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blainejennifer
blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848

I'm doing it! Getting a second opinion at Roswell Park. Has anyone been there, and have tips/hints/insight? I'll be staying at Kevin's Guesthouse.

I'm going to take the bus, as I don't feel super confident about driving three hours by myself.

This is all with the blessing of my local oncologist, and an eye towards hooking up with an immunotherapy trial.

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  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited June 2018

    I'm leaving today. Spouse ended up taking some time off work, so we'll be driving.

    I'll be staying at the Kevin Guest House, which is for out-of-towners undergoing treatment at Roswell Park. $25 a night for two adults, and you do have to share a bathroom. But, it looks like a nice B&B, and I'm OK with a shared bathroom set up.

    My appointment is for Friday. I'll report back.

    Jennifer

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited June 2018

    Best of luck, Jennifer!

    Tina

  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited June 2018

    WARNING: This post is is long.

    I just got back. It was a fabulous trip.

    We stayed at Kevin Guest House, which is $25 a night for each adult. It is right across the street, and up a short block from the main entrance to Roswell. Off-street parking is free. The rooms are huge. Each floor has two large bathrooms, and they are kept very clean. I never had to wait for a bathroom, and no one ever knocked on the door while I was in a bathroom. Each bathroom is shower only. At least, that's how it is on the second floor.

    Free dinner is at 6:00, and free breakfast seems to be between 6:30 and 9:00. There is always food available in the frig and cupboards. If the food isn't marked with someone's name, you are free to use it. They have a huge Viking gas stove and two refrigerators.

    There are no guest rooms on the first floor, so you have to be capable of going up at least one flight of stairs. Free laundry facilities in the basement.

    My appointment was for 12:27, Friday. I got there early, which is good, because I had failed to fill out the patient questionnaire. I get registered in about ten minutes, and instead of a medical tape bracelet, you are given a green plastic card with all your data on it. This card is your entrance to everything at Roswell. A nurse scooped me up and took my vitals. Kids, I've lost three inches in height! I used to be 5'5", about two years ago; now I'm 5'2". I had to recalculate my BMI, and that was frustrating, cause I'm obese again. Pouting.

    Anyway, after the vitals, you are placed in an examination room, and told to put on a gown so that you can be naked from the waist up, if need be. More history taking with lovely Nurse Nancy.

    Then, the doctor enters. Mateusz Opyrchal, MD, PhD. He has a cuddly, somewhat European accent. He gets right in to it. We talk about the fact that six years in to a stage 4 dx, I am heavily treated. He does take it as a sign of good things that I'm not getting diminishing returns from each new treatment, as I seem to get a year from each new treatment. He pokes and prods me, and asks how physically active I am. He comments that from looking at my history, I should be in big trouble, but I am not. I have a surgeon uncle who keeps saying the same thing. I don't know what they are referring to. Uncle says its because I'm still living my life and getting things done.

    I tell him a careful version of the truth, which is that I'm good for about 30 - 45 minutes of physical labor at a time, then I need to rest a bit. After the rest, I'm good to go again. Here's where I could have killed my darling spouse: when I mentioned that I'm good for 30 - 45 minutes of chores at a go, he snorts! Openly snorts! I know he's thinking how much I hate to vacuum, but I have bony mets right in the middle of my shoulder blades on the spinal column (incredible shrinking lady, remember?), so vacuuming hurts. And, after the eye surgeries, I'm still not allowed to lift heavy stuff.

    Anyway, I hope he hasn't scuppered the trial for me because of injudicious snorting.

    I went to Roswell, because they are recruiting for a phase 1-2 trial which is working with training T-cells to be cancer killers. I have to pass two barriers. First, my blood has to express a certain protein, so they took about a quart of blood yesterday. Shout out to my amazing phlebotomist at home, because Roswell lady was very vigorous in her butterfly placement. Frankly, I felt like I was going to be perfed, but I wasn't. It is more likely that I was just tired and a bit wigged out at the end of the day. If my blood plays nicely with others, then we move on to a tissue biopsy. As I've got a lovely, juicy liver met that is easy to get at, this should not be a big deal. I'd get it done at Roswell, as the only one who does them where I live is a general surgeon, and I want a someone who does this sort of thing several times a week.

