Survivor guilt?

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SchnauzerMom
SchnauzerMom Member Posts: 374

I know that some past posts have touched briefly upon the issue of survivor guilt. I do believe it is relatively common. Anybody else out there who is experiencing this?

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  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited June 2019

    hi schauzermom - do you feel guilty that you are still living with MBC while there are others that have passed away

  • SchnauzerMom
    SchnauzerMom Member Posts: 374
    edited June 2019

    Philly, thanks for your reply--I appreciate it. Yes, I do feel guilty that others have died, and I'm still here. I'm very grateful to be here, but almost embarrassed, if that makes any sense. Been at this a long time. First in 1987, recurrence in 1989,mets in 2012. Since my mets diagnosis, four casual friends have died within a few weeks to a two years after their diagnoses. My niece was recently diagnosed, and I just ache for her and my sister. I know there is a randomness, and I'm not responsible, but still .. . . Lovely person (20 years younger than I) whom I taught with for 18 years just died after less than a month's diagnosis. Feel almost ashamed to go to her service tomorrow. Not sure that I can.

    Again, I do appreciate your response. Been a rough week. Usually I'm stable and solid.

  • Micmel
    Micmel Member Posts: 9,450
    edited June 2019

    No one has a blueprint to how this is going to go. Hold your head high, and never feel guilty for living the life you have been given. You're here for a reason, you're needed.. it's ok to be sad for the families and offer them your best. But don't feel bad because you have lived. If you cannot go, that's also ok... just Do you, and you can respect others along the way in your own manner. Cancer is not easy, no matter how you try to frame it, it can never fit. When you feel strong. Feel strong.... when you feel weak. Crawl into bed.... just the fact alone that you feel that guilt at all shows you're a good person. Be good to yourself..

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited June 2019

    Love your post, Micmel, and I agree with it.

    Shnauzermom, I don't feel one shred of guilt. I've made the comment before, that I don't believe there's an omnipotent deity in the sky anxious to fill a daily quota of souls to enter the Pearly Gates. This deity isn't up there going, “Hmmm... I need 1,200 today and have 1,196, so my final picks are A, Bea, Cee and...oh for the heck of it, I'll go with Zee even tho Dee is the obvious choice." I don't feel like I'm still here because someone else took my place.

    I want to live well for as long as I can. My being diagnosed with mbc has nothing to do with anyone else's life trajectory. There have been a number of people in my community who've passed away since I was diagnosed 8+ years ago including a co-worker's 7 year old son from leukemia, and while it sometimes shocks me (two weeks ago a neighbor same age as me had a heartattack on his front porch and died), and I feel many sad emotions and think of how unfair it is, I don't feel guilt.

  • SchnauzerMom
    SchnauzerMom Member Posts: 374
    edited June 2019

    Thanks for your kind words, Micmel. DivineMrs.M., I agree with you that there is no quota system. (But our feelings sometimes aren't logical. Wish I could reason with myself.)

  • LoveFromPhilly
    LoveFromPhilly Member Posts: 1,308
    edited June 2019

    Schnauzermom, so sorry its been a rough week :(

    I think that when we are faced with other people's death, it definitely can bring up the questions and ponderings of "why them and not me???!!"

    I do not know that I would call what I feel "guilt" per se, and as a person with a Jewish cultural heritage, we know what guilt is, trust me! LOL!

    However, I absolutely DO ponder the why's and why not's of this disease. Why am I doing as well as I am versus another person? For my brain to wrap around these questions, I usually turn to my medical and scientific understandings of the human body and health. Sometimes this does help answer the question for me and sometimes it leaves things an even bigger mystery. So then I think I must turn to "luck of the draw" in some many ways.

    Survivor's guilt is real, and there are many therapists that help people work through it. In wars, those who survive experience it quite a bit.

    I do not think of being "at war" with my body and cancer. I see it more as a disease process that my body is going through. So maybe this could help you? Working with the semantics of the language around cancer a bit? That we are not winning anything here, and we are not physically in an actual war. But we are people, like many others, who are managing living with a crappy disease.

    Sometimes, and this may sound morbid, I wonder how many of us kinda are ready to go...the struggle of being on medications is real. Our MOs are always trying to help us have the best QOL. I think of the people in my life who have passed along in death processes as lucky in a way. My belief is that they were here and had their purpose fulfilled in life. And are lucky enough to move on - wherever that may be. Some folks believe we are alive and then we are dead and that is all, we return to Mother Earth. Some folks believe in reincarnation. Some folks believe in heaven. I can only hope that the death process has brought relief in some way to those that it has greeted.

  • SchnauzerMom
    SchnauzerMom Member Posts: 374
    edited June 2019

    Philly, thank you again! A couple of your insights truly resonate with me.

    Like you, I have never thought of cancer as a war or even a battle. (And for myself I hate the "fighter", "fought cancer courageously" imagery. I'm not even mad at my body--I think it is doing the best job it can, and sometimes I even thank it for hanging in there. I think of it as living with a disease, as you said, and maybe not even the most terrible of possible diseases.

