Trigger Thumb/Painful Thumb with Aromasin

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  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited September 2019

    Just bumping this thread. How is everyone doing? Any new successes?

    I've been splinting my thumbs for over a month but I'm not better yet. I might be heading for cortisone shots soon. I'm worried about cortisone shots and lymphedema though.

    I'd appreciate any insights.

  • InnaB2018
    InnaB2018 Member Posts: 1,276
    edited September 2019

    I had a trigger finger on Anastrozole. Had a cortisone shot a few days ago. It definitely stopped hurting. Now I am waiting for the joint to stop clicking.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited September 2019

    Buttons - I had a series of 4 cortisone shots in my thumb over a year in 2013 while I was in the middle of chemo & ALND surgery. It got cumulatively better each time. I had one additional shot each year in 2014, 2015 & 2016 when the triggering started to re-occur, and (knock wood) no more shots. Luckily it didn't cause any LE flares. I was determined not to have hand surgery if possible & it worked.

    In 2018 he found TENOSYNOVITIS but it was not triggering yet so he gave me a set of hand exercises. Those have worked well.

    I think it's really worth it. Start with just one side if you want to do a test/trial but be prepared that the first one or two probably won't cure the problem.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2019

    Hi Everyone- I've been on Anastrozole for 9ish months, with some stiffness and joint pain but it was tolerable. 2 months ago I woke up to a trigger thumb and hand pain and it's continued. My PC said its so common they've labeled it Arimidex induced arthritis. She's referred me to a PT to start there. I did message my oncologist and she said I can stop this AI for 2-3 weeks and switch to Letrozole. Of course I hate where I am, but also get nervous for what a new med can bring!

  • Newfromny
    Newfromny Member Posts: 139
    edited October 2019

    I’ve been on Anastrozole for about 2 months and in addition to thumb pain I’m feeling overall blah. Sometimes I have stomach pains, and I’m fatigued.I’m still on perjeta, 1 more infusion, so not sure if that’s the problem. Anyone else have this SE?

  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited October 2019

    I have now been on Anastrozole for 12 months. Painful thumb joints have been vaguely noticeable, and now they've settled into always sore. I take NSAID's. Sigh. I do not love this, because one of my hobbies is classical piano! All of the arthritis that I already had before starting my AI at age 61 (hips, knees, feet, hands) has gotten achier on my AI. Not screaming pain, just annoying, and enough to make me feel grumpy! Also, thumb joints are weaker than they used to be. Harder to grab things, and I have to do a lot of 'work-arounds' just to pick up a quart of milk, or a heavy pan, etc.

    All of my other arthritic body parts don't complain as much when I do regular (1 hour daily) exercise, but there's not really a solution like that for thumbs---the general plan is to be nice to them, so that's what I'm doing.

    I have Rx Meloxicam, which lasts 24 hours. If I feel particularly achey, I take that. If it's fleeting or not as bad, I take OTC Aleve or Ibuprofen. All NSAID's do a good job of keeping me comfortable.

    Feels very good to have this safe place to whine a bit....

  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited October 2019

    I don’t wanna jinx anything, but I wore a thumb splint ring jewelry for prob about 6 months and really gave my thumb a break.

    The thumb split starting to create a little callous on the outside of my thumb at the knuckle so last week I decided to give the ring/splint a break.

    I haven’t need the splint for the whole week and my thumb has stopped subluxating and getting stuck and I am not having any pain.

    Fingers crossed 🤞🏽 that this continues!!

    I did go through one month of being very compliant with taking prescription strength Naproxen daily, but I stopped that about a month ago.

    Also, I think 🤔 that my plantar fasciitis MAY be getting better. I’ve been doing foot stretches and ball rolling massage and acupuncture and I think I’ve turned a corner finally!!!

  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited October 2019

    this is what I got, for anyone curious...it’s beautiful and I got tons of compliments. So it has dual actions: trigger finger splint and pretty jewelry!

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/683394773/sterling-silver-spiral-splint-ring

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2019

    Thanks for the link Lovefromphilly! I may get one of those! I've been off anastrozole since 10/10. Still have some pain. Feel like I had increased side effects coming off of it, but now it's leveling out. MO wants me to check in at the beginning of November and she may be moving me to another AI.

