Struggling with Reconstruction Decision

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AnnCWG
AnnCWG Member Posts: 3
edited March 2019 in Breast Reconstruction

I am 57 and recently diagnosed with breast cancer. I have to have a double mastectomy due to several masses in both breasts. I have been married for 37 years and my husband is supportive of any decision I make, I just cannot make the decision. I do smoke, and am slightly overweight. However I have always been a very fast healer and and a pretty strong woman. I have been a caretaker for my parents, daughter, brother and husband for many years. I am already devastated by the news of the cancer (which other than the possibility of being the lymph nodes which will not be known until surgery) there is no evidence of cancer elsewhere in my body- bones, organs, lungs, etc. I need to know others opinions and experiences to help me figure this out. Every time I think I have decided one way or the other, I get a pit in my stomach that I'm making the wrong choice. I want to get on with the treatment of the cancer so I can get on with my life. I meet with the plastic surgeon on March 4 and surgery is March 13.

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  • Trishyla
    Trishyla Member Posts: 1,005
    edited February 2019

    Your story is almost identical to mine. I was 58 when biopsies found one mass in my right breast and two in my left. (That turned into seven tumors total after surgery, but that's another story) One tumor was triple negative, so a bilateral mastectomy was kind of a no brainer.

    I chose immediate reconstruction with a DIEP flap. Because I was an ex-smoker (I quit before chemo) I had to fight to get a surgeon willing to do the surgery. I had the surgery on April 4, 2017. Had a couple of complications in the hospital, (like a collapsed lung) but once I got home. I healed amazingly well. I was dancing in high heels at five weeks out from surgery.

    I would recommend the procedure to anyone. I woke up with breasts that look and feel natural because they're my own tissue. It was the best choice for me.

    There are a lot of options, including implants, natural tissue (Flap procedures) or going flat. Only you can decide what is best for you. Talk to your doctors. See what they recommend.

    I wish you all the best as you decide. Sending hugs.

    Trish


  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited February 2019

    Hi AnnCWG, and welcome to Breastcancer.org!

    We're so sorry for the reasons that bring you here, but we're really glad you've found us.

    You may find it helpful to check out the main Breastcancer.org site's section on Types of Reconstruction, to get lots of good information on the various procedures to help you make a decision.

    You may also be interested in checking out the Stop Smoking Support Thread -- no better time than now to quit!

    We hope this helps. We look forward to hearing more from you. Please let us know if you need anything at all!

    --The Mods

  • MexicoHeather
    MexicoHeather Member Posts: 365
    edited February 2019

    Hi. At first, it looked like I would do a BMX with immediate reconstruction. The cosmetic surgeon said no, radiation is going to mess up my work, and you're too skinny so it would have to be LD flap. So, I just waited.

    Husband of 30 years had lots of scars, said he didn't care. I got used to being flat. After 2 years from the UNI, I had another cosmetic surgeon do a breast reduction on the left side. Just one, perky, 34A, 100% natural now.

    I have had lots of shoulder weakness and neuropathy since the mastectomy and treatment. It makes me feel better to know that there's nothing unnatural in my chest area. It would worry me more to be reconstructed right now.

  • Kayla250
    Kayla250 Member Posts: 201
    edited February 2019

    I am so sorry you have to go through this but I think you’ve found the right support here. I opted for double mastectomy with immediate reconstruction on both sides, in 2017, I was 53. I had the double pedicled TRAM Flap. It is an old procedure still used in some cases...in my case I live 4 hours away from the hospital that could handle the time needed under anesthesia for a double DIEP Flap or “Free Flap”. I DO NOT recommend the pedicled TRAM Flap to anyone, especially double. I wish I would have decided on a free Flap like the DIEP and a muscle sparing Flap for sure and have it done in stages, as in, one at a time.

    Please take your time to decide on which reconstruction to have, I wish I would have thought it out a little better, but I didn’t have any knowledge base. It’s is now almost two years of healing, and I do love that my breast “mounds” feel completely natural and are literally my own tissue. No one outside of my husband can tell the difference. I however still have ongoing complications related to the Pedicled procedure.

    I was and am over weight but athletic all my life. I quit smoking 10 years ago so that wasn’t an issue for me. It is my understanding that they don’t like to keep a smoker under anesthesia for any length of time. So maybe research postponing the reconstruction; and put in your best effort to quit.

