Why Biopsy some but not others
I am 43 and had my first mammogram at 40. A couple of areas were found and needed to be followed-up every 6 months for two years. From what I gather, it's that the two areas were 'unusual' but part of me, needed to be followed for any changes, and BOTH have been ruled out as normal (for me). Today I had my third mammogram - at which point both areas were ruled out as "no change" and said I can move to yearly and no need for ultrasounds every six months. That said, she then asked if I had noticed anything and I told her an area I felt something. She used the ultrasound and did in fact see something (when the mammogram I had literally just had minutes before showed nothing in that area). I told her I wasn't worried, and that I feel a similar area on my other breast and thought it was a milk duct. She peeked at the left side and said she wasn't worried about the left side, but she would like to biopsy the right side and showed me the area. It looked a little like a thyroid in the breast. I'm not worried and think I will be the 70% that have a benign finding but am perplexed after leaving my appointment today. How come she doesn't want to follow-up this new one for six months? |
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Can you post the reports of those exams?
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SchmoopieBear, until you are able to post your report for djmammo's input, I'll provide this additional information.
The difference between a BIRADs 3 and a BIRADs 4 can be very subtle.
- A BIRADs 3 means that the Radiologist assesses a 2% or less risk that the imaging might represent cancer. A BIRADs 3 usually comes with the recommendation of a 6-month follow-up.
- A BIRADs 4 means that the Radiologist assesses a greater than 2% (up to 95%) risk that the imaging might represent cancer. A BIRADs 4 warrants a biopsy.
Two masses that are very similar but have small subtle differences will be rated differently. For example, if there is a slight difference in shape, with one being fully round or oval versus the other being just a bit misshappen, the first will likely get BIRADs 3 rating whereas the second might get a BIRADs 4. Same thing with if there are two similar masses with one having distinct smooth borders and the other having slightly ragged or undefined borders.
Sometimes the differences are so subtle that one Radiologist might assess it one way, as a BIRADs 3, while another Radiologist might assess it a different way, as a BIRADs 4.
In your case, there is obviously something different in the appearance of your mass on the right side that is causing your Radiologist to be more cautious and rate it a BIRADs 4. djmammo will be able to explain this better once he sees the report.
Here's a picture of BIRADs 1 to BIRADs 5 imaging across different screening modalities. You can see that on ultrasound, the difference in the appearance of the mass between a BIRADs 3 and a BIRADs 4 can be quite small:
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Added this to my favorites to see what the answers are.
I was wondering this as well, but because I have three masses. Two easily accessible to biopsy and one more difficult. The difficult one they want to watch but biopsy the other two. I was wondering what makes one mass need to be biopsied over another if they all look like fibroadenomas.
Following along to see what others say... Hope all is okay for you!
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Beesie! Thank you for taking the time to answer so many posts so thoughtfully and with so much knowledge. You really add so much to this website and I wanted to say thanks. I thought you were probably a cyclist due to your Edmund Burke quote, but just googled and see that one was a philosopher and one trained cyclists for the Olympics. Anyway, thank you!
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Thank you so much for the incredibly helpful (and kind) responses. I don’t have a report (it honestly did not cross my mind that I could request it). I just had the mammogram Monday and the ultrasound right after. The radiologist “closed-out” following the incidental findings from the first mammogram when I was 40. At the end was when I told her I felt something. She did an ultrasound and then said she wants to biopsy
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Should I ask for the report from Monday or just try to be zen and wait for the biopsy appointment next week? It’s scheduled for 11/7 (that was the first available). The office manager helped me schedule it because she said they were so busy with October being breast cancer awareness month.
Thanks again!
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Up to you, whatever causes the least anxiety. If the facility has a patient portal you might be able to get it yourself before the biopsy.
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SchmoopieBear... Others here have said to always ask for the reports and keep them yourself because it makes it easier if you end up needing to go somewhere else/moving/etc.
Where I go uses an app and they post all test results and the doctor's reports to the app. It makes me feel better to have it. I may not understand all the lingo, but knowing what is going on gives me some peace of mind.
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I received the summary via email (thanks for suggesting that it was an option to ask for a copy of the report).
HISTORY: 43‐year‐old female with history of probably benign mass in the 10:30 right breast 7 cm from the nipple.
COMPARISON: Prior exams dating back to 2/3/2017
FINDINGS: Routine low dose tomosynthesis 3D with reconstructed 2D medial lateral oblique and craniocaudal digital mammographic views of both breasts are submitted for review and compared to prior exams.The mammary parenchyma is heterogeneously dense which may lower the sensitivity of mammography. The probably benign mass in the 10‐11 o'clock right breast appears stable. Calcifying fibroadenoma remains stable in the central posterior left breast. No new dominant mass, suspicious calcifications, architectural distortion, skin thickening, nipple retraction or abnormal lymph node enlargement are seen. There is no significant interval change from the previous exams.