  • Cindr
    Cindr Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2019

    Help!! After radiation my MO put me on Femera (Letrozole). Within 1 month I had terrible mouth sores and my hands very swollen, trigger fingers and extremely painful. My MO said that swelling and pain in the hands was not a common side effect but took me off the Femera. She had me go to a hand specialist.

    Now the hand surgeon wants to do carpal tunnel surgery. My MO put on Aromasin on August 24th. I was doing very well with no side effects but the last few weeks I am getting swelling and pain back in my hands again. I don’t think it’s carpal tunnel and don’t really want to have surgery. Can anyone shed light on this… Have you had the same side effects??

    Thank you!!

    Cindr (Castle Rock, Colorado

  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited November 2019

    hi Cindr,

    Sorry you’re experiencing these terrible side effects.

    I would not dive right into any surgery. That’s me personally, unless it was a life or death situation.

    I found that to deal with the carpal tunnel that I experienced early on from the meds, I started working out with light hand weights and doing a LOT of arm (pecs, triceps, biceps, forearms and wrists) stretches daily.

    It took a couple of months, but I was able to work through the carpal tunnel and nerve-like pains I was experiencing and haven’t suffered since.

    It took about a year for me to develop a trigger finger of the thumb and I bought a thumb ring for trigger finger (easy to find on Etsy) and wore that as a splint for about the past 6 months. Have been exercising my thumb too. Saw a hand specialist.

    I have also taken NSAIDs and Tylenol to deal with the aches and pains as needed but regularly.

    This has all seemed to work for me.

    it does take time and patience. I’m just not one to go under the knife so quickly, again unless it’s life or death:..

    I also have received a lot of massage therapy. Like every few weeks.

    Hope this helps!

  • bravepoint
    bravepoint Member Posts: 404
    edited November 2019

    Cindr- i developed tingling and numbness in my right hand after about 2 weeks on Letrozole. My MO told me that now way was it from the med. I thought it was a bit of a coincidence so asked to switch to something else. I started taking Exemestane. The numbness was still there so i had a nerve conduction test which indicated carpal tunnel. Since this was my BC side, I was not keen to rush into surgery. I wore a brace on my hand while sleeping and did a lot of physio with a BC specialist. I am happy to say that now about 18 months later my hand is pretty much normal. I don't wear the brace and can even knit again. I am happy that I didn't do any surgery!

  • Cindr
    Cindr Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2019

    Thank you lovefromphilly & bravepoint! It’s good to know I’m not the only one with what I believe to be SE!! I’m definitely not going under the knife. My EMG shows moderate to severe CT but I want a 2nd opinion so going to a new Hand Specialist. I will definitely work on doing more exercises!!

    My MO insists this is not a SE from Exemestane but I’ve never had this kind of swelling, trigger fingers and pain before being in these meds!! Celebrex seemed to really help for about a month but now that’s not working any more!!

    Thank you again for the support and letting me know I’m not crazy 😜.

    Cindr

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited November 2019

    I've hesitated posting on this thread since my cancer is/was hormone negative and I didn't have any of hormone treatments, but it may give some help to those who don't believe in immediate surgery.

    I had trigger thumb shortly after I was diagnosed with BC & before any cancer treatments. Because I didn't want to get sidetracked with any other surgery at the time, my orthopedic hand surgeon suggested a cortisone injection. I had two shots several months apart and two the next year. Since then I have had no problems. Two years later, the other thumb did the same & we treated with the same shots since my body obviously had a good reaction it solved the problem both times.

    Even though he is a surgeon (and remember, surgeon's cut) he said I should just come back if the triggering becomes active again. It's been more than 5 years with no problems at all. I do hand stretching & flexing exercises several times a week. I saw him this year and one of the thumbs has increasing 'tenosynovosity', but is not triggering so we're doing nothing. The following is from 'wiki':

    Injection of the tendon sheath with a corticosteroid is effective over weeks to months in more than half of people. When corticosteroid injection fails, the problem is predictably resolved by a relatively simple surgical procedure (usually outpatient, under local anesthesia). The surgeon will cut the sheath that is restricting the tendon.

