Feeling in limbo
I wonder if others feel as I do... in a sort of limbo. On the one hand, I think that if I am going to die prematurely from this disease, I should stop worrying about money and do everything I feel like doing now. On the other hand, I'm hoping g to live for quite a while so maybe I should continue to put off things on a five year plan etc. in case I do live longer. I feel like I'm being spoiled for wanting everything now but I just don't know what to do with all this uncertainty. I know that there are no guarantees in life. People tell me all the time that we could all die tomorrow ( somehow that is supposed to be comforting) but I fluctuate between being optimistic and saying, "the heck with it all!" Do others experience this and how do you deal with it?
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Yes. How do I deal with it? I just keep tromping along and assume that I will until I can't.
My cancer is currently in remission, but I've been on this forum long enough to know it could return with a vengeance. I will not allow uncertainty about the future to affect my life any more than this stupid disease already has. It's a constant battle to keep the "what if" thoughts under control, but you must work at it so you can live.
Don't give cancer any more of your time than you must. Make a list of all you want to do/ accomplish/enjoy and prioritize it. Eight years ago, when I learned my cancer had metastisized after years of dormancy, I sat down with my partner and made a list of all the places we wanted to travel. I found that list the other day and was happy to see we had visited many of them, spending a good two weeks in each. Each trip was glorious in its own way.
Plan, yes. But don't put off what you want to do most.
Tina
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I was diagnosed Stage IV only two weeks ago, so I don't know how to deal with limbo, I just know I'm there. I have had thoughts of "Welp, guess I won't need that retirement fund..." (I'm 52) but then chide myself for negative thinking. It's a tough place to be.
I was going gangbusters working and planning to launch my new online business by October 20, and now I have zero desire to work at all. I need to snap out of it because I need to make money and keep my mind occupied, but at the moment I don't give a rat's hairy heiney. I think (hope) once I start Kisqali on Monday I'll be able to move forward with the new normal, work again, and make long term plans, but for right now, I'm still in the diagnosis aftermath.
I hope you find your answer. I'll be following this thread too for the great advice sure to come.
Lauren
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I feel the same sense of limbo and I’m still trying to figure it out myself. Hopefully others will come along with good tips for us all. I’m 40 and cashed out my retirement fund and booked a family trip to Hawaii at Christmas and a spring break trip to Florida. I paid off my car, too. But I still have a bulk of the fund for some future planning, it gives me something to look forward to. But I’m also realistic and know I’m unlikely to see my kids graduate or get married. So I’m focused on enjoying the people they are now and keep my planning shorter in range.
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I kinda moved into the "go for broke" mode after my first diagnosis, and am amazed I haven't spent us to bankruptcy with all of the trips and remodeling, etc. Assuming your enthusiasm returns (or boredom kicks in), go for the exciting new online business!!
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I totally understand! And I keep flip flopping as well. I am 40, and things are under control at the moment, but as other people say, you never know. I am optimistic about myself and the future of science, so I still contribute a little to my 401k (although I did decrease it after my diagnosis). I have tried to make travel and entertainment more of a priority, but I still work part-time...it makes me feel normal. I have a young child, so I just think that whatever I choose, I hope it benefits her (either with fun travel now or possible financial help in the future). Instead of being in limbo, maybe you (we) are just more "balanced?"
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Glad someone started this - I was having a lot of anxiety the last few days working through similar thoughts. I start treatment (they shut down the estrogen) next Thursday prior to the hormone therapy after about five weeks of the diagnosis limbo. We live far from family in a third country, and there is the added dimension of when do we want to go home to the US vs its pretty nice having everything paid for in the UK. My job is flexible so I could keep this up for a while here. Im not sure I could get something as good if I were to leave (even if I don't like it very much). I have some ideas to do my own thing, but it will take a lot of energy and mental focus I don't have right now. That doesn't mean I won't ever have it again, but let's just give it a break for the time being.
My job has always involved taking educated guesses at future events and man, its real hard to turn off that mentality and thinking. So for the next few weeks it will be all about retraining those thought processes and enjoying today. Short term I just want to get to the end of the year at work, get stable and on the treatment, and then reevaluate. I've long term leave I can take, but if I can't go anywhere I don't really see the point - would rather be mentally busy. I also have a lot of time on my hands so I also want to learn other things and do stuff so I don't feel like I just a lump of meat for this parasite.
