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DMHGF
DMHGF Member Posts: 72

I was diagnosed and had 1 bad night. Moved forward with surgery, was node negative so had little to no anxiety. I really was thinking they would just make sure they got it, I would do a few weeks of radiation and take hormone treatments and I could handle that. I'm pretty organized and resilient. I could adapt to those changes.

So my tumor pathology came in. The tumor was twice the size thought and stage & grade increased. THEN I get the oncotype results. I scored 39. Ugh! I'm still highly ER+ and only slightly PR+ ( one result says negative). Bottom line is chemo is highly recommended. For the first time I am truly terrified. I have read these chemo threads and they range from "It sucked but wasn't that bad" to "The side effects were so bad I wanted to quit and take my chances"

Surgery, fine. Radiation, fine. Hormone treatment, not cool but fine. Chemo...I was not prepared for that at all. I'm freaking out a bit. I found out Thursday and haven't even told my family yet. I'm just not sure I can go through what I've been reading about. I KNOW I don't want to haha. I'm sure that's normal. I just don't even know how to prepare for this, physically but especially mentally. What do I need to prepare my family for? How do I prepare my brain to push through this part? It all just became so much more threatening and real! I've always been, and people around me expect me to be, strong, capable and not let things get to me but I do not feel like that person in the face of this. I really need to know what side effects can I reasonably expect regarding this treatment. I know everyone is different but what are some things that are pretty much unavoidable? How do I get prepared for them now?

So many of the post are upbeat and positive. I hope I can be in that place eventually. I'm far from it right now.

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  • ange743
    ange743 Member Posts: 78
    edited September 2019

    I'm sorry, I don't have any advice, as I could have written your post myself. I'm set to start chemo October 3 and I'm so scared! I need to get my head in a better place before it starts, but I'm at a loss as to how to do that. Sorry for chiming in, just know that you are not alone! 🥰

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    ange743 I really appreciate you chiming in !

    I do feel pretty overwhelmed but although I'm sorry you are too, I'm grateful to know I'm not alone. So many on here seem to have so many answers, plans...I am lost. Wigs, ports, foods to avoid constipation, hydration techniques, fasting.. holy crap! I don't even know where to start researching because I don't know what I'm even searching for! Again, so glad you're here. Maybe we can bounce stuff off each other as we discover it 😁


  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited September 2019

    I was eager to start chemotherapy because the cancer was growing visibly and I was having chemotherapy first, but I was also scared.

    I kept thinking of all of the healthy, happy cells in my body and the darkness that was about to befall them, but I reminded myself that the cancer would do much worse.

    I'm now 11 months past my final chemotherapy infusion, had a complete pathologic response, and the only parts of my body with discernable lingering side effects are my finger nails, toe nails, and ovaries.

    If I were told I had to go through another infusion, my biggest dreads would be acid reflux, taste changes, and steroid withdrawal.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited September 2019

    I would think that believing the drugs are killing cancer cells and saving your life is a good way to make it through the treatments. Also actively trying to abate the drugs effects, like fasting, taking allergy meds, drinking lots of water and icing.

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    WC3 Thank you! Knowing what you would dread, having been through it, helps me start wrapping my head around things! I'm so happy you did what you had to and are better for it. That's inspiring🤗

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    Meow13

    Yep you would think so, and I'm usually a very methodical thinker that way. Sorry to disappoint you and me but this is defying that logical side of me at the moment.

    Thanks for the advice. I'll look those things up!

    Take care

  • FarAwayToo
    FarAwayToo Member Posts: 255
    edited September 2019

    I remember I started reading the potential side effects (which are a LOT), and stopped midway, thinking "I don't want to know". The side effect I dreaded the most was chemo brain, and I didn't get it. I also was pretty scared of neuropathy, and got just a little bit. I would say don't try to prepare mentally, because you can't. You don't know how it's going to feel, and trying to imagine the worst is not helping. The second day after my first Taxol (infusion Friday, totally fine on Saturday, woke up Sunday and realized I was feeling effects of chemo) was when I understood that nothing could have prepared me for that. It wasn't even particularly bad, but hearing other people describe it wasn't the same as actually feeling it.

    I know, it's cliche, but try to take it one day at a time. I'm also a strong person and it was hard giving up independence - I couldn't drive to chemo, because with Taxol they pumped me up full of Benadryl, and I'm as good as dead after Benadyl, so I had hubby drive me. Some friends offered to drive, but I was a lot more comfortable with him. Accept the help if offered. If people say "let me know if you need any help", tell them what exactly you need help with. I loved when friends brought us dinner.

