DCIS Cancer Removed-Now What?

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Tomichi1
Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32

I had a lumpectomy in Oct, and was diagnosed DCIS Stage 0/Grade 3. My cancer was removed and I just had my 2nd opinion at Sloan Kettering. They’re recommending radiation-whole breast. I don’t want the drugs and was told that’s ok. I want to investigate partial radiation. I could also go the holistic route (which is what I was doing since Oct, with supplements and CBD oil). My numbers are so “nothing” and 16%/10yr recurrence or radiation 6%/10yr. I’m also being told that a mastectomy would be considered extreme and only my right breast would be removed 😳Is anyone else experiencing what I am? Same diagnosis? Holistic treatments only? Let me know. Thanks, ladies. Happy New Year!

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  • Rrobin0200
    Rrobin0200 Member Posts: 433
    edited January 2019

    I had a bmx for my DCIS diagnosis. I wanted FBC most extreme treatment available. However, I believe standard tx DCIS is lumpectomy followed by radiation.

  • OregonHope
    OregonHope Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2019

    I'm in Oregon, over 70, Dx of DCIS moderate nuclear grade, comedonecrosis not specified further. Scheduled for surgery in a week. The hospital system is strongly recommending endocrine therapy (ET) and radiation whole breast. I think it is worth it to look at the over 70 y/o recurrence rate with both post op therapies vs one but not the other. The DCIS oncegene test would help from what I read but they are not willing to do one pre-op and may but are not sure about doing one post op.

    If the pathology markers are "good" they won't do the genomic test; if mixed or poor pathology results occur they will do the genomic test as well one source said. This just doesn't make sense to me IF in any case the genomics provide valuable guidance re re-occurence.

    Is anybody out there in Oregon also who has had or is having DCIS and could communicate with me about your experience?

    Thanks to anybody who might respond, wherever you are.

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    I was told only one breast would be covered by insurance. Did you experience any issue with your mastectomy

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    I was told only one breast would be covered by insurance. Did you experience any issue with your mastectomy

  • MDRR
    MDRR Member Posts: 133
    edited January 2019

    Oregon Hope - here is my experience with (what started as ) DCIS:

    My initial diagnosis of DCIS (stage 0/grade 3) led to a lumpectomy and we were planning radiation (3 weeks) and no medication. However the pathology on the tissue showed it had become invasive, so that led to a mastectomy. I opted to have both breasts removed and did not have any issues with the insurance. But I'm not sure if that was because of the invasive finding or not. When my breast surgeon was reviewing test results before any surgery, she did fully explain both the lumpectomy and mastectomy options, so I would assume I could have selected either option. My understanding is that women have a right to both breasts as well as reconstruction, but I can't say for sure.

    I'm post menopausal at 62, so I am on the AI anastrozole (since April, 2018); so far I haven't felt any side effects. I will have a dexa scan at 1 year to see if my bones are being affected by the medication.

  • SDWoman
    SDWoman Member Posts: 113
    edited January 2019

    I am 48 and just had BMX with reconstruction on 12/14 for DCIS. So far the recovery has not been bad at all.

    I had DCIS in only one breast but had both removed. In the united states insurance companies must cover reconstruction of both breasts an if only one is affected. This is because a woman has a right to symmetrical breasts.

    I opted for BMX for a few reasons:

    1. 3 to 5 weeks of radiation and 5 years of hormone blockers seemed to be alot. In my mind it would be years before I could put this behind me and not be reminded of having cancer.
    2. I have a very extensive family history of breast cancer so was considered high risk of recurrence
    3. I wanted to avoid the anxiety of future mammograms/callbacks/biopsies. Especially since I have so many years left.
    My pathology report came back with no surprises. An oncologist will have to confirm to be sure, but I should need no further treatment. It is very liberating to know that I am done!


    If you don't have a family history, yes BMX may be extreme, but if it is something you want, you should be able to get it.

    I know there is so much to think about and it is overwhelming. Best of luck to you!

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    Wow, we had almost the same diagnosis. Mine, thankfully, is not invasive. That must be why MSK thinks mastectomy is extreme. I was looking at sub cutaneous mastectomy. I am having a meeting with a plastic surgeon who’s a friend on Monday. It’s been 3 months since my lumpectomy (I was away working and was forced to go holistic) and MSK is telling me I need to make a decision quickly. I do have lots of questions for the Radiologist Oncologist next week. Thank you for sharing your story. Hope you have a wonderful 2019

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    Thank you for sharing this. I was surprised to hear that only one breast would be removed-and this was MSK telling me this. Odd. I’m 55, with no family history, so maybe that’s why she said that a mastectomy would be extreme. It does feel daunting about the radiation or going holistic and playing the waiting game 2x’s a yea with screenings. Again, thanks for responding and sharing.

