symptoms worsening... anyone else have this on Arimidex?
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Bessie, I totally agree with you. What works for one person, may not work 4 others. It appears the joint pain, hot flashes are across the board for all of these types of drugs. I agree that a person should keep trying to see which one works best for them. I am too worried to try another after 6 years since my SEs are similar to Armidex and others. Thanks for the clarification. Take care.
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On Arimidex Four Years and Suffering From Severe Bouts of Diarrhea
I began taking Arimidex in March 2015 and my oncologist said I would be on it for 5 years. Well, over the last year and a half I've suffered from terrible bouts of diarrhea. It's not a daily happening. Sometimes I suffer for 3 days and then the symptoms clear up. Then, when I least expect it, the diarrhea rears its ugly head. Again, there's no specific timetable. The foods I eat have not changed in any way over the years of being on this medication, so I'm concerned. When I talked to her about this, she trivialized the diarrhea and said the benefits far outweighed the side effects. Next year will be my fifth year and already she's talking about taking this med for another additional 5 years.
Is there anyone out there who opted out of another 5 years and have there been any concerns of cancer returning once we stop taking this pill? Is there anyone out there who stopped this medication during the 4th year? Can anyone recommend a homeopathic or naturopathic alternative?
Also, I started out with osteoporosis and it is now classified as severe. My oncologist wanted me to started Fossamax and I said "NO" loud and clear. She was not happy with my decision but makes no more mention about it. Any feedback on these side effects/issues?
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pcelfit, what is your diagnosis? And what is your age? Those two factors make all the difference in the world as to how much benefit you will get from continuing for another 5 years on Arimidex versus how much you put yourself at risk by stopping at 5 years.
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I had bad nausea that started around my Lupron injections (which I had for 3 months before starting anastrozole), it took doctors a few months to figure it out but I went on a PPI (pantoprazole, I think) and that seems to have stabilized it. I had an endoscopy that confirmed gastritis. GI doc think we can try to taper off the medication in 6 months or so, which was encouraging as I don't want to be on one for five years. After PPI she'll taper me down using over the counter meds like Prilosec. Sounds a lot like CindyNY's experience!
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Well... I stopped the Arimidex for two and a half weeks, and I felt no better. I restarted the Arimidex and no change.
Its not the Arimidex making me cough, heartburn, nausea and headaches I. started the PPI, and my heartburn is gone but the cough lingers. I am told now its postnasal drip from allergies or asthma. Allergies. Maybe..
I started Effexor XR same time as Arimidex 2 years ago. I am thinking its the Effexor.
In any event, I had a chest xray and an abdominal ultrasound and am waiting for results ordered by my MO.
Will keep you posted. Btw, one thing that is related to Arimidex I think is dry eyes. I just read that if your eyes are dry, they can feel tired which tricks your brain into thinking you are exhausted. This is me for sure. ...
wallan
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Can you stand to hear one more diarrhea story? Arimidex- severe diarrhea. Stopped for couple weeks. Started letrozole. More of the same. MO says “diarrhea is not a common SE. Go to your gastroenterologist. “. Stopped Letrozole. Diahrreah stops. Restart letrozole minus calcium and D supplements. Diarrhea resumes. It’s the freaking drug! MO says he can put me on tam knowing fully well that I have a thickened uterine lining and have had uterine biopsy( not fun!) I will not take tam due to risk of uterine C
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Wallan- at my last vist to the eye Dr he said he wants me using Refresh Optics, lubricant eye drops, 2x a day. I had used it a year ago for a month or so, for dry eye, I can't remember exactly how long or times a day. So I asked him for how long; until I see him again - that's a year out! Dry eye it is.
Where your eyes felt tired, I wear contacts lenses and they just felt dirty all the time. I was tossing lenses out too frequently.
Old Irish saying from my mom - if it's not your ass, it's your elbow. It's one thing or another. ❤
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So I saw the oncology nurse practitioner today for my 3 month followup.
