore different things. It comes and goes so I don't know what is aggravating me but that is what I plan to find out hopefully.
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Thanks AliceBastable.
Sorry to hear but I guess that test saved you? I hope they found it in time for you to successfully treat it even though it was not expected when they were focused on the lungs.
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Yep, had a nephrectomy between the lumpectomy and radiation. It was a busy six months! It's weird about CTs, they can find things that have been hiding for years. I guess before we had them, a lot of people were out of luck; so many cancers a symptomless until they're very advanced.
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