    In short, going through chemo was pretty bad, but now I don't even think it was particularly awful. AC was bad, Taxol -> Abraxane was a piece of cake, in retrospect.

    My hair came back the same - only less gray. Yes, my hair is BETTER after chemo.

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    FarAwayToo Thank you thank you for your honest response. I'm an order person and uncertainty and lack of control is not my norm. I'm grateful to know that someone like-minded dealt with it one day at a time and didn't crack haha. I am actually a bit (ok a LOT) freaked about losing my hair but if it comes back less gray then bonus!

    I'm still coming to terms with the accepting help but I'm sure it will come easier than I expect, depending on how truly crappy I feel.l ;-)

    Thanks again so much

  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited September 2019

    I think you’ll find that when you get your treatment plan in place, your brain will turn to “let’s do this” mode. Time to put your big girl panties and do what you have to. This will be a really sucky time in your life but it is temporary and you will move on.

    FWIW, I never got a port, never got a wig, mostly went on with my life through chemo other than *really* pushing the protein, which I highly recommend. My husband mostly took over cooking but other than that my life wasn’t overly impacted.

    When you know what you’ll be getting and when you’ll start, read up on the threads for women who started a month or two before you. There will be tons of advice. The thread for the month you start will provide lots of hand-holding. You’ll get through this. You really will.

  • Fairydragonfly
    Fairydragonfly Member Posts: 194
    edited September 2019

    My story was similar to yours. Small tumor, clean margins, no lymph nodes. My oncotype came back as 50.

    I just finished my chemo on September 9. My head and anxiety made it so much worse than it actually was. I just wanted to let you know that you can do this.

  • April0315
    April0315 Member Posts: 223
    edited September 2019

    I, too, thought I would just have a lumpectomy, some radiation and followup meds. So learning I had more cancer than they thought and needed chemo was a shock and something I didn't prepare for. And it for sure was something I didn't want to do. After each AC treatment, I called my onc nurse line, and asked to stop treatment. Each time she told me to give it a few more days. And sure enough, after a few days I felt better. At another point I was battling severe nausea, again I called the nurse, we tweaked the meds and she suggested that perhaps I hadn't gotten to the point of acceptance. That seemed to be the key. Once I accepted that I needed the chemo to give me the best odds, something shifted and everything was ok. However, I don't think you can just skip right from treatment plan to acceptance and grace. It takes time and a lot of emotions along the way.

    My last infusion will be this coming Tues. Everyone has different reactions and SE. Just do your best to get thru them as they creep up. You will learn little tips along the way. Allowing myself to nap and be gentle with myself as I was plugging along seemed to be the most helpful things I did.

    I wish you a successful course of chemo and minimal side effects. It's been a very interesting year, one of so much personal growth. While I hope never to do it again, I am grateful for my life and the lessons I have learned along the way.

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    April0315.....thank you so much. I read your reply over and over and I can feel in my heart that what you said about acceptance is true and exactly what I needed to hear.

    I agree that it's not a leap I can probably make today. But it will really stick with me and I'll know when I get there.

    I'll be thinking of you Tuesday. I think you are my new inspiration :-)

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    Fairydragonfly

    Congrats on getting to that milestone! It's super encouraging!! I'm coming around a bit. I mean I know I can and will do this but, like you said, your mind wants to go to the worst.

    I'll deal with it as it comes right? I can do this :-)

    (Hug)

  • DiagnosisDisruption
    DiagnosisDisruption Member Posts: 108
    edited September 2019

    Once I wrapped my head around having chemo, I just did it. I am one who always wants to be in control, so I finally thought, no, this is what I WANT to do, not what cancer wants me to do.

    I am 16 months out of the "hard" chemos, 9 months from targeted. It wasn't a walk in the park, but I was never sick, never in horrendous pain. The infusion center was so dialed into the side effects, we would head them off before they got a chance to happen. For the most part, it was a lot like walking around like you were on cold medicine for five months. My husband called it chemo stupid. And I couldn't taste food. But I worked/taught through it and lived my life at a (much, much) slower pace. Today I would be hard pressed to nail down one residual side effect that bugs me, and that might be the tinnitus and hearing loss from Carboplatin. Other than that, I feel great.

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    DiagnosisDisruption

    I think that's what I'm seeing as the real coping technique...acceptance. I am feeling my strength and fight kicking in a little more each time I hear that message. Thank you!! I am not going to focus on what could happen but just take what does happen each day and deal with it.