She thinks I need to change from Arimidex to either Letrozole or Tamoxifen. She is setting up a meeting with the oncologist. In two years since my last diagnosis, I have never met the oncologist, so this will be good.
I have been feeling depressed and it is worsening. The NP said this is Arimidex. She also is setting me up to talk to an oncology social worker who specializes in sexuality and cancer. I am very sore and dry and have no libido at all. Not too good for the marriage.
I just love my NP. She is accessible and compassionate. Unfortunately, because of healthcare cuts, she may lose her job. 60 nurses and clinical aides have been cut in the last month and more cuts are coming in September she told me. Nurse practitioners jobs are commonly on the chopping block. I sure hope she is spared. I am thinking of saying something or writing a letter or something to protect her.
Wallan
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So... I saw the cancer social worker. She says my depression is "situational". She thinks I never got over the first BC episode because it was harsh and scary. When I got the second BC, all those repressed feelings flood me. Hmmm.... She doesn't necessarily think its the Arimidex in other words or that its "pathological".
She says to think about my job and how stressful it is... stress is very bad for recurrance she said. And she said that I have body image issues... not that I don't like the way it looks per se, but that my body has betrayed me. I never said anything like that, but she said it is a common issue with BC and tends to kill libido.
So my side effects are being exasperated by my stuck grief and fear from my first BC compounded now with my second BC. She said I have had it twice now, so maybe I should reprioritze things and start to consider ME.
All in all, it was an enlightening session. I go back in two weeks. She said to start having something, anything fun or enjoyable to look forward to each day and to look after myself first. Make this a priority.
For dry vaginal area, she said vitamin E works very well. And to learn to relax by cuddling before sex.
I must say, I do feel grief over BC and like my future has been sort of stolen. I never usually tell anyone this because I feel guilty about feeling "negative". I mean, my friends and family tell me to be optimistic, its your attitude, look at how so and so is dealing with their cancer, so upbeat and hopeful. It puts pressure on me to happy and cheerful. People at work say breast cancer doesn't kill anyone anymore. So, I act like it hardly affected me at all. This "acting" all contributes to the depression apparently. Who knew? Shouldn't we act "as if?"
Any comments?
wallan
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wallan Your story resonates with me, for sure. I also have #1 and #2 breast cancer in my history, as you can see on my signature.
What the social worker pointed out sounds really good to think about. Going around Fake-Happy and Pretend Fine is exhausting. And, you pay a price for doing that, of course. Yes, those other people in our lives do NOT know what this really feels like. So, they say the wrong thing partly out of ignorance, and somewhat out of wishful thinking.
You said: "People at work say breast cancer doesn't kill anyone anymore." Oh, dear! I hate to rock their world, but they should read some of the parts of this forum if they actually think that!
I do think we have to be honest, with ourselves, and with our close people in our lives, and admit in a safe place how scared, angry, etc. we are.
Is your NP or PCP someone to talk to about depression? Sometimes we need chemical assistance to turn a corner, when we're in a negative self-talk spiral. For acute depression, sometimes we need BOTH the talk therapy guidance to re-train, and also medical/chemical assistance. There is actual re-wiring of synapses and learned behavior to unlearn, and chemical help/anti-depressants can sometimes put us in a better frame of mind to manage that retraining to build a habit for healthier thoughts and outlooks.
I don't love the sentence in your post about the social worker saying that "stress is bad for recurrence," because that sounds worrisomely as though she is implying that there's a magic answer for preventing cancer, and as though a stress-free life will prevent further problems. It also smacks a bit of 'blame the victim,' and seems completely inappropriate for her to have said. My oncologist has said that evidence is not clear about that being the case at all. People with very relaxed and stress-free lives also get cancer, of course! The list of possible contributing factors and their relative importance and interactions with our immune systems (+ genetics + environment, etc.) is very complex. A social worker is not a medical professional who knows about cancer, even if she is good at helping a person navigate the mental health stuff surrounding it. I don't think it's appropriate for a mental health provider to throw out causation assertions that can turn into worry-bombs in your head. I think her guidance should be reserved for supporting you as you manage your fear, anger, frustration, stress, etc., not speculate about your cancer in any way. That's my two cents on Boundaries, Staying In One's Own Lane, and Scope of Practice. Ahem and Grrr.