    It is a very stressful time, find all the info you can and utilize the best emotional support you have. allow yourself to make the choices that are best for you.

  • SuC
    SuC Member Posts: 55
    edited February 2019

    I was 48 at diagnosis and eventually chose double mastectomy, no reconstruction. I have never worn a prosthesis since.

    When I considered the surgery, I just could not see myself doing one of those procedures voluntarily. I also was not prepared to spend the recovery time when I could get over the mastectomies rapidly and get on with my life. My husband is not in the slightest bit bothered and supported me throughout. I enjoy the freedom. I haven't worn a bra in 5 years - no bra fat rolls on my back, can wear halter neck tops, no bouncing at the gym!

    I am comfortable. You may wish to delay reconstruction and see how you feel flat for a while before deciding


  • DebAL
    DebAL Member Posts: 877
    edited February 2019

    Ann, I'm sorry you are going through this but you will find support here.

    I'm really glad almost every surgical option has been discussed so as you see there are many options.

    I'm 55 and had BMX with tissue expanders followed by pre pec silicone implants. They sometimes feel cooler to the touch but dont "feel cold" They are placed in the natural position where there used to be breast tissue. Pec muscle was not cut, scares inframmamary so they are hidden. I dont think I could have gotten a better cosmetic outcome. My husband was supportive with any decision.

    Kayla is right. If there is any way you can cut back smoking before your surgery that would be to your benefit. I'm not lecturing you, I promise. It's such a stressful time that quitting now probably feels impossible. There is increased risk with anesthesia and also surgical healing. Quitting or even cutting back before march 13 really will set you up for a better outcome. Please reach out to your primary care dr for smoking cessation options that may help you. Please be honest with how much you smoke when talking with PS. If you truly dont see yourself making the change for whatever reason ...your PS needs that information so that together you make the decision that is right for you. And maybe that will mean delaying. My PS reminded me reconstruction is "elective" and the priority is getting rid of the cancer.

    You are a very strong woman. And you will get through this and go back to getting on with your life. Please keep us posted on your decision and how you are doing.


  • Gramto4
    Gramto4 Member Posts: 51
    edited February 2019

    AnnCWG Take all the time you need to decide on reconstruction. My plastic surgeon told me that I could wait as long as I wanted and still have reconstruction years later with the same results. My only regret is that I wish I had taken more time to decide on keeping or losingmy healthy breast and had opted for a double mastectomy for cosmetic reasons only. My DCIS was only in my right breast and I took the opinion of four different oncologist surgeons to only remove the right breast. At the time I thought my recovery would be easier if only one side of my chest was affected and I would have the use of my left side. Now I'm dealing with having to to make the right side implant symmetrical with my left natural breast. I will see my PS on March 1st to discuss my options. The implant I have now is just ok but im a little bit of a perfectionist and after a very long year I figure I should be happier with the results. I hope you will be satisfied with whatever decision you make

  • LisaK12
    LisaK12 Member Posts: 107
    edited February 2019

    Ask your surgeon about your reconstruction options, and specifically, whether you might be a candidate for immediate reconstruction at the same time as the mastectomy. That's what I did. If you don't like the options your surgeon gives you, get a second opinion, because some surgeons just don't specialize in some of the options that you might be a candidate for. I decided if I was going to have reconstruction, it was going to be "one and done" or I would rather just be flat. I did not want to go through multiple procedures or tissue expanders or harvesting my own tissue from another part of my body or any of that (I know those are great options for many people but not for me). I wanted to get on with my life. I hate to say it but some surgeons encourage their patients to have multiple procedures for various reasons. I didn't need to be perfect; I just wanted to be cancer-free and minimize the risk of complications, and as a bonus ideally I wanted to be able to wear the same clothes post-surgery as pre-surgery. I had a double mastectomy with immediate, direct-to-silicone implant reconstruction, with the implants placed pre-pectorally using AlloDerm rather than underneath the pectoral muscle. I was fortunate in that I was able to lift my arms above my head immediately after waking up from the anesthesia and my recovery was smooth with no complications and I didn't even need any painkillers other than Tylenol once I was discharged from the hospital. Because they were not able to save the nipples due to the location of the DCIS just behind the nipple, I am going to get 3-D nipple tattoos later this year which will be the final step. No fat grafting, no nipple reconstruction, nothing else. Whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck. Take your time and do your research!