    The actual trial researcher (!!!) came in to talk to me to explain the trial. I pretty much groveled and told her how much I believed in this approach, training our own immune systems to seek out and destroy the bad proteins in cancer cells.

    If I qualify (by expressing the right proteins), they'll dialyze me to get what they need from my blood. Then they will beaver away in their lab to train the T-cells to recognize the naughty cells. If that is successful, my own immune system will be squashed for a bit with massive chemo (I think - it used to be radiation back in the old stem cell days). When my immune system is rolling around on the floor, clutching its gonads, the improved T-cells will be dripped in.

    Then we wait. And watch.

    Bad things that could happen are a cytokine storm, where my body freaks out at the new intruder, and makes me very sick indeed. There are ways to stop this, but it pretty much ends the treatment.

    Good things are a remission. That lasts. My longest real remission has never been longer than three months.

    Weird stuff that happened during the trip: 1. I went sleepwalking. Each night at the guest house, I woke up "not in my bed". Once, it was a reading chair downstairs. The other time, I was sleeping on the stairs that lead to the house's back exit. 2. Spouse and I were too freaked and tired to take advantage of being alone and child-free for the first time in, well, ever. We talked a lot.

    It's nap time now. More later when I'm lucid. I'm so happy I made this trip, and think it's going to be a good thing.

    Jennifer

  • JFL
    JFL Member Posts: 1,947
    edited July 2018

    Jennifer, thanks for the play by play. It is good info to have. Good luck getting into the trial. It sounds the same or very similar to the TIL (tumor infiltrating lympocyte) trial underway at NCI - the one that recently went public about "curing" Judy Perkins of Stage 4 BC. Perhaps the locations have expanded - or other trials of similar vein are jumping on the bandwagon. Do you know which trial this is? What protein are they looking for?

  • Paco
    Paco Member Posts: 208
    edited July 2018

    Thanks for your complete recounting of your experience. Thanks especially for the info on Kevin  House. I've always wondered how that place was.

    Who is your trial researcher? Was it an MO? Was it Dr. Tracey O'Connor?

  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited July 2018

    Paco,

    The trial researcher is Amy Whitworth. Kevin's Guest House was a good experience.

  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited July 2018

    Jennifer- Completely exciting! It does sound like the NCI TIL trial. Is the blood protein PDL1? Please keep posting all the info you uncover, if you get in the trial!!

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited July 2018

    Jennifer,

    You are a gifted writer. (Bet you knew that.)

    Thanks for the fascinating account of your Roswell adventure!

    Tina

  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited July 2018

    Cure-ious,

    The study has four groups. The first three groups will need to express the NY-ESO-1 protein. The fourth group will not need to express the protein, as they will be offered a drug to increase the expression of the protein. I think, most of us express the protein in our cancers, but some more than others.

    After this step, it's time to train your T-cells using gene directed therapy. Then suppress your remaining lazy, ignorant T-cells with chemo, drip the educated T-cells in, and . . . wait.

    It heartens me to know that this study is designed to last 15 years for each participant.

    Signing off now, as I want this so much I have to go vomit.

  • Bestbird
    Bestbird Member Posts: 2,818
    edited July 2018

    Hoping you have the same result as Judy Perkins!

  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited July 2018

    How interesting- the NYESO is in maybe 25% of metastatic triple-negative breast cancers, with or without HER2, less often expressed in the other subtypes, but there is a drug to turn it on-? very cool, good luck, maybe you are paving the way for the rest of us

  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited July 2018
  • Chico
    Chico Member Posts: 196
    edited July 2018

    Jennifer

    Thank you so very much for sharing the information re the trial and also your experience in trying to get on it. Wishing you all the luck in the world brave lady - you and the rest of us deserve this sort of chance. xx

  • pajim
    pajim Member Posts: 2,785
    edited July 2018

    Wishing that your tumor expresses the protein. . . Sounds like quite the interesting trial.

