To drain or not to drain
Hi
Here in the UK there are a lot of doctors who prescribe to the theory of no drains, ie. that the fluid keeps coming back to fill the empty space, so by continually draining you are just prolonging everything. Having no drain, or removing after 12-18 hrs and let nature take its course and the body will re-absorb. Of course a large seroma I imagine is not fun and large for a longer time would no doubt stretch skin, but how that stacks up against carrying around drains for 10 days and the varying risks of infection that drain holes can have, not sure?
Anyone heard any views on this from their doctors / surgeons.
My surgeon rarely uses them, I am in for surgery next Thursday 28th - MMX and SNLB.
Thanks and await any other views on this, to add to my pile of questions!
Thanks
Lizzy
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Interesting question. I've wondered some of the same things, especially for those who have multiple drains in place for weeks.
My doctors never discussed any other option. I had two drains (one on each side) for six days. The holes were covered with a plastic dressing and I was allowed to shower with them in place.
I did have fluid remaining in a couple of pockets on one side after the drain was removed. My PS tried to remove it on two occasions with a needle and was unsuccessful.
I developed an infection in the other side five weeks after surgery that required three days of IV antibiotics in the hospital and then two weeks of two different oral antibiotics at home.
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Hi
Thanks for your info, quite glad my surgeon is one for no drains after reading your story! Hope all is well with you now.
All the best
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I had 2 drains, 1 in node area and 1 next to my lumpectomy which was upper/outer quadrant. They were removed after 4 days. I was actually shocked to wake up with them as nobody had ever discussed their use. My sister had a lumpectomy 2 years earlier and had no drains but she did have some issues with fluid building up and then some hard areas after her radiation.
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Drains are the norm where I am. I had one for 7 days (no recon) and had no issues with infection. It wasn't too bothersome, especially as I wasn't doing much that first week. It did twinge when I bent the wrong way or forgot and leaned sideways into a couch pillow. I didn't notice it when I was still or sleeping (with the drain tucked into a drain pocket in my mastectomy top).
My husband helped me drain it. He was not a fan. We were both happy when that part was done.
I had the most output in the first 24 hours, moderate output for 2-3 days after, and light after that.
Post-drain hole drained a little liquid the first day, scabbed over the next day,and was pretty well healed a week later.
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a drain was never mentioned to me. Following my lumpectomy and second surgery to clear margins I developed a large seroma or hematoma. My surgeon drained it with a needle the following week. I saw a lymphadema therapist before radiation because my breast was so enlarged with the seroma.
My radiologist didn't think it was a problem to start radiation. Half way through treatment I developed a open blister , they watched it and had me doing all kinds of bandages etc. it was always draining fluid. They tried to aspirate it with an ultrasound.
After I completed the radiation I was sent to a wound clinic. They tried to pack it and treat it but when it was surgically debrieded they discovered it was a large 7cm hole in the breast. The whole experience still haunts me. I ended up with a wound vac from Aug-Nov.1st and it finally closed. I'm left with a breast indent, scar, and the nipple is pulled to the side. There is another poster that had a similar thing but supposedly it's a rare thing..
I can't hellp But wonder if a drain could have avoided this.
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ouch ouch and ouch, you poor thing.
That gives me great peace of mind..... not.............!! for my MMX on Thursday. Aghhhhhhh.
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If your doctor says she/he rarely uses them, then it sounds like the doctor will do whatever is appropriate/necessary for your particular situation. You could ask what percentage of patients have moderate-or-more pain from fluid buildup, or have to come back to have it drained. But either way, it sounds like things have a good chance of being fine/normal. They will let you know what to look out for, and your care team will be prepared to help solve any issues that come up.
I hope your recovery goes smoothly!
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I had one drain on each side and it was honestly, no big deal. Fun, no! But no big deal, only had them in for about 7 days I think. I still developed a very small seroma on the left that was drained one time and never an issue again. I can't imagine not having drains, that's not an option I've ever seen discussed on here. Peoples output varies and if you had a lot I just don't know how that could all be absorbed without some issues. Keep us posted on that!
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My surgeon said beforehand that I might have a drain. I think she decides once she's in there and sees the tissue. I wound up with no drain, I had no bruising, and only a tiny bit of swelling - the BS was quite impressed at my follow-up appointment. But I also wore a snug sports bra for about three weeks after the lumpectomy, and again after the re-excision.
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I agree with Alice. Most literature indicates that drains are usually determined by the surgeon and at the time of the surgery. Of course, some surgeons definitely have their preferences. Interestingly, I had to go to "school" prior to mx to learn about post op. We learnt all about the drains and the nurse clearly stated differing preferences depending upon the surgeon. One surgeon even used a cone to cover the incision. I was a bit bothered thinking that perhaps there should be best practices. But since then I have discovered that there are many differences and discrepancies. You need to pick a surgeon you trust. And then just hope for the best! BTW, I thought the mx was a piece of cake, with the drain being the worst and only really painful part. There is a tender spot to this day, five years later. But recovery was uneventful and for that, I was so grateful
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Hi all
Thanks for all the replies today, interesting reading, and yes I will trust my surgeon's decisions, he did a good job with the WLE in December so expecting the same next Thursday. Interestingly there are 3 x breast surgeons at my clinic and the nurse said one never uses drains, one always uses drains and my surgeon falls in the middle! Strange that they have such diverse opinions.
All the best
Eliza
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I had 4 drains (2 on each side) for 2 weeks straight. I was miserable with them. Once they were removed, I began to really heal. My surgeon was all for them, clearly. Did I mention how much I hated them?!?!?!
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