  • rachelcarter35
    rachelcarter35 Member Posts: 368
    edited February 2019

    I'm 55. I had a double mastectomy, expanders and pre-pectoral implants after chemo. I don't know how I'd feel if I'd gone flat. But although I'm in no pain and have full range of motion my implants after 6 months still feel like foreign objects in my chest. I can feel their pull and sometimes wonder if I'd have been happier flat. My recovery would have been so much quicker. On the other hand hey are really good looking with my origami nipples and tattooed areolas and look 'normal'. Perhaps it would be traumatic to see flat in the mirror. Sometimes in the name of free choice we end up with almost too many decisions. Cancer sucks and we end up with something less than what we had before. The question is how to make it as tolerable as possible. Its so individual. Sorry this sounds so wishy washy and might not be helpful but the more stories you hear the more informed your individual decision will be. It gets so much easier when you have a plan.

  • blah333
    blah333 Member Posts: 270
    edited February 2019

    Your PS appointment is fairly close to your surgery date. Don't let them push you in to anything you don't want to do. I have read about many women who seemed indecisive and so even if they said they wanted to go flat, the surgeon left them extra skin "incase."

    I would advise to look at as many pictures as possible of both reconstructed chests and flat mastectomies to prepare your mind and to see which way you lean. Listen to yourself.

    I am 35 and did not have recon and am very glad. My own mother got recon and I remember the first time I hugged her after her surgery and was disappointed to be met with this weird new barrier of fake breast between us. No way did I want to carry a bunch of fake stuff in my body so I can fill a shirt, and no way in hell was I going to mess up other areas of my body and get extra scars just to make some mounds. Sexual sensation is lost anyhow. My recovery was quite quick and the surgery was easier than expected. There are less complications with no recon, and it's easy to feel my chest for anything odd/bumps/monitor it.

    There is a group called flat and fabulous on facebook, you can look at many pictures of flat women there and see how they live.

  • CBK
    CBK Member Posts: 611
    edited February 2019

    I went with expanders and since one of my sides did not cooperate ( thin skin and poor blood flow that would not accommodate a larger implant) I had a lat flap. My reconstruction is still in process close to two years original surgery.

    My implants are placed under pec muscles. They definitely don’t feel like mine yet but I need another revision and nipple reconstruction too.

    I don’t for one minute regret doing reconstruction I actually think it kept me sane during all my chemo and gives a sense that I’m in charge of something during this crazy ride. Even though I’ve had a difficult reconstruction by comparison to most people that went expander route.

    You have to be prepared that it may not go exactly according to a cookie cutter plan. That’s for sure!! And make sure you are 💯 on your Reconstruction surgeon. Mine actually made all the difference. Brilliant and an amazing bed side manner all in one. Kind, compassionate and caring; the whole team through thick and thin.

    There are all sorts of reconstruction and you should take time to explore your options. I hope you do and find peace in your decision. And health and happiness go forward.

  • alto
    alto Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2019

    I only had a uni-mx (diagnosed at 42), and I too had a lot of difficulty making the recon-or-not decision. One of the things that made it so difficult is that I was expecting that if I made the "right decision," I would feel better about things. At some point, I realized I did not want to make either choice - I just wanted to be well and have a normal body again! - but I needed to make a decision and move forward, for my health. It removed the pressure to "feel good" about the decision.

    I thought about what was most important to me - healing fast, getting back to my life, not having more surgeries if I could avoid them. I'd had two surgeries already and was so tired and needed to be done. I also know I get very distracted by changes in my bodily sensations and it seemed like the implant process would be distracting for me. I felt more confident about my ability to control my shape with forms/stuffing, than a more fixed implant. I'm not a good candidate for moving tissue from other parts of my body, and it's not something I'd want to do for a chest - it's just not worth that much to me. Being flat or wearing a light mastectomy camisole with some stuffing in the pockets seems fine to me. I don't swim, and my husband is fine with things (although he thought recon would be better for me, but I disagree - I'm sure I'd be distracted by it every day).