  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited July 2018

    I'm in the trial. I don't have full details because while cancer doesn't stop for July 4th, everything else seems to.

    I know it's not a guarantee. If you read up on Judy Perkins, she has a good remission, but two of her cancer buddies died in the trial. One from a staph infection and the other from cancer. https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a21100887/w...

    I am scared. For six years now, everything they've plugged into me has worked for about a year. If this doesn't work, I could be screwed. If it does, well, great!

    More to come, when I know more.

  • 50sgirl
    50sgirl Member Posts: 2,527
    edited July 2018

    Jennifer, WOOHOO for being accepted into the trial. That is exciting news. It is normal to be scared. I would be worried if you weren't a bit nervous because this is a big step for you. This is uncharted territory for you, but think of what the result could be. You could become cancer-free. Wouldn't that feel wonderful? Wouldn't you be pinching yourself to see if you were dreaming? Just thinking about it makes my head spin. Keep in mind that you will be carefully monitored throughout the trial. The researchers learned an enormous amount of information from Judy and even from others in the trial. They are aware of some things that could go wrong as well as what went right, and they will undoubtedly make adjustments because of the knowledge they gained. I will be following you during this adventure and reading every post from you. I am lifting you, the researchers, and the medical team up in prayer.

    Hugs and prayers from, Lynne


  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited July 2018

    Just got back from the most contrasty scan I've had in years. Now, I wait to hear when to show up in Buffalo.

    All digits crossed.

    Can you imagine a future when this is normal? You develop a cancer, the folk in the white coats figure out its achilles heel, target it, and that's it. Your own immune system does mop up. Maybe, they'll even be able to do serological studies or DNA studies to figure out what cancer you'll develop, and you'll get a vaccine for it.

    We are living in the future.

  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited July 2018

    Jennifer- You got in!!! More and more interesting!

    Do you know if you have low, high, or middlin' levels of the NY-ESO-1 antigen?

    The trial says about half of the patients get shrinking of their tumors?!

    Once you do the treatment, will you be on nothing as they watch and scan to see if the engineered immune cells are working?

    And what are the three different arms of the trial testing? will you know which one you were assigned?

  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited July 2018

    Cure,

    I don't know in which arm I'll be going. I think the first three are for those who have adequate expression of NY-ESO-1. The fourth arm is for those who will have their NY-ESO-1 amplified by decitabine, then they will have engineered t-cells poured in to them.

    I do know that after the t-cells have been administered, it is a watch and wait. Oh, I am going to be so full of Ativan. Gentle standing on the sidelines has never been my thing.

    I had the necessary scan today, so I hope to hear from folk tomorrow as to what the next week or two is going to look like. Luckily, my kid is home from college, and can manage the fort here (dogs, cats, etc.), while I can get my fanny on the bus to Buffalo at the drop of a hat. Spouse may have to go out of town for part of that process. He's not loving it, but as primary wage earner, his insurance makes all this possible, so keeping the job is a big priority.

    That giant squeaking sound you are hearing is me.

  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited July 2018

    I'll not be in the trial. I do not express the correct HLA, so I won't even move on to the NY-ESO-1 part.

    In a quick read of all the NY-ESO-1 trials, the correct HLA seems a consistent requirement.

    But, they aren't the only T-cell immunotherapy trials out there. Onward and upward.

  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited July 2018

    Sorry Jennifer, but you are quite correct, now is a great time to be exploring trials.

  • 50sgirl
    50sgirl Member Posts: 2,527
    edited July 2018

    Sorry, Jennifer, That is a bummer! I hope you find another trial that is perfect for you.

    Hugs and prayers from, Lynne


  • JFL
    JFL Member Posts: 1,947
    edited July 2018

    Jennifer, disappointed to hear you are not in. I have been following your updates with anticipation. The next trial you find will be even more promising.

