....And it keeps getting more complicated....
Where to begin. Was diagnosed a couple of weeks ago with Stage 0, DCIS, grade 3. No invasive CA seen. Easy solution the doc said - lumpectomy/rads - done. So, I thought okay I can do this.
However......
Doc sent me for a breast MRI and other tests for pre-surgery.
Surprise ! MRI shows a new area of concern besides the DCIS (this area did not show on initial mammo). Now we have to go for an ultrasound and yet another diagnostic mammo. Go for those two tests, and speak to radiologist afterwards. Turns out need a biopsy of the area.
I feel like I am losing my mind. I was so assured that the DCIS was all I had. Why don't they tell you that things can change almost daily !
Seeing my surgeon tomorrow, however, did receive the results of the tests in my patient portal. Both advise that the growth is very small, solid, spiculated (all the bad things wrapped into one) etc.
So now I have no idea what will happen. Change of plans ? No lumpectomy ? Mastectomy ? Genetic testing isn't scheduled until next week, and then you have to wait a few weeks for that result. (Mom had cancer, and a maternal aunt - my mom was diagnosed at 55 and lived to be 97 !!).
So, how often does this happen ? Anyone experience something similar ? So very distraught and frustrated.
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Be aware that, as my BS told me, "*everything* lights up on an MRI." They have something like a 30% false positive rate. The biopsy will give you peace of mind either way. Try to stay calm. Somehow it's always better to have the complete dx and a treatment plan in place.
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Hmm, I guess every facility does it differently. I had mammogram, then ultrasound and biopsy on same day, then MRI to pinpoint the size and shape for the surgeon. No genetic testing until months afterward, after I'd developed a different cancer. I think you should call the nurse navigator (if you have one) and ask those very reasonable questions.
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I forgot to mention, the new area on the MRI notes it's BiRads 5 - highly suspicious.
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I had the same as Alice Bastable: I had mammogram, ultrasound then biopsy. The MRI was to check on something else that was noticed during the ultrasound. I had surgery and radiation, but I don't get the genetic testing until this July.
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How often does it happen? A lot.
Once diagnosed, many surgeons want the patient to have an MRI just to ensure that nothing else is going on. No point in having surgery only to find out after surgery that the area of concern was larger than expected (and therefore the surgical margins aren't clear) or to find out a short time later that there is another area of cancer in the same breast or the contralateral breast. I applaud surgeons who take this step. The downside however is that MRIs tend to see everything and have a high false positive rate. I too required an additional biopsy between the discovery of the cancer and the surgery, although in my case it was for the contralateral breast. Fortunately mine turned out to be benign.
Will this change you surgery plans from lumpectomy to MX? It depends first if the upcoming biopsy uncovers cancer, and if it does, it depends on the location of the cancer. A lumpectomy might still be feasible, if that's your choice. You have to wait for the biopsy results and then a discussion with your surgeon to get that answer.
As for genetic testing, sometimes this is done prior to surgery and sometimes it's done later. In my case, it was done later. In your case, since the testing is already scheduled for next week, this new discovery doesn't change anything and the timing was always such that it could delay your surgery, if you decided to wait for the results before having surgery. However you can always opt to proceed with surgery sooner, either a lumpectomy if medically feasible or a MX, and then if it's found that you do carry a genetic mutation, you can have a second surgery later if you decide that you want a BMX (which is usually on the table, but not always chosen, when a genetic mutation is found).
At this point, until you have the biopsy result, there are no answers to your questions. And ultimately, whatever happens with the biopsy and genetic testing, the choice is yours.
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Something I didn't realize until after surgery is that they are basically guessing until after surgery. The biopsies don't tell the complete story either. They need to get the biological materials out and get them under the pathology microscopes (and to genomic testing). Stage, hormone status, grade, size, it's all an educated guess until after pathology. I think even type can sometimes change.
Doctors aren't the best at communicating all of this. People say they've often found nurse navigators much more helpful for answering questions and helping us understand.
But yeah. Nothing to do but hang on for the duration. Take care of yourself and treat yourself.
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I had the same thing happen, said DCIS and after the lumpectomy they called and said they were very surprised there is also IDC. I thought the biopsy told the whole story so the call was shocking as I had no idea the diagnosis could change. Thinking they should say final diagnosis will occur after the lumpectomy pathology so we are prepared for a change in the diagnosis. I had to have a reincision to get a clear margin and to check the lymph nodes which they had not done the first round as they did not anticipate the IDC, thankfully lymph nodes were clear and they got a clear margin. 30 rounds of radiation including 5 boosts, I am on # 20 today and is has not been too terrible. A little red and very sleepy some days.
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Some cancers are mixed type, and only one type might show in a biopsy sample. I think the best breast cancer surgeons are zen masters or Jedi, able to go with what's in front of them AT THE MOMENT. Rigid thinking is not a good thing for them.