    As you can see, it's a very personal decision. I know women who were willing to do whatever it took with their recon because they wanted a shape like their pre-diagnosis shape. I was not as attached. I felt like if I had any complications or needed more surgery, I would regret my decision.

    We all have tough days when we think "what if I'd taken the other path" but in the end, both are acceptable options and we just have to pick the path we're most willing to take forward.

    Know that you may not feel great about the options you have, but you are taking your best shot at removing the cancer and that is the most important thing. The rest you will figure out - women live good lives both ways.

  • Runrcrb
    Runrcrb Member Posts: 577
    edited February 2019

    it is a personal decision and complicated. I highly recommend that you do tissue expanders at your mastectomy particularly since you don’t know what additional treatment you will need. TEs are not super comfortable but they will hold your shape until you can make an informed decision about reconstruction. While breast cancer is an emotional emergency it’s rarely a medical emergency- don’t rush a decision unnecessarily and be stuck for a lifetime.

    Regarding FLAP reconstruction options, my plastic surgeon would not have performed mine if I had been a smoker so be sure to talk to all of your surgeons about smoking. Totally up to you about quitting or not but may inform some of your options.


  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited February 2019

    So many good explanations! I hope that something will resonate with you and make the choice easier. I know it kind of sucks to have to decide at all.

    I had to choose between a lumpectomy and a mastectomy and, for many reasons, ended up doing a BMX. It really never occurred to me to go flat. I think it would have been hard for me. I chose silicone implants that were placed at the same time as the mastectomy. As written above - it was a "one and done" deal. I was able to keep my nipples and the implants are in front of my chest muscles.

    I always figured that this was kind of the least invasive way for me to go. If I ended up unhappy then I could have them removed. Or opt for the autologous route. Nothing is perfect and it's hard to not second guess yourself, but you know yourself the best. What makes sense to you?

  • AnnCWG
    AnnCWG Member Posts: 3
    edited February 2019

    Thanks for all the info and advice. I still have not decided but at least am more prepared to meet with the plastic surgeon and ask questions. Although my surgery isn't until March 13, it feels like its coming at me like a freight train.


  • LisaK12
    LisaK12 Member Posts: 107
    edited February 2019

    I know what you mean about the decision feeling like it's coming at you. You are smart to get prepared and ask all the questions you need to before meeting with the surgeon. It's not really one decision, it's many, and once you've made one decision you're immediately confronted with even more:

    1. Reconstruction or no reconstruction?

    2. If reconstruction: Immediate (same day as mastectomy) or delayed?

    3. If reconstruction: Autologous tissue or implants?

    4. If autologous tissue, what kind?

    5. If implants, direct-to-implant, or using tissue expanders?

    6. If implants, silicone or saline?

    7. Round or anatomical?

    8. Textured or smooth? (Some, like mine, will only use smooth.)

    9. What size and profile?

    10. Placed pre-pectorally or sub-pectorally? (Some surgeons can do both options; others will only do it one way)

    11. Which brand of implant? (Some surgeons only use certain ones.)

    12. Nipple reconstruction, or 3-D tattooing, or neither?

    13. Fat grafting?

    And on top of all of this there are all of the other options to discuss with your surgeon(s) such as about where the incisions/scars will be (some surgeons, like mine, gave me different options and let me choose the type of incisions that I felt would give me the best cosmetic outcome), pain management, etc.

    Because there's so much to think about and consider, I hope you don't feel rushed into anything and can take the time you need to make whatever decision is right for you. It took me weeks after meeting with my breast surgeon and my cosmetic surgeon (who work together) to read the information they had given me outlining my options, decide on what I wanted, and then I met again with both of them before the surgery to finalize everything. Good luck.

  • nanette7fl
    nanette7fl Member Posts: 469
    edited February 2019

    thank you for this discussion!! I too am trying to decide between MX and BMX. Lisa thank you for your list of questions. I have asked my Nurse Navigator to with me to see the Plastic surgeon.

    ~Nanette

  • mcshep777
    mcshep777 Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2019

    I think everyone has to decide that for themselves. I couldn't decide at all. I went back and forth a million times. My husband was fine either way. I've always been insecure so he worried that I would have a harder time accepting things if I didn't do reconstruction. I emphasize he was fine either way.