What you say about admitting that you're walking around with a more cheerful attitude than reflects your inner true feelings is so important. I have very dear people in my life who support me, and I have safe places to tell people the truth about my fears and anxiety about my diagnosis. But, there's a bit of Friend Fatigue that sets in, so we can't REALLY go around sharing EVERYTHING about how we really feel, or we drive those people away! So, we each really have to find our own magic balance of self-talk and self-care, combined with sharing with others, and getting guidance/therapy/medication if needed, and exercise, and also some happy things to look forward to, or whatever it is that provides us a stable-enough mental health platform to be functional and Living Our Life Despite Unknowns!
My own personal magical formula includes prioritizing daily exercise, and scheduling Fun Units. Examples: a concert, a phone call with someone I'm close to, a walk whether alone or with DH or with a friend or sister, a bike ride, a strawberry milkshake, a hike, a movie, a fun meal, music playing or listening, a distracting and fun show to stream, etc. Whatever floats your boat; everyone's list will be different, of course. I try to schedule/plan for one of these things per week. This gives me something to look forward to. The planning and scheduling of Fun Units makes me feel that I'm in the driver's seat, after so much stuff I haven't been in control of.
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Thanks HikingLady. i don't really have people I can share my fears about with BC. I too do not want to acknowledge it. But, I must. I need to accept that my future is uncertain. Which to me is not an easy task at all. I'm still pissed off about it all I guess. I do act optimistic and do not talk about my BC with anyone ever. I can sense that people in my life need that or just don't care about hearing it. I do believe that optimisim and hope will carry me through. But I don't feel these things. I am trying to will it or "act as if" thinking it will just come. What I am finding is that then I am expected to just be back to normal when really I have minimal energy, my joints hurt, I get migraines regularly, I am forgetful and I tire easily physically and emotionally. I guess I want to be back to my old normal too. But I am not. I guess that is when I feel frustrated and grief. That I hide. Because I too think why can I not just get on with it?
Depression sucks. I am not too depressed where I can't function at all, but I am teary -eyed, feel hopeless, lack motivation to do what I need or want to doand sometimes think suicidal thoughts which scare me. If it really is just a matter of tweaking my lifestyle and thinking patterns as the social worker suggested, then I can't wait to do that.
It really is amazing to me how much the BC experience affected me mentally and emotionally. Thanks for your tips. My first order of priority is to find something to look forward to every day, even if its just my morning coffee.
wallan
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I just read Graciez5, sometimes I read a post and feel like I could have written it. I too had early detection, small size .6MM , low grade diagnosis. It will be 3 years this fall from diagnosis. Lumpectomy and accelerated partial rads. Since it was ER/PR+ HER2- and I am post menopause, I went on Aromatase very reluctantly. I did read and read at first, and retreated from reading for the last year. Now I am experiencing multiple issues, and question how much is from hormone therapy. I seriously like my MO but she does down play the SEs. I have lost at least 1/3 of my hair, significant bone loss and right now am on a third UTI and feeling extremely lightheaded. MO was talking about switching to Tamoxifen due to bone loss, but nothing I read sounds like it will be any better. Just not sure about continuing hormone therapy...