    I'm so glad you came through and are feeling so well. I get encouragement from every story like your's :-)

    (Hugs)

  • mightlybird01
    mightlybird01 Member Posts: 217
    edited September 2019

    DMHGF, you already did the best thing you could possibly do, join this community! You will find how many people have done this before you, and managed ok. You will be ok. Just read and learn and get this over with. Expect a few bad days per cycle but also expect to bounce back each cycle. After you experience the bounce back, you'll be more at peace with going in the next time.

    I am not quite done (3 more infusions to go) but so far side effects were very manageable. I did not have to go for work out of the house, so I pretty much decided that I will try and do everything as much as I possible can as I did before. And honestly, I managed close to 90% of everything I did before. This includes running my little horse farm (4 horses) and walking my dog every single day. I did not have to skip one single day of dog walking, or mucking stalls. There were some days where I felt out of breath and exhausted and wanted my husband to come along just to make sure I won't collapse, but I never did, and according to my husband I have never really noticeable slowed down during our walks. It just felt to me more exhausting, but I could still do it just fine. Some of the very heavy lifting that comes along with having horses I let my husband do, but that's pretty much it. I think I was and still am even more active during chemo than before, as it helps me not to think too much. My work is 100% computer work, and I did significantly reduce that, but not in exchange to lying around sick and miserable, but do more gardening, play with my horses, and stuff like that. I know I am lucky I could do what I enjoy most, not having to worry about work. If you have some hobby, that you really like doing, maybe try and take that to a new level during chemo, spend extra time on it. For me, it is the horses, always has been my life long passion and sanity check. Before chemo, I panicked and thought I have to board my horses somewhere else, as I won't be able to do it all, but I am so glad I did not and had them home for encouragement to get up and go, and even have more time to spend with them then ever.



  • mightlybird01
    mightlybird01 Member Posts: 217
    edited September 2019

    Also, I meant to add, I did cut all refined sugar from my diet. Since your taste will be off, this was not hard for me. I always wanted to try that but never managed before chemo. I always ate very healthy, mostly plant based diet, but I also ate quite a few sweets each day. I cut those out completely (plus my daily bottle of beer), lost some 20 pounds along the way and I must say I feel amazing for it. I am now at the weight I always wanted to be and I think have more energy simply due to the fact I don't eat refined sugar.

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    mightlybird01

    I am finding this community invaluable for sure!! Everyone's story gives me faith and helps calm my nerves.

    I can absolutely believe that your horses played a big part in your coping. I am an animal person and, although I have awesome people in my life, my animals are my soft place to land.

    I own my own business and spend 12-16 hours a day on the phone and computer at homr. I know my situation is probably a blessing compared to having to dress and go out. I am afraid though that I won't be able to put those consistent hours in and will fall behind. I already did with all of the Dr appts, tests and surgery.

    I have done keto for the last 2 years so refined sugar won't be my problem. I hate to think I will have to ADD things to my diet that takes me out of the keto realm. It has been such an awesome lifestyle...so much energy, low cholesterol, good blood pressure. But again, whatever it takes...it's temporary. I just have to keep telling myself that.

    My greatest "hobby" right now is my 6mo old grandson (my first). He is my happy place. I'm just praying that I keep enough energy reserved to play with him every chance I'm given.

    No matter the short term cost I know I have to do everything I can to see him grow up. It will be worth anything I end up going through.

  • Del13
    Del13 Member Posts: 198
    edited September 2019

    I start chemo Tuesday, to help ease my fear, I researched all the possible side effects that could happen, if I need diapers, pads, butt cream, I have it, grocery shopped cabinets and fridge full!! This has helped me so much, my mine set has changed, I’m preparing for a battle!! Genetic testing tomorrow, wig shopping lunch with my sisters, I’m in full battle mode!!

    Cancer diagnosis is a mind game, A daily battle

    My cancer has messed with the wrong bitch!!

    I’m ready!! Ladies we can and will eat this!!

    Hugs!!!

  • VL22
    VL22 Member Posts: 851
    edited September 2019

    Add me to the list of people who thought no chemo and then WHAM! My initial reaction was complete terror because it meant my cancer was more aggressive and potentially deadly than I thought. I welcomed chemo because I wanted to do everything possible to stay alive. I had my last chemo treatment 21 months ago. I feel fantastic now - although I do have cholesterol issues I never had before and I’ve always worked out, don’t drink, vegetarian etc and I’m having trouble getting it into the normal range. My Dr says it is definitely from chemo.

    I had nausea during AC and severe muscle pain with Taxol - just a really unusual amount. I don’t say this to scare you - because if I had to do it all again I would.

