Ovary Removal After Breast Cancer - Can anyone share?
Hi friends. I'm so sorry we all have cancer in common but glad to know I can find support here. I hope you are all in good health.
I just turned 45 and got my second diagnosis for breast cancer- stage 1 and they caught it early, no lymph node involvement. (It's not my first cancer returning, but a new breast cancer). I have been on tamoxifen for the last 7 years after a lumpectomy and radiation. I am still pre-menopausal. After this second diagnosis, I just had a bilateral mastectomy and started lupron shots. The tamoxifen caused many (and some large) fibroids - which causes severe bleeding- and chronic anemia. My onc has suggested the lupron shots for several months and then a total hysterectomy (including removal of the ovaries). I'm on board with the hysterectomy and I understand needing to put my body into menopause. But I am concerned about losing my ovaries as I know they perform needed functions even after menopause and losing them increases my risk of early death from other issues, heart disease, and dementia.
I'm wondering if anyone here has faced this decision. Also, if anyone has taken lupron. If I go into menopause from the lupron, get a hysterectomy, take aromatase inhibitors, is ok to leave my ovaries? I'm really terrified about the lasting effects of this irreversible part of the surgery. Even more than I was for my bilateral mastectomy. I'd love your thoughts. Thank you!
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Dear bird_lover,
Welcome to the community. We are sorry that your diagnosis has brought you here but glad that you reached out to our members. It may be a good idea to use the search function on the blue tool bar and type in the word oophorectomy or "Hysterectomy and oophorectomy". Such a search will lead you to other posts discussion this decision and given you more options as to where to post your questions. Be sure to use the quotes if you are using more than one word in the search. Let us know if we can be of help. The MOds
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I was 44 when I had all the baby making parts removed during stage 2 of my reconstruction. It was a very easy surgery with really no pain afterward. I kept asking if they were sure they actually did the hysterectomy. They used the lap-vag technique. My MO said that the latest studies are finding that the only thing the ovaries are really making a significant impact on disease wise was bone health. I can tell you that estrogen has an effect on weight, memory, joints, temperature regulation, and skin. But none of those are diseases-they’re just side effects. And I take supplements to deal with those: curcumin and a blueberry based supplement. I would do it again no problem just for the peace of mind.
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bird lover- yes to the Lupron, yes to facing the same decision, yes to not wanting to lose my ovaries for the same reasons you mentioned. I don’t have any easy answers. I just wanted you to know you’re not alone.
I’ve been on Lupron 10 months plus Tamoxifen. It’s not too bad. At 100% er+, I will put up with a lot of SE. But I can’t really see myself doing monthly shots for the next 5 or 10 Years. It can’t be good to have all that chemical buildup. I notice I start to feel better the week before I’m due for my next shot.
I will be discussing this with my MO again and my ob/gyn next month. Last time I mentioned Oophorectomy to my MO, she suggested against it. That was before the Tailorx results came out. Not sure if she has me on the 5 year or 10 year plan...
The thing is, the risks are real, but still just risk. The Cancer is already a sure thing.
Good luck with your decision.
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HI Lula 73- Thank you for your kind and compassionate response. I am interested to know what the supplements you take are? I did a quick google search and got some confusing results. Can you let me know what ones you take and how they help? I'd love to bring them up to my doctor. Thank you!
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Cpeachymom- I'm so sorry we have this in common but it does help to know I'm not alone. Thank you for sharing. It's also helpful to know you've been on the Lupron for 10 months. My onc wanted me on for 5 and then the total hysterectomy. It's seems like such a major decision to make so quickly. I did talk with her and she told me we could discuss options. I will share what she says. Maybe it will help you! Can you share with me your doctor's reasons for not wanting to do the Oophorectomy? I wish you strength, peace of mind, and good luck. I know they are all hard to find for me these days.
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So the discussion with my MO where I brought up having my ovaries out- she said that she would rather me keep them and stay on the Lupron for 5 years and then let them go back to functioning so that I would get that protective “boost” back after 5 years. I haven’t asked her about 10 Years yet.
But now with them recognizing that with er+, 5 Years is almost meaningless as far as “cured”, if the new plan is 10 Years... I can save myself a lot of trouble with removal.
