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stokerfan
stokerfan Member Posts: 25
edited April 2020 in Breast Reconstruction

I'm debating if I want to have reconstruction done on my breast due to a mastectomy. I have read about it and still not sure. Can anyone tell me what it is like to go through it? Thanks

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  • SimoneRC
    SimoneRC Member Posts: 419
    edited February 2020

    Hi stokerfan!

    Reconstruction is a lot to think about, right?!?! There are many different ways to reconstruct. Natural tissue, like DIEP and SGAP, to name just a few. Implants, under the muscle or over the muscle, with expanders. And direct to implant, again under or over the muscle.

    Some women can not choose from the entire list, while some can. Things like how much donor tissue you have, previous surgeries, original breast size and condition, previous radiation and skin condition are some of the factors. There are pros and cons to each type of surgery. And some people’s pros can be other people’s cons!

    I had silicone implants, pre pectoral (over the muscle), with expanders. I had the mastectomy with expanders placed on April 6. My exchange surgery, to remove the expanders and place the implants, was July 3.

    I had one post op visit about 5 days later when the surgeon checked the wounds, and removed the wound vac. Then, I had 3 fills, each a couple of weeks apart. Then we waited one month and did the exchange, along with some fat grafting.

    Two of my drains were in for 2 weeks, and two were in for 3 weeks.

    The expanders were uncomfortable for me, but not terrible. And they got less uncomfortable after each fill. So, for a couple of weeks it was uncomfortable, then much better.

    I was going out at two weeks. Hiding the drains under summer clothing was a pain. At three weeks, after the last drains were removed, I could go out anywhere. I was walking outside at two weeks. Walking a few miles at a time at 3 weeks. Cleared to do anything at 4 weeks.

    The exchange surgery was easy for me. No pain in the chest area. Sore and bruised from the fat donor sites for a bit. But Tylenol sore for a few days, not narcotic pain meds sore.

    I did have two revisions months later. One of my implants was bottoming out. So when I had my hysterectomy, I swapped out implants to smaller ones. I could not have fat grafting again at that time, too much surgery at once.

    So, a few months later I had more fat grafting and pocket revision to really tighten up the bottom of the pocket on the side that was slipping.

    I am pretty thin, with no fat up top and have thin skin. I am also very physically active and did not want animation deformity, loss of strength or range of motion that can occur with under the muscle implants.

    That is my story, stokerfan. Have you spoken to a really good reconstructive plastic surgeon? Have you reviewed the options? Are you leaning more one way or another? Do you have any limits on the procedures you can choose from?

    I think the most important part is to work with a really good reconstructive plastic surgeon. This is not a “boob job” and being highly skilled, well trained and experienced in the type of breast reconstruction you choose is vital!

    Good luck. Keep asking all the questions you want. And keep us posted!!


  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited February 2020

    stokerfan - under the breast reconstruction section where you've posted, you will find literally thousands of descriptions from members who have done several different kinds of reconstruction. You can try the 'exchange' thread, or a number of others. Once you do some reading, if you narrow it down a bit - for example are you considering implants or DIEP or ???? - we will be better able to relate relevant stories.

  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited February 2020

    stokerfan:

    I think experiences will be different depending on the starting point and the type of reconstruction.

    It might help to consult with a few plastic surgeons to see the type of reconstruction they recommend for you and then share with those here to get some input from those who have had the types of reconstruction recommended to you.


  • stokerfan
    stokerfan Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2020

    The problem is is that my surgery will be done on the 27th and won't have time to get in to see a plastic surgeon.

  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited February 2020

    Stokerfan:

    Depending on the type of breast cancer you have and when you were diagnosed, it might be feasible for you to delay surgery if you would like to better research your options first, but this is something that should be discussed with your doctor.

    I had immediate reconstruction in the form of expanders placed at the time of my mastectomy, which were later replaced with silicone implants. During the mastectomy, I had both the breast surgeon and plastic surgeon working on me.

    I had considered delaying reconstruction but I got conflicting opinions on that. One surgeon felt it would not be possible to do the reconstruction at a later date in my case and another thought it would be. I decided to go with the immediate reconstruction because it was easier in my situation for a number of reasons, but everyone's situation is unique.


  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited February 2020

    Stokerfan:

    Apologies, I forgot to answer your initial question.