    It’s like once you start you just go into fighter mode. You do what you have to do. It’s actually so hard to believe that so much time has passed since my last treatment .

    You have this - and you have the support here.

    Good luck!!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited September 2019

    I knew after the biopsy pathology that I would have to do chemo since I had a larger tumor and was Her2+, so my advantage was that I didn't have to wait for OncotypeDx or surgical pathology to inform that decision. I am also an order and control person, and very independent. Both of my children were in college at the time, one local and one out of state, and I wanted to disrupt their lives as little as possible. My husband works long days, with a long commute, on a military base - so I was basically on my own a lot to deal with things. I had five surgeries in the 14 weeks prior to chemo (long story) so started behind the 8-ball a bit, but I still did the grocery shopping, all the cooking, paid the bills, and cleaned my house. I did not have any infrastructure of help locally, no family nearby, as we had just moved to this city for my husband's last active duty assignment - but I did not require help with meals or rides during chemo. My husband did go with me on the day of chemo, but he took no other days off. I do have a few good friends who checked on me periodically, but I really didn't need help with much, and honestly, didn't want it. I tried to keep my life outside of immediate treatment as normal as possible, so I just did fun regular things with them. I did have leave from work, mostly due to the string of surgeries, but also because I worked in a bio-hazardous area of the hospital and my oncologist didn't want me to be there during active treatment. I did return to work after chemo was done. I was tired in the few days after each of the six infusions - which were on Thursday, but didn't really have issues with nausea. I found my oncologist and the nursing staff were on top of medicating side effects quite well, and attentive to anything new that popped up as I went along. I did lose my taste for some things, but still ate as much protein as I could between infusions to keep my red blood cell count as high as possible. I don't think you have to change doing Keto as the protein component will help you. You may struggle with the fat a bit if you have any reflux (some chemotherapeutic agents can cause irritation) so you may have to adjust that. Due to the targeted therapy for Her2+ I received with chemo I had some GI distress, but not enough to be a real problem. By the end of the first week I went out to lunch, shopped, went to social events, etc. I attended a wedding two days after treatment #4, and a surprise 80th birthday party for my mother-in-law out of town a few days after my last chemo. I put together a recipe book of all her recipes, typed it and had it bound, and had no problem getting that done between treatment #5 and #6. I did have some minor lingering side effects, but for the most part they resolved by the six week point after the last infusion, and I was feeling pretty good. Some of the things I did to help maintain normalcy were to cook and freeze meals in case I wasn't feeling up to cooking from scratch, I also stocked my pantry just before treatment so I would have all I needed, and I leaned on crock pot meals at that point also. I received steroids before, during, and shortly after each infusion so I embraced the steroid induced energy and made sure all laundry was done, clean sheets were on the bed, bills paid, house cleaned. That helped me feel ok about taking things easy in the few days after treatment, I had no tasks weighing on me that needed to be done. I tried to be proactive by taking some supplements, approved by my oncologist, to help with side effects - L-Glutamine to help ward off neuropathy, vitamin B6 and Acetyl L Carnitine. I iced my hands and feet so I wouldn't lose, or have damage to, my fingernails and toenails. Some also feel that this can help reduce neuropathy as well. When I went out of the house I wore a wig and I also had a hairpiece made from my long hair that I cut before chemo that I wore some of the time, wore make-up and dressed like I always would. I am all for doing whatever makes you comfortable, but it was important to me that when I was out and about that nobody knew I was receiving chemo - it made me feel like my regular self. For me, that time period was just something to get through with as little disruption as possible, I put my head down and went one step at a time. This was my approach, which isn't for everyone, but it worked for me. You can do this, just align your thinking with the necessity of doing it and the benefit it is providing, and you'll get through it. It may help you to regard the drugs, not as your enemy, but the cancer's enemy.

  • LaCombattante
    LaCombattante Member Posts: 226
    edited September 2019

    In my case, chemo was unavoidable: I had recurrence in auxiliary nodes, with six nodes affected.

    The biggest challenge for me was to wrap my mind around the fact that I was entering a 'high risk' category... I did have bad days, wallowing in self pity, but it did not last long. Establishing the treatment plan, deciding on the degree of surgery, etc put me back into action mode pretty fast.

    I am now almost through my chemo; the last infusion is on Tuesday, April0315 and I are on the same schedule:). With chemo almost behind me, i can say with certainty that for me it was doable. I've been working limited hours through EC and went back half time when I started Taxol. I continued my walks and hikes, less than I used to do, of course, but still:)

    Thé way I look at it... I wanted to do everything posto up my chances to never deal with BC again. In my case it meant adding chemo to the mix, so I went ahead with the treatment.