    I did start reconstruction the day of the mastectomies. There were complications, which seem to often happen. I had a pocket of fluid that didn't heal right-which took another surgery, then one of the implants got a hole during a filling, then infection which meant iv antibiotics for 2 weeks. Just factor that in to your decision. It could be that nothing goes wrong and everything is perfect.

    I have discomfort now from the implants, but no idea if that's normal. I think for me, I wish I had waited a while after the mastectomies before starting the reconstruction. It's tough to make all these decisions at once when you just want to get better. I'll pray for peace for you as you make your decisions.

  • Snickersmom
    Snickersmom Member Posts: 926
    edited February 2019

    Ann - this is a decision only you can make and you should be comfortable with whatever you choose to do. I never hesitated to say I will go flat. My husband and I had talked about it and he felt the way I did. I was 70 when I had my BMX. My recovery was very fast and pain-free. I know several women who have had a variety of reconstruction procedures and when I heard what they went through and/or what was now in their bodies, I knew I wanted no part of it. I also didn't want to go through the process for boobs I wouldn't even be able to feel. The thought of something foreign under my skin made me shudder. And I didn't want two mounds sitting there and scars everywhere from where they had to take the fat. I belong to Flat and Fabulous on Facebook and I am amazed at how many of us there are

    Admittedly, it took me quite a while to realize that nobody looks at my chest and even if they do, they just don't care if there's anything there. I don't wear the prosthetic bras, even though I have a drawer full (my insurance gives me 6 a year), I don't have any strap marks on my shoulders, and best of all I don't have sweat between the boobs during our hot, humid florida summers! I have never then that I needed to have breasts to be "normal." I am a woman no matter what parts I am missing, and breasts don't define who I am.

    Consider all of your options and don't jump into a quick decision. You will make the right decision when the time comes.


  • Runrcrb
    Runrcrb Member Posts: 577
    edited February 2019

    Nanette, since you mentioned deciding between unilateral and bilateral mastectomy, I will weigh in with a few things for you to consider.

    Will a BMX make a big difference in your recurrence risk?

    If reconstruction, have you decided which kind (flap vs implant)?

    How important is symmetry? Implant will never match a natural breast; flap can come pretty darn close

    Removing a healthy breast does double your risk of surgical complications (vs unilateral mx)

    How will you feel if the reconstruction complications are in the healthy side if you choose BMX?

    It’s a personal decision. I recommend talking to your doctors, reading, talking to any friends who’ve gone through this decision, and ultimately make the decision that gives you the most peace. Do not rush as the decision impacts the rest of your life.

  • beasgirl
    beasgirl Member Posts: 241
    edited March 2019

    Ann, you've gotten a ton of great advice and info already, so I'm just going to share with you the realization that helped me make this decision about 11 years ago, after agonizing about it exactly as you're doing. The thing I realized is, there is no option that is going to feel "right", because all options suck more than keeping your breasts. It sounds depressing, and I guess it actually is--it's facing square-on the sadness of the loss. But it was also really helpful to realize I'd been waiting for something to make itself clear, like it often does with hard decisions--when you're deciding which house to buy or which school to send your kid to, you kind of go back and forth until you figure out what your gut is telling you, or what is really the simplest, or something like that. This isn't that kind of decision. All of the choices have their positives and negatives, but they're all kinda crummy compared to just, you know, NOT having cancer.

    Much love to you and good luck with your decision--these boards were incredibly helpful to me throughout the whole process.

  • rmgrmg
    rmgrmg Member Posts: 79
    edited March 2019

    I had right mastectomy w/ immediate implant recontr. 12 years ago. Now I wish to remove the implant as it never felt a part of me and looked too big compared to the other side. So now I am thinking of either going flat on mastectomy side or just getting a smaller right SMOOTH ( not textured that causes lymphoma) implant that may be more comfortable and give better symmetry. I am not great with long surgeries so DIEP tissue flaps are out for me. As with others here I think no matter the reconstruction type disappointmently nothing is like the real thing looks wise or sensation wise. Despite that I kind of want implants but still worried about implant problems of re surgery, capsular toxicities, etc. Aw, decisions, decisions and my PS consult is soon so got to finalize my plans. Racheal

  • conscorner
    conscorner Member Posts: 23
    edited March 2019

    I had the reconstruction using the lat muscles and I would not recommend that to anyone. That was done 11 years ago. If I could do it over again, I would do the tissue expanders. I altered my back forever and that's never a good thing. I had a friend that used stomach muscles and she needed a second surgery. Now that also was about 11 years ago and I think she's been fine since. I just didn't like the idea of having no stomach muscles and just a netting. The important thing is to investigate the options, which is what you are doing. Good for you. I made an emotional decision because I wanted it over and done with. Not good reasoning in hindsight. All the very best to you.

