Stereotactic Biopsy Not Completed

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MollyAdelaide
MollyAdelaide Member Posts: 11
edited October 2019 in Not Diagnosed But Worried

Hi all,

I'm looking for some reassurance or guidance. I'm 42 and had my first mammogram beginning of September. They called me back for a diagnostic of my left breast. From the diagnostic they told me I have loosely grouped amorphous microcalcifications in a 4 to 9 mm area. And said I have homogeneously dense breasts. They rated it a birads 4 and suggested a stereotactic biopsy. All that, I understand to be pretty standard.

But here's where I'm confused. I went in for the biopsy and they were unable to perform it because the calcs were not visible on the tomograph machine? So they explained it isn't as good at picking up micro calcs as the mammogram and told me to come back in six months for another diagnostic mammogram and downgraded me to a birads 3.

My husband said no. We went in and met with the surgeon and they discussed my case and agreed because I “insisted" they would do a surgical biopsy which will be three months from my original mammogram.

It is my understanding from reading that they want to decrease the number of unnecessary surgical biopsies? But also that a birads should not be downgraded from a 4 to a 3 unless there is actual proof via a biopsy to downgrade it? Is that correct? If I have dense breasts than it will be more difficult to detect but if they saw something “suspicious" rated 20-30% chance of cancer and then just decide to downgrade to 2% because they'd didn't see it with a different machine? Is that within the norm of treatment? Is it wise to “insist" on the surgical biopsy or should i just wait for the repeat diagnostic mammogram?

Thank you for being a place to come with concerns

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  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited October 2019

    I think I would request a breast MRI. If anything still looks concerning on the MRI perhaps it could be biopsied via MRI. If nothing concerning is seen on the MRI, perhaps a short term (six months?) repeat mammogram. Any chance you are close to a university medical breast clinic?

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2019

    So your calcs were seen on a 2D mammogram but not a 3D mammogram (tomosynthesis) when they went to do the biopsy? Or was the biopsy attempted using a different technique?

    Normally a biopsy is done using whatever equipment best showed the area of concern. I agree that an MRI should be helpful to determine if a biopsy is warranted, and I also wonder why a stereotactic biopsy can't be done using the same type of mammogram machine that highlighted the area of concern.

  • MollyAdelaide
    MollyAdelaide Member Posts: 11
    edited October 2019

    The diagnostic mammogram was 2D. And the set-up they have for the biopsy is 3D, yes. We are in military healthcare which has been great for us up until now. We’re having doubts whether this isn’t being handled appropriately. The radiologist doctor who spoke with me after they were unable to see the micro calcifications with the 3d machine, said that mri and ultrasound would likely not pick it up either. She said that if it is cancer it is likely only dcis or stage 0.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2019

    Very odd, since 3D mammos are generally considered to be better than 2D, and the following study confirmed this to be true specifically for calcifications:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6317146/

    So I don't know why you were told that 3D tomosynthesis isn't as good at picking up calcifications. That's not true.

    What is true is that ultrasounds don't tend to see calcifications. MRIs don't see calcifications eitherbut they are effective at seeing the cancer that the calcifications represent. The calcs themselves are not cancer but are calcium deposits. Calcium deposits usually are caused by something benign but they can be caused by cancer cells. So the MRI won't see the calcs themselves but will see the cancer - particularly if it is invasive or high grade DCIS. An MRI might however miss lower grade DCIS. The following meta-analysis suggests that MRIs can be useful when evaluating BIRADs4 calcifications:

    https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/radiol.2016161106

    It is true that if calcifications represent breast cancer, it is likely to be Stage 0 DCIS. But "likely" isn't "always" and in some cases, invasive cancer can be found mixed in with the DCIS.

    I think you should push for the MRI. Or at least have another 2D mammo to verify what the first mammo saw and reassess if the calcs are BIRADs 3 or BIRADs 4.

  • cooper2
    cooper2 Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2019

    i have a bruise in my left breast that appears to faint purple in colour...should i be worried ?