    My bilateral mastectomy with immediate expander placement was actually kind of a breeze from my perspective. I woke up from surgery feeling like nothing happened but anesthesia. I felt and looked like I still had breasts, and for a few minutes I was worried that I had had a bad reaction to the anesthesia and they aborted the surgery before even starting it. I was very relieved to find that that wasn't the case.

    I did not have much severe pain. I took an oxy at the behest of the nurse the first night but I found that Tylenol adaquetly kept my pain at tolerable levels provided I did not move or use my arms and hands in ways I was not supposed to. However a few days after the surgery the skin on my chest surrounding the expanders felt sunburned to the touch.

    I had two drains, one of which caused me some pain if I was not careful, but only had them for a week. I required a bed wedge for a few weeks as it was impossible for me to sit up from lying flat on my back, and I required assistance getting dressed for the first two weeks though I managed to improvise with some ingenuity on occasion.

    I had to wear a surgical bra 24/7 for a few weeks but at the time it was usually more comfortable to wear it than not.

    I didn't have much discomfort during the expander fills. The expanders had a hard base, which could be uncomfortable...I had a nerve one of them kept hitting, and sometimes after a fill I would feel tightness, but nothing horrible. I should mention that I had pre pec expanders, meaning they were under my skin, over my pecs, as opposed to being under my pec muscle.

    My exchange surgery, where my expanders were replaced with the silicone implants was a different story. I thought it would be an easier recover than the mastectomy and I think it normally is, but I think they had to do a little more work than usual and I woke up in a lot more pain than with the mastectomy. I felt like my arm was sewn to my side at the armpit and I did have sutures in there but the exact cause of the issue remains a mystery two me. It resolved a few weeks later when I had my port removed and I'm not sure if the port was hitting a nerve or pulling on something or if being numbed up from the removal surgery allowed me to break a problem suture. I just know that the port removal resolved the issue.

    Also, I had not realized I would need the bed wedge again or assistance after the exchange surgery and this resulted in me getting stuck on my back for half an hour the morning after my first night home.

    But I'm happy with the results...I'm pretty impressed actually; I think my surgeons did an excellent job, and I do not regret my choices.


  • stokerfan
    stokerfan Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2020

    On the type of breast cancer I do not know. When I had gone in to have my lumpectomy to remove the tumor he didn't like what he saw. The ultra-sound I had done with the second mammogram it showed the tumor being 1.8 cm. The doctor noticed that the tissues around the tumor didn't look very good so he took more of the area out and sent it off. There was more cancer. Tumor ended up being 3.8 cm. After the mastectomy I won't know if I will need radiation or not. It depends on if the doctor finds any more tumors so reconstruction would have to wait.

  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited February 2020

    Stokerfan:

    Do you have the pathology report? It should say the type of breast cancer, the grade of the tumor and receptor type, for example my breast cancer was grade 3 invasive ductile carcinoma and it was estrogen receptor positive (ER+), progesterone receptor positive (PR+) and human epidermal growth factor receptor two positive (HER2-positive). Another way of saying that is that I had high grade, triple positive IDC. Does your doctor suspect lymph node or chest wall metastasis?

    Because my cancer was HER2 positive, I had chemotherapy before surgery. That is called neoadjuvant chemotherapy. They also like to do neoadjuvant chemotherapy for triple negative breast cancer, which is breast cancer with none of the three receptors mentioned above.

    The more common type receptor type of IDC is hormone receptor positive (ER+ and/or PR+) HER2 negative. For this type of breast cancer, they often do oncotyping to determine if chemotherapy is necessary or will be effective.

    My initial ultrasound when I was diagnosed showed suspected lymph node involvment but another ultrasound and a PET/CT did not. I also had a breast MRI before starting treatment, which did not substantiate lymph node involvement. In any case, during my mastectomy they did a sentinel lymph node biopsy which came back negative, so radiation and axillary node removal were not necessary in my case.

    If it was determined that I did need radiation, I'm not sure if they would have left the expander in or removed it.


  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited February 2020

    stokerfan - WC3 is correct. They would not be scheduling a mastectomy unless they had a path report that shows whether the cancer is IDC or ILC or.... Or hormone positive or negative... Or HER2+ or not. The treatments may be different for each one. I firmly believe you should consult a medical oncologist before surgery. Surgeon's cut - that's what they are trained to do. Oncologists look at the broad picture and consider all the angles - such as the possibility of chemo first if you are HER2+. If there's any discussion at all about possible radiation, the doc has a reason for making that statement and you should know the details

    I don't know where you are located, but anywhere in the US these reports are your property and you should have access to them and copies for your records.