    The second point you made is "kinda ready to go." I know. (And neither of us is being morbid.) My wonderful late mother-in-law, after preparing a meal, would say, "Well, let's eat and get it over with" There is something oddly seductive and even comforting in the thought of "die and get it over with." And I'm not suicidal. I'm mainly at peace, and don't want to leave this good life and people I love. But we do get tired. And sad with loss.

    Thank you so much for understanding!

  • Lainey64
    Lainey64 Member Posts: 740
    edited June 2019

    Wow, what an interesting thread. I love all of these posts.

    Schauzermom, in answer to your original question - No, I have never felt guilty for surviving. It's a continuous battle and I refuse to feel guilty for still being here. I feel very tired sometimes as I know we all do.

    I feel very blessed that I'm still here and able to travel as much as I do. I'm always getting comments by coworkers like "are you going on vacation again?? where to this time??" I used to feel guilty about taking so many mini vacations, but I'm over that now. Until someone walks a day in my shoes, they can't judge me.

    I have compassion and feel sadness for all those that have passed before me from this horrible disease but will continue to feel grateful and appreciate every day I have left. I live in honor and memory of my mom, my best friend's mom, a dear friend I lost to cancer 5 years ago and countless others.

  • SandiBeach57
    SandiBeach57 Member Posts: 1,617
    edited June 2019

    Yes, I have survivor guilt. It is difficult to look at the faces of the young children that my deceased cancer friends have left behind. They never got to finish raising their children.

    I wake up every morning and I am grateful for another day, but it still hurts that they are gone.

  • pajim
    pajim Member Posts: 2,785
    edited June 2019

    I have also had the [fleeting] thoughts of "get it over with". I think we look at our deaths more than other people because the date is closer to us. Doesn't mean I'm interested in dying any time soon.

    I don't feel guilt at still being alive either. I'm doing the best I can. I hope the people who have died did the best they could. Maybe I'm luckier. Maybe something else. I feel badly for them and their families, and I cry when they're gone, but their lives are not mine.

    Those that have died would not want you to feel guilt. They would want you to live as long as you possibly can (or want). That's what I wish for all of you who live on after I'm gone.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited June 2019

    I don’t feel guilty but I am sad for those who have passed away esp Moms with young children. My son has several friends who have lost their mothers to cancer. Both much younger than me. I know their deaths have scared him because I have BC and that’s understandable. I do try to keep my game face on but internally I am a nervous wreck sometimes like right before a mammogram like the one scheduled for this Friday. I will be 8 years out this August God willing.

    I lost 2 brothers and 2 best friends all who died suddenly. Only God knows why their lives ended too soon.

    Diane

  • JFL
    JFL Member Posts: 1,947
    edited June 2019

    SchnauzerMom, I do find myself feeling guilty sometimes. I feel like my case was so hopeless from the beginning, with very advanced mets that required me to be hospitalized and on a 24-hour IV drip for weeks upon diagnosis, pregnant and within weeks of death if I didn't have my baby, while trying to hold off as long as possible to give my baby longer for his lungs to develop and a better chance of survival. Chemo and other treatments were not working and I needed to have the baby so I could be put on hormone therapy to shut down the party of estrogen and growth hormones surging through my body, although I was only 7 months pregnant at the time. I think all my doctors thought I was pretty much at the end when I was diagnosed with mets. Then, after I failed my first line of treatment, my liver mets further exploded to where they were taking over 70% of my liver. I have cycled through many lines of treatment and progressed many times. How am I still around? I feel guilty for all of the young mothers I knew who passed in the first year or two of early stage diagnosis and for the young women who never had the opportunity to have children due to this disease. I feel for the "lost" husbands with young children left to figure things out after their wives have passed. I feel for the people on BCO who have surprisingly gone more quickly than expected, many of whom seemed to have a much more "favorable", less aggressive cancer profile. It is my nature to be concerned more about the well being of others than myself at times and as much as I would advise someone else not to feel guilty, and I know rationally that I should not feel guilty, I can't avoid feeling that way myself.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited June 2019

    Many of us, after getting an mbc diagnosis, do a lot of soul searching. I certainly did. I already knew who and what was important in my life and was always aware of and appreciated the good things that came my way. Nevertheless, I was in a free fall after being diagnosed with mbc. So the soul searching began. Over time, what I found was that I craved more meaningful actions and interactions and started recognizing too much of the extra, unnecessary clutter I was surrounded by, in terms of casual acquaintances, activities I no longer enjoyed, things I did out of obligation and even household clutter. So I gradually addressed those issues, learned to say no, to be more honest with myself and others and to seek out more of what I really loved.

    All of this is to say that I learned to place more value my life. I saw how living with mbc could teach others that one can still live a full life even in the face of a crisis. We don’t know if some day, someone who knows us will experience a life changing event and may reflect on the way we lived with mbc as an example of how one can still move forward in really tough times.

    If I believe everyone’s life is valuable, I must include myself and not assign levels of valuable-ness. We are all valuable, no one more or less than the other. As women, we are so often conditioned from a young age to put others first. But now I reject the idea that my life is less important than someone else's. My life matters a great deal to me. It matters a great deal to my loved ones.


  • Chicagoan
    Chicagoan Member Posts: 728
    edited June 2019

    Well said Divine. MBC has taught me to value myself and this extraordinary gift of life.

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