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited January 2019

    I had no trouble getting BMX and recon covered by reconstruction. I'm also in Oregon and had Providence insurance at the time. There are benefits to Uni-MX, including lower risk of complications and having a strong arm post-op. I had suspicious spots on the other side so opted for BMX. I don't think of BMX as an extreme option because I was able to avoid radiation and 10 years of AIs.

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    This is all very interesting. I’m now doubting this Medical Oncologist I saw. I don’t have to do the drugs but the percentages for future recurrence are 16% if I do “nothing” (holistic) in 10yrs or 6% w/radiation. BMX is 0%. I know it’s an aggressive option but she felt I’d only have a medical necessity for my right breast. There’s nothing in my left, thus far. Too many decisions!

  • MBPooch
    MBPooch Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2019

    I felt identical to SDWoman. I wanted to be as aggressive as possible and not be constantly looking over my shoulder. I was 47 at the time of my surgery and opted for BMX. I already had implants since I was previously an A cup so lumpectomy was not an option if I wanted symmetry. Insurance covered both breasts and I had direct to implant at the time of BMX. I was surprised with the ease in which I recovered. Lots of things to consider!

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited January 2019

    Note that the recurrence risk is not 0% for BMX. There are residual areas of breast tissue that are not removed, like in the armpit.

  • SDWoman
    SDWoman Member Posts: 113
    edited January 2019

    LAstar is correct. I believe it is 6%. I still need to see my BS every 6 months.

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    I was told by the surgeon 0-1% chance of recurrence. If you do sub cutaneous your nipples are saved and, I guess, that’s where the small potential would be

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited January 2019

    My BS told me once that a radiologist had shown him imaging of microscopic ducts that had grown into the skin layer. He was pretty shocked by this and thought that it might contribute to the recurrence rate.

    This article examined using the Van Nuys Prognostic Indicator (VNPI) as a predictor of recurrence after mastectomy for DCIS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20859695

    My VNPI score is 11, so that would suggest that I have more like a 10% chance of recurrence after mastectomy based on the results of this research (which has a fairly small sample size but makes me feel better about vigilant monitoring and imaging).

    You can calculate your score using the table in this article: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/2193-180...


  • SuQu31
    SuQu31 Member Posts: 160
    edited January 2019

    LAstar, thank you for your post. I had a follow up today with my BS after double mastectomy four weeks ago for DCIS in one breast, high grade. I also had re-excision for a close margin, which resulted in excision of only benign tissue. I am grateful for my good prognosis, but want to be realistic about recurrence and vigilant. I really appreciate the articles.

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    Thanks for this info. I must admit I’m going to need help figuring where on the spectrum I lie. I need to find a breast surgeon in my network. Radiologist Oncologist meeting Thurs. I know you understand when I say I’m not sure which way to go. I guess my fear is making the wrong choice. Oh boy.

  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited January 2019

    I was all about the probabilities--when my RO said radiation would cut my recurrence probability in half it was a very easy decision. I also didn't want to take more tissue than was necessary. Conventional wisdom is that the probabilities are the same for lumpectomy-with-radiation and mastectomy.

  • SuQu31
    SuQu31 Member Posts: 160
    edited January 2019

    it seems to me that understanding what level of risk of future recurrence you are comfortable with is almost as important as any other factor. Once you combine that with all the other variables, there definitely is not a “one size fits all solution,” which just makes this harder. Best of luck with your decision.

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    I’m curious if any one sought treatments (radiation or mastectomy)in the NY/NJ area? I just found out that MSK is being absorbed into Hackensack Univ Med Ctr. Also hearing they’re no longer the best. Since I’m getting pressure from them to make my decision quickly I’m stressing about my care team. If any one has any leads I’d love to hear them. You women are such a help!

  • GreenGarden
    GreenGarden Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2019

    Thank you all for sharing. This has been an interesting discussion. I was also DCIS Stage 0 Grade 3 on the right side. I did not have the mastectomy but the lumpectomy instead. I have a history of ADH as well - with 4 needle biopsies and 2 excisional biopsies already under my belt. The surgical margins were clear and my lesion less than 2 cm. ER and PR positive. They caught the DCIS very early. Given that I decided for defer radiation largely because my issue seems to be ADH becoming DCIS or IC and the effects of the radiation on ADH are unclear. Radiologist didn't think I would get much from radiation, enough to warrant the side effects. Tamoxifen is a different issue however. Every doc i spoke with recommended this mostly because of the ER+ status and the recurring ADH. I've filled the prescription but haven't started yet. I'm still a little leery of the side effects but I think I am going to take it. I'm a bit tired of being a pin cushion and hope that the tamoxifen slows down the ADH progression.

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    Since I’m new to all of this, can I ask what ADH and IC means? I’m going to meet with 2 surgeons over the next 2 weeks. I’m just so unclear about what to do and not feeling trusting of my care doesn’t help. This forum has been great. Think I’ll need to reach out to women who opted for radiation-just to get their stories

  • SDWoman
    SDWoman Member Posts: 113
    edited January 2019

    Tomichi1 you might find this helpful.