I’d be interested to hear what your doc says as well. Thanks for the well wishes! Sending some strength your way. ❤️
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bird lover- Here’s whatbi fi to combat the side effects of no estrogen: I take Solgar brand curcumin-helps tremendously with joint/muscle pain and helps some with hot flashes. I take Irwin Organics memory supplement that has a blueberry base for the memory and mind fog issues. I take Natro brand Hair, Skin & Nails Advanced formula for the hair loss/thinning, skin and nail health. I use Cetaphil lotion with a couple drops of lavender or lemongrass massage oil in it as a moisturizer for the dry skin and it helps keep the skin plump and supple. I use just a bit of regular noxzema as a facial moisturizer at night (you should not be able to see it on your face.) And a very light smidge of Vaseline under the eyes in the morning under my concealer and at night before bed to help keep the undereye skin moisturized and help fight the dry itchy eyes. (It should not be shiny.) Hope this helps!
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I was 49 and pre-menopausal at time of dx. I got my last period the day of my first chemo treatment. Chemo put me in 'chemo pause' and I didn't get my period for the three months while on chemo. I then started monthly Zoladex shots for ovarian suppression as soon as I started radiation with the intention of having ovaries removed once I finished radiation. I always wanted to go straight to AI's instead of tamoxifen so I needed to stay in menopause. I had four months of suppression shots and started anastrozole. Had my ovaries removed last November. I think I was eased into the menopause from chemo/ suppression so by the time I had ovaries removed it was an easy transition. I actually feel better without my ovaries. I used to have severe PMS and hormone fluctuations around my cycle. Those are gone and I feel very even as far as moods. No more food cravings either. I've lost 20 lbs since starting anastrozole. Side effects of anastrozole have been joint pain. I get Prolia shots to counteract bone loss. So I didn't need my ovaries anymore so it was an easy decision for me. The one thing I don't like from lack of estrogen is my skin changes. I look at photos of my self prior and now less than a year later and I feel like I 'look' like I've aged a lot.
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Thanks Lula 73. I will talk to my doc about these things! Are you a vegetarian? I noticed a lot of your supplements are veggie friendly. I am a vegetarian... that's why I ask!
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LeesaD- thanks for giving me some hope about easing into the transition. That's exactly why my onc wanted me to do the lupron before the surgery. Can I ask you-- how long did you get suppression shots before taking the ovaries out?
I will ask my doc about the Prolia shots. Do you experience side effects? Do you get them indefinitely or just for a short time and then bone loss is "fixed"?
It's helpful to know you didn't notice any changes to you psychologically. I am seriously concerned for my quality of life. But your note really gave me hope. I appreciate it! Good health to you!
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bird lover- I like veggies but I like meat way more! The vegetarian friendly part was just luck!
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I was very eager to get the ovaries out, due to 100% ER and PR. It gave me the choice of more AI drugs. My GYN was absolutely for ovary removal.
Yes, it's "old school" to remove the ovaries, but if I never took another AI pill again, I would know ER/PR creation has been reduced.
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I was reluctant to have my ovaries removed even when I had complications with Tamoxifen. However, my breast surgeon recommended it because of family history. My oopherectomy was performed during my DIEP reconstruction surgery so I didn’t really notice any side effects, except hot flashes. I am now on Arimidex (generic) and like Mexico Heather glad that I have taken one more step to reduce the estrogen in my body. I will say that I was in my early 50’s so age does make a huge difference with this decision, IMO.
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Bird lover- I did the suppression for just four months so it was four shots.
I have had two Prolia shots so far. I get them every six months. I have not had any side effects yet. I'm not sure how quickly they show up. I've read you have to look out for jaw necrosis and also immediatelyafter the shot there have been some people who've had femur fractures. I've been absolutely fine. My endocrinologist handles the Prolia and the bone loss part of my care. I had osteopoenia at my bone density test before I started taking the AI's and was so close to osteoporosis that he said I needed to take the Prolia. I just had my second shot two weeks ago and he's already given me an appt for another bone density prior to my next shot in Dec which will be at a year to see if there's any change. I think as long as you are in AI's you have to worry about bone loss as it's a known side effect. Also my doctor says there was a study done where results showed that women who had Prolia had a lower percentage of breast cancer recurrence, not even just bone mets but mets anywhere. I've tended to go with every percentage point I can get as far as treatments.
Best of Luck with your decisions! It's not easy.
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