    Yes, it felt so very odd to be made sick in order to get better, but it is what it is.

    We are all scared of unknown - this is normal. Once you have the treatment plan in place, it will, hopefully, get better. You can do it !

    Hugs.


  • Runrcrb
    Runrcrb Member Posts: 577
    edited September 2019

    DMHGF, there are many different chemo protocols and your next step should be meeting with an oncologist to determine the best for your situation. Be sure you can talk to your oncologist and that you trust her/him. This will be your doctor for the long haul. Other than hair loss and some cracked skin on my fingertips toward the end, I barely remember my side effects. Radiation was much harder for me than chemo.

    I did have a port as we knew I was going to have chemo when my surgeon did my mastectomy. My wig was great- got more compliments on my hair during those 6 months than any time before or after.

    As to telling your family, honestly your treatment plan is designed to remove cancer from your body. I would expect everyone who loves you wants that too.

  • Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Member Posts: 609
    edited September 2019

    I agree with everything expressed here ...I finished my chemo almost 6 months ago. I was also very scared, but it's done ... you will done too. Chemo threads was very useful to me. I have no more advice than the ones you already got. This is a great community, you have come to the right place. Good luck! ❤

  • StAuggie
    StAuggie Member Posts: 52
    edited September 2019

    After my biopsy results came back with cancer, and that it was high grade, I didn't truly understand the ramifications. I met with the breast surgeon a few days later. I was expecting surgery, reconstruction, maybe radiation, hopefully not chemotherapy. That was not the path laid out by the surgeon. I was shocked when she said I needed chemo first, and had trouble wrapping my mind around it. This was not the plan! :) It finally started to get through my head when she said, "Surgery is not going to save your life." If I wanted to live, I needed chemo. I met with my oncologist and got a plan of action, got my port in, pet scan, echocardiogram...all of it done in five days. Chemo started eight days from my meeting with the surgeon. It was a whirlwind, but it felt good to be taking needed steps.

    Cancer took my plans and tossed them up in the air. I am a planner, and I like to know and control what's happening next. Cancer took all of that out of my hands, and it's been a hard adjustment. But I went to each and every chemo, and am dealing with each and every side effect, with the mindset that this is necessary, and I want to live. This is helping me to live.

    I had four treatments of AC--Andriamycin, and Cytoxan. I never threw up, and nausea was pretty well managed by my meds. I needed the Neupogen shots also with this. Treatments on Thursday, Thursday night was a little rough with flu aches. Friday the shot, and aches. I didn't eat much those days thru Sunday--Sunday I started feeling better, and was able to be back to work on Monday. Lighter duty--I was moving very slow and was weak, but I could do it. My employer was amazing and accommodating.

    I started 12 weekly Taxol treatments after that. My symptom severity has varied--some weeks I have a lot of muscle pain and neuropathy, other weeks it was minor. I have been able to work four out of five days most of the time.

    None of it was unbearable! We do what we have to do so that we can pick up the pieces and carry on with our lives. Changed, but living!

    People would ask what they could do--one of the things that truly helped our family was the mealtrain website. Someone set that up, and we opened up the dates for a meal on the days when symptoms were normally the worst and I just wasn't up to cooking. Having a homemade meal delivered to our house was such an incredible help. Accept the help when it's offered!

    Best wishes, and I'm glad you found this site. It has been an enormous source of information and support for me, and I hope it is for you as well. <3

  • Homemadesalsa
    Homemadesalsa Member Posts: 153
    edited September 2019

    Here's another vote for the Meal Train website. We also got meals on chemo days (long days, plus an hour drive from home) and later in treatment I had a schedule for rides to radiation, which was 1.5 hours drive away. So nice to be picked up and dropped off at home afterwards...

    I tried hard to keep moving during chemo. Some days it was just taking the geriatric dog around the block, but especially after AC I recovered quickly, and was able to go to the gym, ride the fat bike in the snow, or even go skiing. During Taxol I never felt as low as day 3 after AC, but felt like I was fighting a cold or the flu for the 12 weeks I had it.

    Now that all that is in the rear view more than a year, I can see it clearly as all being do-able. Like everyone else says, the worst part is figuring out your treatment plan. Once I got "on the bus," I had less fear and apprehension. You got this!

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited September 2019

    homemadesalsa - I love your big smile in that pic - says much about you and your strength!

  • DMHGF
    DMHGF Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2019

    You women are all awesome. Just needed to say that :-)

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