  • Jamie48135
    Jamie48135 Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2018

    First of all I am sorry that you won't be doing this trial. Second I wanted to tell you to look into the TIL trial they are doing at the NIH the same one Judy Perkins did. I got accepted there and have had the surgery and apheresis. Now I just wait for them to call me to go back and get my cells. The biggest difference I can tell between these two trials is that my tumor/cancer did not have to express anything.

    Basically the criteria was you had to have an easily respectible tumor and had to have failed 2 prior protocols. You also have to be healthy enough to endure the trial. You also have to be off chemo for 30 days before you can get your cells back, but theycan freeze them so that did not concern me at all.

    I absolutely loved the NIH. Everybody there was so positive. They want the trials to work just as much as we do.

    When I went for my initial consult they explained the TIL trial in depth but also told me of a couple of other trials that may actually be better for me. My understanding was that depending on how my cells “react" they may or may not recommend one of the other trials. I seriously have been home for 10 days and am expecting some type of updat any day.

    There was a trial that just started accepting patients and it was a cancer vaccine. I believe the first person to get this was at the NIH the same time I was. When I read about that it is also very promising. Can't wait to hear the outcome of this

    We all know the ups and downs of this dam disease all too well. Don't let this get you down too much. There are other trials out there doing this and I for one will keep looking and doing as many as they will let me.

    Always stay positive and be brave!

    Jamie

  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited August 2018

    Jamie,

    Thank you for the info! I am in the waiting queue for the one at the NIH that you are on. It's great to hear that you are doing well. How was the resection?

    Sept. 4, I'm going for a looksee visit for a cancer vaccine trial in Virginia. I have a very boring tumor with only ten actionable mutations, so most immunotherapy trials find me very boring.

    Could you start a new threat with your trial information? All lot of us would be very interested in your experience.

    Jennifer

  • Fiddleman
    Fiddleman Member Posts: 59
    edited September 2018

    Dear Jennifer,

    I am a male with breast cancer. I was treated at Roswell and have nothing but praise for my surgeon and oncologist. The facility, especially the new breast clinic and the staff therein , are warm, compassionate and , above all, competent. I'm fortunate to have one of the best BC oncologists in the area, if not the nation. Unfortunately my treated Stage IIB may have recurred with some suspicious swellings in two lymph nodes near the right clavicle. I go back to Roswell this Thursday for a biopsy and, if necessary, a CT scan and discussion re various treatment options. I fear this is heading to Stage IV, but it is encouraging to hear that there ARE indeed options (including clinical trials that are being held right in my backyard.) I am sorry you did not qualify, and hope NIH will help you in your continuing battle. It is people like you that provide hope to all of us. Thank you for sharing your story.

    Barry

  • Jamie48135
    Jamie48135 Member Posts: 4
    edited November 2018

    Hi, sorry it took so long to get back to this, I don't check it too often. I am currently at the NIH just finishing up the treatment. It was YUCK YUCK YUCK not even going to sugar coat it. But it sounds like I handled it better then some, so could have been worse. I come back in December for the first scan. I will post those results then. Everyone here has been wonderful and I highly recommend getting in touch with the NIH.

    Jamie

  • skyfly
    skyfly Member Posts: 85
    edited November 2018
    Hey Jamie! Am I understanding right that you did a TIL trial similar to Perkins? Can you give any more deets? Was it the same gist—get a sample of T-cells find the most aggressive against the cancer cells, grow them, and shoot them back into you? You mentioned it was yuck. Did you get really ill? I know it really drains the immune system. How do you feel now? I know your primary was removed so you probably can’t tell until the scans.

    I think this line of treatment is really interesting I’d really love to hear anything about your experience.
  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited November 2018

    Ditto, Jamie! Spill the details, for science, and for us.

  • ChuckL
    ChuckL Member Posts: 28
    edited November 2018

    Exciting to hear this Jamie. I too took it to mean the NIH Judy Perkins trial. I wonder how she feels that her name is the noun associated in the MBC world with the immunotherapy trial here? Probably happy.

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