Targeted bilateral breast ultrasound: Ultrasound of the 10‐11 o'clock right breast 7 cm from the nipple reveals an ovoid circumscribed hypoechoic mass measuring 1.4 x 1.8 x 0.7 cm which appears unchanged from prior ultrasound dating back to 2/15/2017.
While scanning, patient reports areas of palpable concern in the 9‐10 o'clock right breast and 2 o'clock left. Ultrasound of the area of palpable concern designated by the patient in the 9‐10 o'clock right breast 11 cm from the nipple reveals a heterogeneous hypoechoic area measuring 1.5 x 1.2 x 0.7 cm. Ultrasound of the area palpable concern designated by the patient in the 2 o'clock left breast 14 cm from the nipple reveals normal‐appearing glandular tissue with no discrete solid or cystic antimony.
IMPRESSION: Previously noted probably benign mass in the 10‐11 o'clock right breast 7 cm from the nipple appear stable from 2/15/2017 and is now considered a benign finding given its stability for over 2 1/2 years. Indeterminate hypoechoic area in the area of palpable concern in the 9‐10 o'clock right breast 11 cm from the nipple. No mammographic or sonographic discrete abnormality in the area of palpable concern in the 2 o'clock left breast 14 cm from the nipple.
RECOMMENDATION: Recommend ultrasound‐guided core needle right breast biopsy for the indeterminate hypoechoic area corresponding to the area palpable concern in the 9‐10 o'clock right breast 11 cm from the nipple. Further management or decision to biopsy the area of palpable concern in the 2 o'clock left breast 14 cm from the nipple should be based on the physical exam and clinical assessment.
This mammogram was interpreted following analysis with Computer‐Aided Detection technology. The patient has been notified of the results and recommendations.
Final Assessment (4): Suspicious abnormality ‐ biopsy should be considered.
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They are describing a hypoechoic "area" and not a "mass" so that makes it a little less likely an invasive carcinoma but I have biopsied similar "areas" and have had it come back as DCIS. Although an area of fibrosis might also have this appearance, the fact that it is palpable and the area looks different at US than the rest of the breast makes the biopsy necessary.
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djmammo - thank you very much. The sheet the rad handed me called it a “mass" but you helped me feel better. I am going to try to be calm and zen about it and will go in next Thursday for the core biopsy.
I admit I was a little confused when the rad said that I might want to talk to a breast surgeon due to my finding something palpable on the left side. When she looked with the ultrasound she said it looked like normal glandular tissue but that I might want to talk to my GYN and a breast surgeon. This is a new GYN to me and she doesn't know me aside from my first visit to see her two weeks ago,but maybe we will come up with a plan after we get results back from the core biopsy.
Thanks for all the help and support - what a wonderful resource this is!
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Hi I found a indent in my areola in my left breast. Not to sure if I could find a lump went to breast clinic to have mammogram and ultrasound. Mammogram could not find anything but ultrasound found a 8x7x10mm spot where the indent is no vascular flow was noted. Recommended core biopsy next Tuesday bi-rads 4. My question is why biopsy from what I read on here it sounds B9. I'm a little scared to have the core needle biopsy and really don't want to do it.
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djmammo - is it okay to ask the radiologist to check the left breast on Thursday prior to the biopsy. I tried a breast self exam last night to familiarize myself with things pre-biopsy and fully understand how confusing this is. To me, the left breast feels way more concerning to me and I feel a palpable area on the left. Is there a way to get a thorough ultrasound of each breast. I see the radiologist mentioned possible follow-up. Would that be with a breast surgeon
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Thank you for posting this because I'm curious too. I had multiple areas to "watch" on my last MRI 6 months ago and yet they biopsied only 2 of them. I just had another 6 months follow up MRI on Friday and haven't gotten the results yet and I'm so curious as to what they'll do with the ones they decided to "watch" and not biopsy. This is so hard.
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It depends on how the exam is ordered. If the order reads "US right breast" they cannot scan the left unless they call your doc's office and have them send a new order though. Some orders however are written so that at the rad's discretions they can add anything they think is necessary at the time of your visit. Can't hurt to ask, just know it may keep you there a bit longer if they have to call.
We had order sheets printed up and sent to surrounding offices for them to use that gave us permission to shechedule the patient for anything and everything through biopsy and MRI so that we never had to call the doc and wait for new orders.
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