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rabby55 - After being diagnosed with Pagets of the nipple I had an MRI that noted two other highly suspicious areas of concern. Keep in mind I had a mammogram and ultra sound that did not pick up the Pagets or the DCIS or other areas of concern. Pagets was diagnosed by a punch biopsy with my dermatologist who then ordered the MRI. The MRI spotted the DCIS underneath the nipple as well as the other two areas. I had already planned on BMX only because I know my personality and knew I would question every little thing and the anxiety of every follow up would be too much for me. Even knowing I was going that route I did biopsies of all areas because I wanted to know what I was dealing with. I already had a feeling that the mass under the nipple was DCIS but was happy to find out the other two areas were B9. I did wait for my genetic testing which was also negative but came back within 2 weeks of testing. Always an option to wait if you think that would alter your decision. Keep us posted on everything!
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The hardest part about a breast cancer diagnosis is building your initial treatment plan. That is because you don't truly know the finite information about your cancer until it is out and under that pathologist's microscope. It can feel a bit like a very frightening roller coaster ride. You get the biopsy, you know a little bit. You get imaging, things shift. You get the final surgical pathology including potentially lymph nodes, then you get your complete treatment plan. I had a BMx. I knew going in that there was a risk based on my tumor location that I might still need radiation if I didn't get clean margins close to the chest wall. I also didn't know if I would need chemo or not based upon my lymph node status. And since my breasts were so dense and hard to image, who knew what might be hiding in there? However, I did not have any doctor truly tell me these potential changes to my diagnosis, I gleaned them from reading. I do think the medical community could do a better job with telling us how treatment plans may change. It is very emotional to prepare for what we think will happen, then to have other considerations suddenly thrown in.
Hope things go well for you, and you get the answers you need soon to get started on your treatment path.
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my initial biopsy said 1.2 cm- and I completely flipped when it came back after pathology as 2.5cm--but ultimately it did not change anything--- and I learned from my one that pathology is everything-- and you are right-they should tell you that first-- it is a moving target- the MRI is a good idea-my surgeon insisted upon it-- and you will be grateful for that--they should know all of what they are dealing with--but does not make it any easier for you. Each step gets you closer to a treatment plan- and the uncertainty will disappear-this is the hardest part--nailing down the details.
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I didn’t have a MRI. I had a biopsy followed by a lumpectomy and 33 radiation treatments. After my lumpectomy the Path report showed a micromet in my SN. My BS was surprised. I was stunned. MO ordered the Oncotype test. My score was 11. No chemo. So the Path report is the tell all. I agree our medical team should apprise us of what could/might happen. Not to scare us but to keep us informed and so we don’t freak out when things change.
Diane
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Thanks everyone! It's certainly a roller coaster ride.
As I said, diagnosed with DCIS. After MRI they found a very small, almost invisible, solid mass. Most likely cancer - Birads 5. So, getting a biopsy on that next week. After that, hopefully, we will have a plan for surgery. Doctor feels he can still do a lumpectomy. However, if not, I will get a mastectomy. Hoping for clear margins. Will need radiation afterwards. I am meeting with a genetic counselor next week and should have those results in a couple of weeks. If I carry the BRCA gene, will most likely go ahead with double mastectomy and reconstruction. Whew ! A lot to think about. My mother was diagnosed at age 55 - she never needed any treatment - and lived a healthy, long life, passing away at 97 ! I always relate that story because she was my inspiration.
Has anyone else had two areas of cancer in the same breast that were able to be removed via lumpectomy with no problem?
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Hi rabby55,
I was just wondering how you're doing right now. Did you get the MRI result yet? I've also recently been diagnosed with IDC. Biopsy says 16mm, MRI says 40mm and a bunch of suspicious small spots in my affected breast plus a small spot on the "clean" breast (MRI biopsy found it benign on this one), Since I didn't want anymore biopsy--those suspicious spots were deep and hard to get!--I opted for BMX to be safe.
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Hi there. Well I had a lumpectomy last Thursday and follow up with surgeon today. I had three areas in my breast - two areas of DCIS and one spot (very small) IDC. So, results were: No lymph node involvement - Yay ! So happy to hear that. Still Stage I according to doctor. The area of IDC was removed with no issues, and had clear margins. The area of DCIS, however, was larger than anticipated. Couldn't get clear margins. He offered two things - another lumpectomy to see if we get clean margins or mastectomy. My gut says go with the mastectomy and I have no problem with that. However, first I am meeting with plastic surgeon this afternoon to find out options of reconstruction. Then, next week, another mammogram to see how much, if any, of DCIS is left in the breast.
After that information, I will make up my mind. Of course, if area of DCIS is too large, surgeon may just suggest mastectomy anyway.
My first thought, today, was thank God - still Stage I and no lymph node involvement - my biggest worry. Of course, if I have mastectomy, I won't need the radiation - another point to consider. Still testing for the Oncotype number too.
Overall, I am pleased with how things have progressed so far. It's been a rollercoaster for sure. Started out with just DCIS - after MRI and biopsy - we had a second spot - IDC - and then another spot after that. So, lesson is never count on your first diagnosis being the final one, that's for sure.
However, i absolutely love my surgeon and trust his opinions. So, onward and upward. Just waiting to put this all behind me.
Thanks everyone and blessings to you all for positive outcomes and good health.
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