Anyone want to sit and wait with me?

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  • Amica
    Amica Member Posts: 488
    edited August 2018

    Beeline

    Waiting is the worst! Hoping your results are clear, and in the meantime---deep breaths. I do deep breathing and something called "toning" several times a day when I start ruminating or feel extremely anxious. Toning is just glorified humming -- you breathe in through the nose and then keeping your face relaxed, lips closed and relaxed, make a long humming sound, one steady tone not a melody. You should feel your closed lips vibrate slightly. Breathe in again and repeat. Do this lying down, sitting, whatever. And after a few minutes it seems to have a calming effect. I do a fairly low tone, I find that more calming, but whatever comes naturally. Anything that will slow down breathing will engage the parasympathetic nervous system and your body and mind may feel more relaxed.

    Also, distraction--no matter how mindless. I've been watching lots of movies while I wait anxiously for tests and test results.

    Let us know what happens,

    Amica

  • beeline
    beeline Member Posts: 308
    edited August 2018

    Thanks Amica! I am practicing deep breathing at my desk at work (unsuccessfully trying to distract myself). I've not heard of toning before but I can see how it would be calming. Seems well worth a try! I've also left a message with the nurse to at least see if I can find out when I might get results back... now I really feel like I've done everything I can do but wait.

  • hapa
    hapa Member Posts: 920
    edited August 2018

    Colleen - setting aside a time of day is such a great idea. I'm going to give it a try!

  • ColleenS80
    ColleenS80 Member Posts: 271
    edited August 2018

    hapa I hope it helps you too!

    Friends, I saw this posted in another group I belong to today and I had to share it here. ❤️ So thankful for each of you!

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  • Amica
    Amica Member Posts: 488
    edited August 2018

    Colleen,

    That's beautifully stated, and so true !

  • Yaniza
    Yaniza Member Posts: 140
    edited August 2018

    Amica, I'm not sure where in Canada you are I'm in Halifax Nova Scotia and we have therapists and psychiatrists as part of the full meal deal after the diagnosis of breast cancer. There's no months of waiting.

    Check out any breast cancer groups in your area to see if you can get some current information on what's available.

    Unless you have health insurance in the US or Canada private therapists do charge a lot of money. I hope you can find free professional help in your area. I certainly took advantage of what was on offer and found it very helpful.

  • Dani444
    Dani444 Member Posts: 522
    edited August 2018

    Hey there, I am here waiting for my breast MRI results. I have prayed that it gives us a clear image of the size of my cancer. The ultrasound and mammogram measured it differently. I am also hoping it gives me reassurance about choosing lumpectomy with rads, as I am now questioning it. I had asked my nurse navigator if the doctor can clearly see the cancer when she is in there and her answer was no!!They will be using the savi scout so I guess that helps. I am getting a kick out of everybody's pool boys. Thanks for listening to me ramble. I feel like this is the only place I can express my worries and get complete understanding.

  • ColleenS80
    ColleenS80 Member Posts: 271
    edited August 2018

    Amica, I thought so! :)

    Hey Dani, that was my prayer as well during all the imaging, and continues to be whenever I have a test: “Please just let them see everything they need to see clearly.” I am praying that for you as well. :) I was a little anxious about lumpectomy too, although my onc and surgeon both said it was adequate for me. One thing my onc reminded me was I can always take the breast off later, if I find I can’t live with the anxiety. But the only good choice for you is the one you can live with as well as possible! Always feel free to ramble, lord knows I do it plenty!! Hugs, and keep us updated. ❤️


  • beeline
    beeline Member Posts: 308
    edited August 2018

    Dani, so sorry you have joined us here in the waiting room but I can highly recommend the support and advice I've gotten!

    My update is - bone scan came back clean! Woo hoo! I think I cried tears of relief. Still waiting on CT results. Will hopefully have those tomorrow and am practicing lots of deep breathing in the meantime.

  • KK2018
    KK2018 Member Posts: 65
    edited August 2018

    beeline-so glad your bone scan came back clear. I didn’t realize how terrified I was until I got that good phone call with 2 clean scans. I burst into tears!

    This page/community is such a balm for my fears and anxieties-I’m sad we are all here but thankful for everyone sharing their journey!

  • oxygen18
    oxygen18 Member Posts: 164
    edited August 2018

    ksusan, how are you doing?

  • Amica
    Amica Member Posts: 488
    edited August 2018

    Yay beeline on the clear bone scan!

    Hi Yaniza, you live in a beautiful part of the country! -- the cancer center I'm at doesn't have services like that, but I'll figure something out :) I'd have to go to Toronto for better support services but it's a bit too far.




  • LLMW
    LLMW Member Posts: 1
    edited August 2018

    Ksusan — thanks for posting 'the time on sprockets when we dance.' I have deliberately been seeking out YouTube videos and Netflix comedies and comedians that make me laugh. They are a great distraction from the scanxiety and worry of waiting for results not to mention the mental preparation for each chemo session and the distraction required during the aftermath.