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Keepmewell, for a long, long time I struggled with the same things as you. I operate so much better with certainty but it's hard to come by with an mbc diagnosis.
Then I found this quote from Tony Schwartz:" Let go of certainty. The opposite isn't uncertainty. It's openness, curiosity."
So I practice openmindedness. You could live long or maybe not but at this point, don't try to predict an outcome. Be open to any possibility and learn to live in that mindset.
I agree with Tina, take some time to write down what is important to you, things you want to do, ect. Then prioritize. You don't have to go all gangbusters, blowing the bank, but push the limits of your comfort zone a bit. Do the top thing on your list. Enjoy the fullness of it. Don't worry about the next thing yet. Immerse yourself in that one thing. Then go to the next thing and proceed and experience it.
I had a full life before bc but still wanted to see the Grand Canyon, NYC and Mt Rushmore. There were closer day trips to places near me I'd always put off doing. A little at a time, I made plans and did these things and so much more. This took place over years, not all in one fell swoop. I still worked part time for a few years, spent quality time with my son and took up a few new hobbies like genealogy and coin collecting. In time, I tackled some home improvements. I even had a plastic surgeon remove 3 moles on my face and felt immediately more attractive and I liked that feeling! I absorbed the fun and the challenges along the way and didn't rush through to get to the next thing.
So chunk it down into smaller, doable parts. Don't go from A to Z. Go from A to B. Then go from B to C, C to D and so on. One step at a time. Treat yourself to the #1 & 2 things on your list, then assess how you feel and move forward and decide your next course of action. You'll develop a rhythm and approach that works for you.
I've been at this almost 9 years and am more content these days with simpler plans but very very happy with my travels and time spent.
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Keepmewell, please know you are not spoiled in wanting what you want and wanting it now. Immediately after diagnosis, I stopped doing many things I did out of obligation or what others wanted me to do. I started zeroing in on what I wanted and felt like doing. I highly recommend that you do more and more of what you want to do and less and less of what bores you or feels a waster of time or is an obligation. Do the basics, clean house, pay bills, ect., but don't get hung up on that as in “I should be cleaning my closet but I'm here at the movies." We can be responsible but we don't have to be slaves to responsibilities. Get rid of the guilt. Give yourself more freedom to have good times and branch out into what you love doing. This can be a time of personal growth.
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Amen, oh Divine One!
Tina
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Before MBC, I figured I had a good 15-20 years left, based on family longevity.
So, before my diagnosis, I installed some expensive overhead light bulbs for the garage that are supposed to last something like 22 years. I bought some nice furniture with the thought that I would get at least 15-20 years of enjoyment out of the purchases. I even had the basement bathroom completely remodeled, again with the thought of a 15-20 year timeline for the investment.
Now that I have MBC, I am not interested in buying much of anything or spending lots of money, not because I am depressed, but because the calculation seems off. The return on investment (ROI) doesn’t make sense.
On the other hand, eating out or getting takeout, instead of home cooking, seems to make a lot of sense to me!
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I have also changed my priorities. I used to be a workaholic. I lost all interest in work once I was diagnosed with stage 4. I ended up quiting my job, signed up for disability, and I draw a monthly check from my IRA. We plan a trip almost every month. Some are just weekend getaways and some are 1-2 weeks long. I think more about making memories with friends and family than about material things now.
You really have to decide what makes you happy and then go for it.
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interesting topic!
I also felt and still often feel that way.
Every day I remind myself to do my best to enjoy life more. I’d rather be laughing than crying. And I cried for about a year after my diagnosis. So I have come a long way. Antidepressants have helped me too, specifically Lexapro. And it’s also really helped with the awful Hot flashes.
I still buy green bananas 🍌
It took me a while but at some point I started realizing I wasn’t going anywhere too quickly.
I am still working because I love what I do and I don’t feel ready yet to throw in the towel. I was JUST opening my practice when I was diagnosed. I didn’t stop. I kept going. I even threw a grande opening party and had a blast!
I have also made a delicious to get the things I always hesitated about before. For example I ate ice cream for dinner tonight (yum!) and bought this gold dress (with gold sparkling cowgirl boots) tonight!! cant wait to wear them!!
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very striking
I can relate to "in limbo" things in some aspects. Mostly I am in shock though rather than in limbo - just been diagnosed a couple of months ago. Still work and hope I will for a long time - disability income would be living on a breadline and I love my job.