    One study suggests that the most cost-effective treatment is two trials of corticosteroid injection, followed by open release of the first annular pulley.[11] Choosing surgery immediately is the most expensive option and is often not necessary for resolution of symptoms.
  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited November 2019

    hi MinusTwo - I visited a hand orthosurgeon too. Like yours, the one I saw was incredibly conservative.

    He actually told me that we could do a cortisone injection but that he recommended not to go that route due to my current health status and his concern with my receiving steroids and their effect on the body/immune system. I was kinda like, “oh! Okay..” and felt sorta left with no other options. I was ready for a shot! He said I could do it if I wanted to, but said if I could hold off, then I should.


    so I did...took a while but again, thumb is about 85% back to normal :) maybe I am lucky??

    Glad yours is resolved as well!

  • Cindr
    Cindr Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2019

    I have had cortisone injections in both hands. Helped for a while but the trigger finger in my pinky finger is back. My biggest issue is the severe swelling and pain when making a fist also a lot of numbing especially when sleeping. I can’t even get my ringson my fingers 😢.

    I appreciate everyone’s input and was just wondering if PT world help with my symptoms and if you have had success with PT what type of PT did you have??

    Thank you sweet ladies for your help ❤️

  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited November 2019

    hi Cindr,

    I do believe healing is possible with strenuous PT and acupuncture and massage.

    I’m not exactly sure why your hands are swelling so much? Does the doctor think that is being caused by the carpal tunnel?

    When I see patients with these issues (I’m an acupuncturist), I always recommend rigorous stretches and weights plus weekly acupuncture and massage for 4-6 sessions to see if we can make an impact.

    I typically think that there is some type of ulnar and possibly radial nerve entrapment happening, which would be coming from the cervical spine, the shoulder, the elbow or the wrist.

    Usually I see that there is a combination of all of these in some form as the whole arm neck and shoulder are very stiff and tight and need a LOT of movement, loosening and strengthening.

    Some people choose to go the surgical way because it is the least amount of work they need to do themselves, while others (like myself) are more motivated to work through it if possible.

    No judgement either way! Either choice is great and will hopefully bring you relief.

    The biggest concern I would have is with how far along the issue is, and is it so advanced that it is beyond the point of no return without surgery.

    That is something I cannot judge or diagnosis from over here where I am sitting.

    I do believe that our bodies are incredibly resilient and able to overcome quite a lot of trauma. Maybe not 100% but at least close to that.


  • Cindr
    Cindr Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2019

    Hi lovefromphilly!

    The doctors haven’t really given me any thoughts snout the swelling which is what bothers me the most and causes the most pain!! So frustrating!

    I like your suggestions... I’ve never tried acupuncture for this but I’m definitely willing to do that and PT. No surgery for me!!

    Funny you mention neck and shoulder issues with these symptoms. For many years I have had issues with bulging disc at C 4 & 5 which has caused a lot of numbing in my arms but have never had this issue in my hands?? I’ve gone to a sports chiropractor for years and stopped going about 9 months ago because I didn’t feel it was helping much any more. I started having issues with my hands after going on AI’s ;-(

    Is there any specialized accupunture you would suggest?? Thank you again for your input!!

  • exercise_guru
    exercise_guru Member Posts: 716
    edited November 2019

    Can you switch to tamoxifen? I had terrible hand and joint problems and neuropathy with AI treatments. I did pursue acupuncture which helped but only after going off of AIs. Even had hand surgery that did nothing and made the problem worse.



    I think some

  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited November 2019

    Cindr what part of CO do you live in? Feel free to PM me if you’d rather answer privately.

    I would recommend an acupuncturist who does hands on work with their patients. Some types of acupuncture and acupuncturists practice in a way where they simply insert the needles and then walk away and the patient typically takes a nice nap and feels Very refreshed and relaxed afterwards. At times these types of treatments can be INCREDIBLY effective in treating the patients symptoms.