    Abbreviations for Newbies Forum


  • GreenGarden
    GreenGarden Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2019

    ADH is atypical ductal hyperplasia. It is a step below DCIS. IC is invasive carcinoma. Sorry, I can't help with the radiation comments. I do know several women who have had it and said that the fatigue was their biggest complaint. Good luck as you make your choices.

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    You’re the first person who I’ve read about who’s doing just the drug therapy. I’m meeting with 2 breast surgeons in my hope to find one I feel really good about. After reading some about the holistic approach with DCIS I’m wondering about proceeding forward and being screened every 6mos (of course those tests have side effects too).I guess the hope would be that should it return it’d be caught early.

  • GreenGarden
    GreenGarden Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2019

    It's important to remember that everyone's journey is unique. In my case, although the DCIS grade was high (Grade 3) the size was small. Given that, the radiation was not going to change survival rate; it was already high around 98% and adding the radiation would have only added another 1%. I appreciated the radiologist's honesty when he said - you can have radiation but its not going to change anything and the radiation is not going to affect the ADH. I think it is different if your lesion is larger and docs worry that some cells might be missed. I am still working out my management plan. I have been monitored every 6 months w/diagnostic mammograms. I've alternated ultrasound (I have very dense tissue) and MRI. I am a HUGE proponent of screening every 6 months. A half a year ago all I had was ADH and clacifications. Six months later - DCIS Grade 3. It's so important to keep up with your follow up screenings. I think the reason mine was picked up so early is because I am so diligent about checking. I'm going with tamoxifen mostly because my cancer is E+ and the DCIS developed rather quickly within 6 months to Grade 3. Anything that I can do to prevent that rapid progression I am willing to explore (note - still haven't that pill yet! I plan to start tomorrow).

    Good luck on your journey and definitely make sure that you find a surgeon that listens to you and your concerns. Its so important to have confidence in your doc and feel comfortable being able to share your concerns.


  • yogamom2
    yogamom2 Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2019

    Tomichi1 I had a similar diagnosis DCIS. Lumpectomy 2 weeks ago, Just back from follow up. Stitches are out. Good news---clear margins! If they weren't clear, radiation would have been a sure thing.

    BS says next step is to send pathology to have recurrence risk evaluated- Oncotype DCIS-DX. Will need consult w/ RO but If risk comes back low enough- may be no RT needed!

    After that comes eval w/ medical onco to see if risk is low enough to be safe avoiding or at least limiting dosage of long term oral meds like tamoxifen. Hoping to avoid it all but at 95% both ER+/PR+ trying to be realistic.

    Keeping positive and focusing hard on that best case scenario.


    BTW: I was told they won't order the Oncotype before the initial full pathology comes back because it will make a difference on what test is best.--- Oncotype, Mammaprint, DCIS-DX. Had mine been invasive rather than true DCIS she would have ordered a different genomic test.. It's frustrating following the process with all the waiting, would be great to have it streamlined for quicker results.

  • yogamom2
    yogamom2 Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2019

    Tomichi1 I had a similar diagnosis DCIS. Lumpectomy 2 weeks ago, Just back from follow up. Stitches are out. Good news---clear margins! If they weren't clear, radiation would have been a sure thing.

    BS says next step is to send pathology to have recurrence risk evaluated- Oncotype DCIS-DX. Will need consult w/ RO but If risk comes back low enough- may be no RT needed!

    After that comes eval w/ medical onco to see if risk is low enough to be safe avoiding or at least limiting dosage of long term oral meds like tamoxifen. Hoping to avoid it all but at 95% both ER+/PR+ trying to be realistic.

    Keeping positive and focusing hard on that best case scenario.


    BTW: I was told they won't order the Oncotype before the initial full pathology comes back because it will make a difference on what test is best.--- Oncotype, Mammaprint, DCIS-DX. Had mine been invasive rather than true DCIS she would have ordered a different genomic test.. It's frustrating following the process with all the waiting, would be great to have it streamlined for quicker results.

  • Tomichi1
    Tomichi1 Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2019

    I’m so happy for you! Crossing everything that your journey is an easy one. I had no margins but was Grade 3. Because of the necrosis and the mm they want where the tumor was removed needs to be 2mm to allow for a different treatment-like partial breast radiation. I was 1.5mm. So whole breast it is. I’m doing everything I can to get through it with little side effects. I’m really hoping everything positive for you

  • Kissy72
    Kissy72 Member Posts: 7
    edited January 2019

    Hi ! I am reading older threads trying to shed some light on my treatment plan and saw this post. I had a unilateral masectomy 12/19 for large area of DCIS (6cm) 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 Paget's disease of the nipple. Mine was pure DCIS (non-invasive) ER -and weakly PR positive (5%). I also had close margin on the anterior upper outer region. Was your re-excision during reconstruction ? Any radiation recommended ? Trying to reply directly to SuQu31

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