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Thank you to all the replies. I know I can always count on women in this forum to give good advice. I am a control freak and I find it very hard to accept the uncertainty and inability to plan. I try to use mindfulness and am somewhat successful but sometimes my mind just goes into overdrive and it is hard to stop. I do enjoy my life... I belong to an art club and take art lessons. My husband and I moved into a retirement community so I have less house to worry about and more activities to try. Because I am so lucky and have such a good life, I feel selfish when I want more. I think I just want my old life back and have yet to embrace the new one. Thank you to everyone who responded. It is good to know that I am not alone.
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I’m cultivating the “don’t wait” philosophy. I am still fiscally responsible- but, less so. I make much more effort to see the kids or invite them along or pay for something without worrying about whether it “makes sense”.
At the beginning I was afraid to make future plans. What if I can’t fulfill my promise to go to Japan with them next year? Well, if anyone drops dead from a heart attack they won’t be going either and no one will blame them - so I worry about it less. I also haven’t told many people about my cancer- fewer people to judge me for whatever i do.
Enjoy !
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Nkb, your approach is a good one!Keepmewell, why not ask yourself where the feelings of selfishness for wanting more come from and challenge that thinking a bit? Is it due to societal conditioning that women should be passive and happy with what they have and that it's unladylike to go after more? Is it belief of religious teaching that says the way to heaven is selflessness? Does the way you were raised by your parents's moral code continue to guide your life?
Be open to putting yourself first and allowing yourself even more than you already have. There is nothing wrong with abundance. You never know who is reading your life and thinking, “wow, I admire the way Keepmewell goes after the things she wants in life." Your actions may teach others to do the same for themselves.
One thing to admit is your life may be in a good place on many levels, but now you are dealing with the seriousness of mbc and that’s a game changer. Don’t minimize it. It’s natural that it will affect your approach to life.
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Devine- I think you have hit on what is the problem- being careful and selfless for so many years is hard to unlearn. Sometimes you just have to plunge in.
The funny part is I love spending money on DH who always says he doesn’t need it - but, he thinks I deserve all sorts of things - maybe we all have a lot of these issues- we just feel like we need to push the timeline on what we want due to the BC.
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Nkb, putting me first is still sometimes hard to do tho I’m much better at it than before mbc. I would always do things for “the family.” Yes, I had a good time, but it was a broader approach to life and I never tuned in very often to ask myself what it was * I * wanted. I always set about to make others’s dreams come true, forsaking my own dreams, not giving voice to my wants.
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Hi keepmewell,
I am another stage IV long term survivor ((8 years, no progression), though I know I am the exception not the norm. However, 8 years ago I had no idea how things would go. After surgeries, an ugly complication, radiation to my bone met etc., I decided to go back to work and live life the way I wanted. I love my job and feel as if it’s a calling so I’d like to continue working as long as possible, not to mention great health insurance! So, I just carried on as usual. I walked my youngest down the aisle, saw the births of my three grandchildren, traveled, learned to knit and take lots of “me” time. I eat a healthy, balanced diet that includes little meat, but that’s how I ate before bc. If I want a glass of wine or mixed drink, I have one and the same goes for any other treats that some consider off limits to cancer patients. Maybe I am too much of a sybarite, but I decided I was going to enjoy life on my terms whether I lived 8 months or 8 years!
Yes, I feel that strange sense of limbo from time to time and this weird feeling that the clock is just ticking down on progression free times, but I didn’t want to spend all of my time on various “protocols”, regimens etc. or chasing down the latest supplements and substances said to cure cancer. I just didn’t want my life to revolve around breast cancer.
Now, I am not recommending this to anyone and I certainly won’t claim that my rather indolent attitude is what has kept me NED because I have no idea if this is true. What I will say is that we each have to find the path that we can live with so we can enjoy life, however long or short it may be. Stage IV is a real trip for all of us and there is no one way to cope. Find what works for you.
I should add that my decisions may have been different if I had young children and that my bone met, like my breast tumor was a lazy grade 1. I don’t know what the future holds, but I have had 8 pretty darn good years and if I die tomorrow not a single regret. All the best
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I just ask myself, “would I regret not doing/buying this if I die soon?” If the answer is “yes,” then I do it/buy it. If I live longer than expected, I’ll figure it out. I would rather regret doing something, than regret not doing something. My philosophy may not work for everyone, but that’s how I deal with it.
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