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labmum- wow- your stats are identical to mine ( 1b etc )- including low recurrence
risk etc- I started tamoxifin @ 3 weeks ago
( i am 63 )- ( waited months cos constantly weighing my 3% reduction benefit agsinst the risks of drug . Sadly, there are just no guarantees- recurrence can happen even on tamoxifen - it boils down to how
vomfortable you are in the decision
should the beast return - like-
regret-wise- initially i contemplated femara but nixed the idea cos I i have osteopaenia- I cannot comment on
aromatase therapy as I have not
tried it- however, i havent had any
side rffects from tamoxifin ( yet )-
the silent ones lurk ( eg: uterine lining
thickening ) and I am always on
the fence about whether i have
unnecesarily put this drug in my body
and opened up a whole new roster
of issues- like dvt etc- but unfirtunately,
with cancer , we are only given
the odds- and its up to us to
gamble on the right call when its
a pathology like ours. You have completed
3 years and that is great- i understand
and can relate to your indecisiveness-
for me- its only been 3 weeks - but
I totally get it- If there is any offer
to you at this point, if you choose to
try tamoxifin- is that women ecperience
side effects to varying degrees.
In my case- I havent had any yet- but
its only been 3 weeks- this may be
the same with you- i undrrstand that I
am going to have to bring up
the uterine lining/ovary thing at my
next mo appt- plus enquire about
aspirin ( re: clots)- but if i continue
to feel no side effects- which i totally
realize may just be too early to come
out- I guess i will stay on it-
why not? A few women have suggested
to “ try it “- and i took thise words
to hesrt cos i couldnt let another
month roll by with the box gathering more
dust on my dresser
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Wallan, please consider taking magnesium and vitamin D. They helped me immensely when I had Tamoxifen fueled depression.
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If you are dealing with GERD as a SE, you might want to try taking melatonin at night if you aren't already. DH had GERD for years (associated with a genetic syndrome of his) and I found research on melatonin/GERD for him and convinced him to try it. It took a few weeks, but now he is almost completely free from GERD. I also take melatonin, but not because of GERD.
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So thanks everyone again.
Magnesium and vitamin D... interesting. I will try.
Melatonin for GERD.. I have not heard of that connection. Can you take melatonin while you are on antidepressants?
wallan
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PPIs can cause rebound reflux that can take weeks to recover from. Have you tried DGL? Also, pepcid (generic is fine) works as an h2 allergy med, so it may also help your cough if it is reflux related.
I've skimmed through some of the posts but will go back to reread everything. Wallan, so interesting to read what your counselor said.
And for those being told how other cancer patients buck up and are optimistic and blah, blah, blah....they have NO idea if someone is putting on a brave face or actually feeling any of the stuff they're spewing at someone else. Very few people have no negative thoughts in life, generally, never mind being dealt a possible death diagnosis. The next time someone tells you to think positively, they should be asked if they never have a sad or dark thought. UGH.
Editing to add...have you had a scope down your throat to see what is going on ? Hiatal hernia? When I have bouts of reflux, I go to the ugly place and I should have it looked at but dealing with DH's cancer right now, I keep giving myself an excuse.
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Wallan, I did not look into possible issues taking melatonin with depression, as they weren't in play for DH. Maybe ask your doc? Wallycat, DH did try DGL, but it didn't seem to help. He had been on a PPI, but dropped it when he read about concerns with long term use. I had not heard of using melatonin either until I did a deep dive on GERD treatments (which is also how I found the DGL), but if you google GERD and melatonin, there's a lot of good links.
Here's the first one that pops up: Melatonin eases GERD symptoms, studies show (https://www.pharmacytoday.org/article/S1042-0991(16)30687-9/fulltext)
Here's a recent study: Melatonin in Prevention of the Sequence from Reflux Esophagitis to Barrett's Esophagus and Esophageal Adenocarcinoma: Experimental and Clinical Perspectives (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6073539/)
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I've been taking melatonin for over 10 years. My reflux started after a bout of a stomach virus...slowly resolving. I've heard others have the same thing so maybe it is viral or who knows.
DGL works amazingly for me (and DH when he occasionally gets it). Clearly we are all different or the causes may be the reason. Probably too many to name.
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vitamin D3 deficiency is related to depression, I've been taking a calcium supplement with vitamin D3, perhaps that is helping me. I am depressed at times, but I do not have depression. My older son has depression. Seeing a therapist and taking anti depressants has helped him immensely.
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