  • MollyAdelaide
    MollyAdelaide Member Posts: 11
    edited October 2019

    Thank you so much Beesie! This is exactly what I was hoping for. Having some studies and facts to make decisions off of an explanations. I really appreciate you taking the time

  • MollyAdelaide
    MollyAdelaide Member Posts: 11
    edited October 2019

    And what you said reminds me that the radiologist doctor said something about maybe the calcs were not as close together as the 2D made them look and that that was why the 3D didn’t pick them up.

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited October 2019

    MollyAdelaide

    Can you post the report that recommended the biopsy and the report of the unsuccessful biopsy?


    Interesting article on biopsy technique used following unsuccessful stereo biopsy.

  • MollyAdelaide
    MollyAdelaide Member Posts: 11
    edited October 2019

    Thank you Melissa also btw!

    Djmammo, this is the diagnostic report:

    INDICATION: Callback calcifications COMPARISON: Screening mammogram dated 9/11/2019 TISSUE DENSITY: The breast tissue is heterogeneously dense, which may obscure detection of small masses. FINDINGS: Amorphous loosely grouped calcifications within the superior left breast. No dominant mass architectural distortion or skin thickening. IMPRESSION: Amorphous calcifications within the superior left breast. BIRADS: 4: Suspicious RECOMMENDATION: 1. Stereotactic Biopsy Left breast

    And here is the report from the scheduled stereotactic biopsy:

    COMPARISON: 9/13/2019 DESCRIPTION: Patient history: 41-year-old female with suspected abnormal calcifications left breast. EXAMINATION: DIAGNOSTIC MAMMOGRAM ACCESSION: 0089-19145412 INDICATION: Suspicious finding suggesting nonclustered calcification. COMPARISON: 9/13/2019 TISSUE DENSITY: There are scattered areas of fibroglandular density. FINDINGS: The patient was originally scheduled for stereotactic biopsy. With stereotactic evaluation and tomographic techniques we were unable to verify the presence of worrisome clustered calcification. For this reason the patient's biopsy was canceled and the patient has been rescheduled for diagnostic mammogram in 6 months of the left breast. IMPRESSION: Probably benign BIRADS: 3: Probably Benign RECOMMENDATION: 1. Follow-up diagnostic mammogram Left in 6 months

    Just to clarify, because details, I had a birthday just after this hence the report saying 41 and my post saying 42.

    I appreciate any insight you can offer. I am an RN and feel uncomfortable pushing for something other than what is recommended. However, this is not adding up to me. I understand and sympathize the clinicians are doing the best they can with what they have. I do not blame them for my confusion necessarily. But ultimately I am the one who will have to live with the assumptions and interpretations and consequences thereof.


  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited October 2019

    MollyAdelaide

    Personally, I would have another radiologist take a look at your images as that may be easier for you than others considering your position, maybe someone you know personally. Sometimes the choice between recommending 6 mos or biopsy can be fairly arbitrary if the appearance doesn't lean strongly one way or the other. There were many times I would let the patient decide depending on their level of anxiety. Also different rads have differing skill levels in performing stereo biopsies so ask the next rad if they think they can biopsy it successfully.

    I assume the reasoning for the B3 is this: If there is no mass on mammo or US, the chances of a macro IDC drops considerably. If the calcs are not the "linear branching pattern" variety then the odds of it being grade 3 DCIS drops as well. The possibilities are then benign fibrocystic type calcs vs. low grade DCIS vs. ADH or one of other atypias which are not cancer. Even if it is low grade DCIS, 6 months would probably not change the prognosis in the absence of IDC.

    If you think that waiting out the next 6 months would be unbearable, ask for the biopsy, just remember that if you have an open surgical biopsy there will be a scar, and possibly for a benign condition.

  • MollyAdelaide
    MollyAdelaide Member Posts: 11
    edited October 2019

    Thank you. I appreciate your thoughtful, informative reply! So very helpful

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