    However in my experience and the way I practice is that I do a TON of hands on work with the patients. I massage and stretch them, as well as other physical manipulations and adjustments. My experience as a clinician and as a patient has led me to believe this is the most effective type of treatment to receive for best results.

  • Cindr
    Cindr Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2019

    I live in Castle Rock south of Denver. I appreciate any suggestions you might have. Thank you!!

  • Cindr
    Cindr Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2019

    Hi Exercise guru, I think my am MO wants me to be on an AI because of my age? Maybe I should talk to her about trying tamoxifen? Worst part about this is nobody seems to know why am getting all the swelling and pain?

    Thank you for suggestion I’ll talk to my MO about it!! 😊❤️

  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited November 2019

    cindr I did a quick google search and there's a TON of places in your town.

    I liked the experience and descriptions of the folks at this clinic.

    https://www.crfaclinic.com/acupuncture/about-greg/

    Good luck and let us know how it goes!

  • Deborahatthebeach
    Deborahatthebeach Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2019

    Hello. I'm new to this site. Just saw your post on AI articles.

    Thank you!

    I'm having very bad muscular-skeletal pains, trouble

    standing up, sitting down, walking. Switched two weeks ago from Letrazole

    to Exemestane. Hope it gets better.....

    Deborah at the beach

  • VioletKali
    VioletKali Member Posts: 243
    edited November 2019

    After I quit chemo, I tried an AI. I developed trigger finger, stuff joints, etc.. I decided that antihormonals were not worth it, not worth harming my quality of life.

    My Oncologist also said "No way....". Dude, I am a Nurse, I know. I fired that Onc and got a new one.

  • Cindr
    Cindr Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2019

    Thank you Lovefromphilly!!! I’ll check it out!!

  • Cindr
    Cindr Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2019

    Thank you for sharing Violetkali!! Why do Oncologist’s refuse to admit these symptoms can come from AI’s. I don’t understand!!! I know my body- I also have UC so I am very in tune with my body. This is not my imagination!! So frustrating!

    Did you also get swelling with the trigger finger and pain?? Thanks!!

  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited November 2019

    Hi All, I just thought I would update here.

    I have now been splinting my thumbs for close to 12 weeks. It has helped, but I still have pain with ordinary activities, and some "popping" when my thumb tendons move. I did follow up with the hand doctor again, who recommended that I continue with the splint for now, since I am showing improvement. We will reassess the cortisone shot option in late December. (I think even the Dr is afraid of aggravating my lymphedema side. My lymphedema is in a really good place right now, and I don't want to rock the boat.) So I guess I am kicking the can down the road, still waiting for my thumbs to heal.

    Also, my MO switched me to Faslodex instead of switching me to another AI. My MO said my hands were the worst they have ever seen from an AI, even though they have seen this problem a number of times. So far, Faslodex is better for me, and I am glad to have another option for effective hormone treatment, besides AIs and Tamoxifen.

    One day at a time. I hope I make a full recovery from this - it has been really upsetting for me. I hope everyone else recovers, too!

  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited March 2020

    Hi All, just updating here.

    Since I last posted I had two cortisone injections on my right side. It REALLY helped! I am not totally out of the woods yet, but I am hopeful that cortisone injections will help this to heal so I can avoid surgery. My left side, which was not as bad, has actually improved 95% with night-time bracing alone. I have been wearing SPICA braces on both hands every night.

    Regarding lymphedema - my LE specialist doctor said that cortisone injections to the affected arm carries a LE risk that is "very small, but not zero." My main fear about cortisone injections was that I could make my mild arm LE worse - I am glad to say that has not happened, and so far my arm is unchanged. Anyway, my right thumb was so bad that I think cortisone injections were unavoidable, so it was a small risk I was willing to take.

    I am starting to feel like I have my life back somewhat - for me losing hand function was causing some serious depression. I hope it resolves fully and I can be "normal" again, at least in this way. Special thanks to MinusTwo and everyone else for their encouragement and advice.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2020

    Button - so glad that things have improved some. Hoping your thumb problems will go away for a good long while. I'm at 6 years now after 4-5cortisone shots.

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