    Audio books, funny shows, gardening, continuing to work, taking time to contemplate larger issues and planning trips with my husband have all played a role in keeping me fuctioning and relatively sane. Chemo brain has not been my friend but it has helped me develop some funny word combinations which we do laugh at. Mayo Clinic has some interestingitems on this subject of laughter as medicine.

    I'm sorry for all of us that we are in this waiting room together but I am pleased that today's technology makes it possible for us to wait with one another

    I'll leave you with a Michael McIntyre clip. His stuff always leaves me laughing! 😂 🤣😂. The forum does not allow links but check out his fan page on FaceBook and look for the video on parenting. I enjoy. All of his stuff and am hard pressed to pick just one but that one could get you started.



  • bella2013
    bella2013 Member Posts: 489
    edited August 2018

    Colleen, thanks for sharing

  • bella2013
    bella2013 Member Posts: 489
    edited August 2018

    Colleen, can you post that on “The Dumbest Things People Have Said To You/About You. I tried to post it but I am not smart enough to do that. Valentina7 could really benefit from reading this.

    Thanks so much

  • Amica
    Amica Member Posts: 488
    edited August 2018

    I too am seeking out shows and movies that make me laugh :)

    I have a tv movie package that includes old movies and have watched: Planes Trains & Automobiles, Vacation with Chevy Chase, Bridesmaids. I've saved My Cousin Vinny to watch.

    Any suggestions for funny movies or shows?


  • rachelcarter35
    rachelcarter35 Member Posts: 368
    edited August 2018

    Carol Burnett with Tim Conway and Harvey Korman bloopers. Watching them try not to laugh is so funny.

    Wedding Crashers. It's not for everyone. If you don't want to watch the whole movie at least watch the scene with Vince Vaughn in the kitchen. Supposedly he was doing improv for most of it.

    I've binge watched Friends through this 'lovely adventure.' The writing is so good.

    An Unfinished Life. The banter between Robert Redford and Morgan Freeman is great.

    Trading Places, Scrooged, Groundhog Day, 48 Hours, Liar Liar, Bruce Almighty, Evan Almighty.


  • Dani444
    Dani444 Member Posts: 522
    edited August 2018

    ColleenS, thank you for your prayers. So the MRI shows multiple satellite lesions, both anterior and posterior to the known mass. They did get a more definite size of the mass. I have decided to get the additional lesions biopsied, and that will give me what I had hoped, and that is a clear decision. So if they are positive for cancer my surgeon says we would have to do the mastectomy. I will feel better just having all the answers. I appreciate everyone taking time to read this, and all of the prayers, virtual hugs and good vibes :)

    Beeline- YAY for you for a clear bone scan!!!!!!!!!

  • ColleenS80
    ColleenS80 Member Posts: 271
    edited August 2018

    Bella I sure will!

    Dani, so glad it looks like things are clearing up for you. Keep us updated.

    I had a terrible onc apt today. We came to blows bc I ask a ton of questions and bring studies and she gets offended I think and basically thinks I’m being ridiculous by researching and asking so many questions. So, second opinion at Vanderbilt on 9/11. I also have a brain MRI 9/20 bc I’ve been having dizziness/lightheadedness and some headaches. So that’s making me nervous. Rough day.

  • Amica
    Amica Member Posts: 488
    edited August 2018

    ColleenS80

    So sorry you had a rough day! I do the same thing, I ask so many questions. There's a quote somewhere from an oncologist: "The best patients make the worst patients." Maybe I already posted that quote, but you know, the patients who ask a lot of questions are actually good patients because they are looking out for themselves, but the docs sometimes do get annoyed, I know mine do. I also bring printouts, and I am sure internally my onc is rolling her eyes, but I don't care.

    Good for you for getting a second opinion. Vanderbilt is top-notch. I too have sought a second opinion, at Princess Margaret Cancer Hospital in Toronto. It takes a while here, it might just be a virtual one with no live visit. And it's better to get a brain MRI to get things checked out than to worry, so my hopes for you that it is all clear. I have my brain MRI on Labor Day, dreading it because of claustrophobia.

    HUGS,

    Amica

  • Amica
    Amica Member Posts: 488
    edited August 2018

    rachel carter, those are all great suggestions! thanks :)

  • InnaB2018
    InnaB2018 Member Posts: 1,276
    edited August 2018

    Try The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel on amazon Prime. It’s hilarious.

    Amica, weren’t you waiting for some test results? Did you get them? Sorry, chemo brain doesn’t retain info anymore..

  • hapa
    hapa Member Posts: 920
    edited August 2018

    OMG Colleen, glad you're getting a second opinion at Vanderbilt. I bet they will be much more patient with your questions there. Did you discuss further treatment with your MO? Ask why you had such a bad response to chemo? Did you get receptors tested on your surgical specimen? I know that's a lot of questions and you're probably wondering why I'm so interested. I meet with my MO tomorrow. I'm planning to ask for receptor testing of the surgical specimen. Like you, I had a poor response to chemo with herceptin. My remaining tumor was grade 1, and I had discordant results on two pre-chemo biopsies. I'm wondering if I had two different cancers in my tumor. I feel like we have tread similar paths here.