  • blah333
    blah333 Member Posts: 270
    edited March 2019

    are you torn because your own wants are at conflict with what society expects? To me it seems like 75%+ of women know which way they lean - reconstruction or not. Of course reconstruction then can yield more indecision about which type. But I personally don't experience much indecision... it is your body. How would you feel best? Listen to yourself.

  • TaraLeeOm
    TaraLeeOm Member Posts: 40
    edited March 2019

    I had left breast DCIS, mastectomy. I had a tissue expander in for about 9 months before deciding to have it removed, just last week. I just felt uncomfortable with a foreign object in my body. I feel free, now that it's gone. I will wear a “falsie” when I go out, and am very happy with this decision.

  • nitelite
    nitelite Member Posts: 9
    edited March 2019

    Hi Ann. I had bc and a mastectomy back in 2008 with tissue expanders and then silicone implants. Last week I had the implants removed for a variety of reasons and I'm so glad I did. I am 62 yrs old and have been married 35 yrs. I am so glad to have nothing unnatural in my body. Remember that implants are definitely NOT lifetime devices and will require you to have more surgeries in the future. Have you had your mastectomy yet? best wishes to you.

  • rachelcarter35
    rachelcarter35 Member Posts: 368
    edited March 2019

    nitelite. I'm considering having my implants removed. My foobs are about a C cup. What does the surgeon do with the access skin when they remove the implants? I understand if you don't want to answer but I'm curious what it looks like afterwards.

  • blah333
    blah333 Member Posts: 270
    edited March 2019

    There are a ton of women in the flat and fabulous group on facebook who are there because they wanted to or had to have implants removed. I'd say most of them look quite similar to women who just went straight for the mastectomy, however it depends on if they had radiation or not. There are many pictures in that private group to give you an idea. Many women also seem quite happy or relieved once they are out.

  • cb2
    cb2 Member Posts: 4
    edited March 2019

    Dx Feb 2019, DCIS (low-intermediate grade), Right, 6cm, Stage 0, ER+/PR+ , Age: 39

    Had a first consult with oncologist. I am struggling between the treatment choices of a lumpectomy (+radiation + hormone therapy) versus a mastectomy (+hormone therapy to reduce risk to left breast). The risk of invasive recurrence seems quite low for both (6% vs 1%). For lumpectomy the area they have to remove is largish in comparison to the breast size. With lumpectomy there is a possibility of re-excision if the margins are not clear, but overall sounds like recovery times are shorter. With the mastectomy it's one major surgery but longer recovery time. The cosmetic impact of both could be significant. Have yet to meet with a plastic surgeon.


    Did anyone have DCIS >5cm and go in for reconstruction after lumpectomy ? How painful and long is the reconstruction ?

    Very confused.

  • Cin17
    Cin17 Member Posts: 51
    edited March 2019

    My tumor was multi-focal and measured 4.9 cm on MRI, and my breast surgeon felt that mastectomy was the only option. I had a nipple-sparing unilateral mastectomy with immediate reconstruction (smooth round silicone implant with AlloDerm) 11 days ago. It hasn't even been two weeks and I'm very happy with the results. In clothing, even just a bra, you can't tell which breast is new. Without clothing, yes, it's noticeable since my left breast is a natural D that breast-fed two kids so it's not as perky as the new one. I figure that, once I've been through treatment, if it bothers me then I'll have further plastic surgery for a more uniform look without clothes. But for now, I couldn't be more pleased. When I had my one-week follow-up last Friday I kept thanking my plastic surgeon over and over again. For me, immediate reconstruction really helped with the emotional trauma of losing a breast. Just my experience as everyone is different and this is a very personal choice.

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