    And if you are considering reconstruction - the plastic surgeon should be involved NOW and during the initial surgery. Perhaps you should postpone this surgery and get more information.

  • VEH1955
    VEH1955 Member Posts: 2
    edited February 2020

    I had Diep Flap from tummy unilateral. Left side. I had complications but it was me, not the surgery. I had Blood Pressure drops in surgery for an allergy to Gabapinton. So ended up with necrosis and more surgery. No regret, I have cleavage and had my right side lifted and reduced and will have an additional lift done again in summer of this year to get it up a little higher. Most days I do not wear a bra, I wear a tighter tank top under shirts. I recently had cellulitis in it and I am not sure how I got it. It was a Strep A and hit my bloodstream too. So I picked up a bacteria somehow and it landed on my reconstructed breast. My tummy is flat and I did get contouring with Liposuction on hips and for side boob. Insurance covered it all. The flap has a football shape skin pad from my tummy as I did delayed reconstruction. I can hardly see it myself looking down. Scarring is not so bad. I did loose my belly button to necrosis but oh well, don't need one. I chose this over implants as I knew I did not want implants. First few days were rough in hospital but no worse than my knee replacement surgery.

  • stokerfan
    stokerfan Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2020

    WC3,

    My Estrogen Receptor was Positive (90%). My Progesterone receptor was Negative (0.5%). My HER2: Positive 3. No cancer in the lymph nodes. He had done a biopsy on a few of them. However when he had gone it to remove the tumor he hadn't liked the way the tissues looked around it. He had taken out more than just the tumor and sent it off to be biopsied. There was more cancer than he had thought. The ultra-sound had shown a tumor at 1.8 cm. Ended up being 3.8 cm because of the extra cancer. When I go in on the 27th he will check my chest wall to make sure there are no tumors there. If there are he will send those off to be biopsied. Depending on the results I might have to have radiation along with the chemo or just chemo. I have decided not to have the reconstruction surgery for several reasons.

  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited February 2020

    Stokerfan:

    As your cancer is HER2 positive, you will likely be getting the targeted therapies herceptin and perjeta along with the chemotherapy. There is a forum here specifically for people with HER2 positive breast cancer in case you are interested.

    Just out of curiosity, have you met with an oncologist yet?

  • stokerfan
    stokerfan Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2020

    The doctor who did the surgery was thinking about growth hormone before chemo. He called my oncologist and she recommended doing any treatment after the surgery. This oncologist I have seen for many years. She had taken over my case when the first one I was seeing had gone to another hospital that didn't take my insurance. Surgery tomorrow the 27th and see my Oncologist on March 24.

  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited February 2020

    Stokerfan:

    Good luck on your surgery! I hope they get clean margins and wish you an easy recovery.

  • Calicoclara
    Calicoclara Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2020

    hello, I am having rt brst reduction & lift on on-cancer breast for symmetry!. Did not want any more on the breast that had 2 partials & rads. Needless to say I am quite lopsided! My dilemma is as follows: did not know was an overnight hospital stay ( cost?), and drains! I am traveling from Myrtle beach to Atlanta, surgery is on a Wednesday and I can’t travel until Friday, will I be able to fly home (1hr) or do the7 he drive? How long after to return for drain removal

  • Lajonesin
    Lajonesin Member Posts: 23
    edited March 2020

    calicoclara, I took my own drains out. I snipped the sutures and gently pulled them out and put a dressing over the holes. There was nothing to it. My fluid outputs had dropped on my breast and my abdominal drain just lost suction for some reason so I did one, the the other a week later. Due to corona, it was an option. Maybe you could ask for your situation?

  • msphil
    msphil Member Posts: 1,536
    edited April 2020

    hi there I had reconstruction after Lmast with expander 2 drains for wk I had 1 filling when I awaken to pain in my chest so bad and fever fiance at time took me to E R I was admitted it was removed it had hardened.My body rejected it as foreign body. I decided to wear prothesis. No regrets. Got married now this yr 26 yr Survivor. Praise God. msphil idc stage2 0/3 nodes 3mo chemo before and after Lmast then got married and 7wks rads and 5yrs on Tamoxifen. Hang in there. Hope

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