    I'm willing to bet you $100 that the dizziness etc. is just anxiety. Actually, I'll bet $1000.

  • Amica
    Amica Member Posts: 488
    edited August 2018

    InnaB

    I've had CT and bone scan, waiting to have the brain MRI and the whole-body PET-CT. CT showed "at least 2" masses in lymph nodes behind my pectoral muscle, bone scan was clear. So far, the plan is a Femara/Ibrance regime, have already started the Femara. I requested a second opinion, but it is what it is.

    Inna, you seem pretty sharp to me :) thanks for the show suggestion.

  • ColleenS80
    ColleenS80 Member Posts: 271
    edited August 2018

    Amica, thank you 😊 ❤️ I hope your MRI goes well and quickly!

    Hapa, we are similar! she thinks that my tumor was more hormone-driven rather than the HER2 part, and starting my AI/ovarian suppression is the best best thing to do.

    I did ask to have my tumor retested, I think three times now? She has thus far refused, and insists there’s no reason to because she says it wouldn’t change my treatment plan. I’ll be really interested to see what your doc says! I plan on asking the vandy doc too and I’m very interested to see what she says! If she concurs that it doesn’t need retesting, then I’ll shut up about it. :) If she does want it retested, I’ll have a big fat “told you so” waiting on my dr. Let usknow how your apt goes!

  • oxygen18
    oxygen18 Member Posts: 164
    edited August 2018

    Colleen,

    Good for you for asking questions, expecting that the MO will answer without whining about it, and getting 2nd opinion from such an excellent place as Vanderbilt.

    I share the view that the sx you are experiencing are most likely due to the accumulated stress you have been under, though of course it is necessary to check things out.

    I don't know if it's really hot where you are, perhaps drinking more water might help a bit, and getting enough sleep.

    Take care.

  • beeline
    beeline Member Posts: 308
    edited August 2018

    Dani, so glad you are getting some good information!

    Amica and Colleen, wishing you easy MRI's with clear results! Colleen, I'm going to take you as my inspiration when I meet with the MO for the first time next week. I feel like I have a million questions and am going to come armed with all the information I can.

    Hapa, do they not do receptor testing on the surgical tissue as a matter of course? They didn't for me, but I thought it was just a NZ thing. It worries me that there might be more going on there than the biopsy sample showed. It seems most things worry me these days though I never used to be an anxious person! It's on my list of questions for the MO next week.

    Thanks for all the good wishes -- sending mine right back to everyone who is waiting.

  • hapa
    hapa Member Posts: 920
    edited August 2018

    Ok, so I met with my MO. He said my surgical result wasn't that bad, that the path did show that a lot of the cancer cells had died so I did have response to the TCHP. Not only did he agree to redo receptor testing, he was wondering why it hadn't already been done. And he's not even going to bother with IHC testing for Her2, he's going to send it straight for FISH. Based on those results he may also get testing of one of my lymph node specimens. He said based on the receptor results that he may add perjeta to my herceptin, and then neratnib after that since it has been proven to benefit triple positives. I also brought up going back on Ibrance, which I was on for one round as part of a study when we thought I was Her2-, and my tumor had responded well to it before I was switched to the TCHP protocol, and he was receptive to that idea as well. So he was willing to consider all options. He is waiting for me to finish rads (assuming I have it) to start me back on AIs. So anyway, now I love my MO and I want to have his babies. Lucky for him, he just fried my ovaries.

    Colleen, I'm really interested to see what the Vanderbilt people say. Maybe ask the Vanderbilt MO to send your sample for FISH regardless of the IHC result. Is it feasible for you to travel to Vanderbilt for treatment? If so you might just want to change MOs. Are you still getting herceptin?

  • ColleenS80
    ColleenS80 Member Posts: 271
    edited August 2018

    thank you oxygen and Dani! Beeline, I hope the MO is kind and receptive and answers all your questions!

    Hapa, I’m so glad you like (love?? LOL) your new doc! Im so anxious to hear from the Vanderbilt doc as well. I do plan to ask if FISH would be beneficial. Unfortunately, Vandy is 4.5 hours from me and I’m pretty sure out of network, so I’m not sure I could go for treatment. My onc at home does have a relationship with this onc at vandy. She said she trusts her explicitly and would do whatever she said. So, I’m wondering if it would be worth it to stick with my onc and maybe work something out to check in with the vandy dr every so often? I dunno, I’m still trying to figure it all out. :( I sooo wish I was closer to Vandy

  • oxygen18
    oxygen18 Member Posts: 164
    edited September 2018

    Colleen, Perhaps there is some other good university cancer center closer by, that is covered by your insurance co.? Or it's worth asking whether insurance will cover Vandy upon appeal, based on special circumstances. Another question is how many visits to Vandy would you likely need to make.

    Johns Hopkins will do a chart review for a fee of $500. However, they only accept cases from certain states. TN is one of them.

    In any event, I am glad you are staying in good terms with current MO. It is one point in her favor that she is willing to team with Vandy people.

    I had to see my MO many times, and occasionally mine too was crotchety, but she was highly competent so I did not fire her. A key question is how well you can trust your current MO's judgment.

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