Just Diagnosed - Incomplete Pathology Report

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LuvAll
LuvAll Member Posts: 11
edited May 2018 in Just Diagnosed

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the forum. 74 years-old just diagnosed yesterday with IDC (Invasive Ductal Carcinoma).
I applaud you all for your strength and in need of some myself right now.

The news is slowly setting in and I have some questions I hope someone can answer for me:

Question 1:
I got the pathology results yesterday from my CORE biopsy, however, my doctor told me that they are still waiting on the results for the breast markers : ER, PR, Ki-67, and HER-2/neu and that the results of those markers would take 2 weeks. Is this normal?

Question 2:
The tumor on the pathology report states "Size of invasive carcinoma in submitted cores: 1 cm" does this mean this is the entire size of the tumor?
-Ultrasound guided core biopsy showed it estimated at 1.8 x 1.3 x 1.7cm
- Mammography showed it measuring: 2.0 x 1.4 cm
-Ultrasound showed hypoechoic mass at 2.9 x 1.6 x 1.9 cm
There is such discrepancy amongst the reported sizing is this normal? Which is more accurate?

Question 3:
I'm wondering why I even have to wait for the breast markers (er, pr, her2) to come back. Isn't the first immediacy to remove the cancer before it has spread to the lymph nodes (assuming it hasn't already)?
After reading my eyeballs out I understand that the breast markers give us insight to how the cancer grows but isn't the greater urgency to remove it and then be placed on cancer blocking medicine (e.g., tamoxifen, heparin) ?


Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions.
Love to all you strong ladies out there .

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2018

    luvall - welcome, sorry you have to join this particular club. Question #1 - Yes, it is normal for the hormonal receptor information and Her2 status to take longer than the initial pathology report - the process for these additional tests is more complex and time consuming and in some cases labs send them out if they don't do them in-house. Often these results are on a supplemental or addendum report. Question #2 - The measurement is only of the core itself - which is dependent on where on the tumor it has been taken from, it is not necessarily indicative of the entire tumor size. Different imaging modalities often show somewhat differing tumor sizes, this is very common. The final measurement is the surgical pathology report which looks at the tumor in its entirety if surgery is done first. MRI can be the most accurate imaging for size, and many have one done prior to surgery, or before undertaking neoadjuvent chemo (before surgery), as proper sizing of the tumor is needed before systemic therapy decisions can be made or surgical approach can be discussed, particularly if there have been discordant results with the imaging that has already been done. Also, MRI can sometimes give a more definitive look to check whether anything else is lurking that has previously been unseen in the prior imaging. Question #3 - you need the hormonal receptor and Her2 status before any systemic treatment and surgery decisions can be made. Chemotherapy prior to surgery (neoadjuvent) may be needed if your tumor was triple negative (ER-, PR- and Her2-) or triple positive (ER+, PR+, Her2+), or close to the chest wall or skin and chemo is needed to shrink the tumor to achieve better margins. An informed decision about which order of treatment is best cannot be made without this information. Please don't hesitate to ask additional questions if anything I have said here prompts more inquiry! Here is a link to the page with a booklet you can download about your pathology report from this site:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/diagnosis/path_checklist

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2018

    Hi LuvAll and welcome to Breastcancer.org,

    We're so sorry to hear of your diagnosis, but we're really glad you found us. As you can already see, our amazing Community is full of super helpful and knowledgeable members like SpecialK, always willing to lend information and advice. So, as SpecialK said, please don't hesitate to ask more questions; we're all here to help!

    Also, just know that it may feel like you need to be in a mad rush to get all of the diagnostic information and make treatment decisions as soon as possible, but we can assure you it's best to get as much information about your diagnosis first and then discuss your options with your treatment team. It can feel like forever to put a plan in place, but we know your doctors have your best interests in mind!

    Please continue to let us know how you're doing, and check in often. We'll help as much as we can!

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  • gb2115
    gb2115 Member Posts: 1,894
    edited May 2018

    Special K pretty much covered it, but yes, it's normal to wait for those results before deciding anything. You'd think they would rush you off to surgery immediately, but breast cancer isn't like that. My surgeon told me it doesn't travel super fast like that. It's ok to wait to get all the information before making a plan so that you have the best plan and nothing is done in haste.

    That said, 2 weeks seems a long time for pathology results to come back. Maybe in a week check in with the office to see if anything is back?!

  • LuvAll
    LuvAll Member Posts: 11
    edited May 2018

    SpecialK thank you for your thorough answers. You have brought me peace of mind.

    gb2215 thank you also for responding. Yeah I will most definitely take your advice and follow up in a week.




  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited May 2018

    I had my results, including hormone responsiveness, in 3 days from the local hospital. The HER2 came back as an addendum a few days later. That result was what determined that chemo was needed first.

    The size on the pathology report is only the size of the sample that they took. The various imaging that's done often has discrepancies. A lot of people say that MRI tends to "see" more - sometimes even things that aren't there. All of my imaging was pretty consistent, however.

    And yes - waiting for the full picture sucks but is vitally important!


  • SandR
    SandR Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2018

    The information provided is great.  I just wanted to add that my experience has taught me to be very patient.  The entire process is lengthy and you will benefit by being as informed as possible.  The best information I have found was on this chat board.  I was diagnosed in February 2018.  The first thing I did was to clear my calendar for the next 6 months.  I don't know if the process is longer because I live in a rural area, but it seems to me everything takes longer than I think it should.  Anyway, I had a lumpectomy.  My insurance covered a genetic test, Oncotype DX, which indicated Chemo would not be beneficial.  I just finished 4 days of radiation treatment with 12 more days left.  I drive 3 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 15 minutes of radiation treatment, for 16 total treatments.  So far surgery and radiation have been pain free with no side effects . . . .   

    Again, my tips are research, verify information, make a binder for all your documentation, and gear up with Patience and Perseverance!  You will get through this!

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2018

    Hi SandR! We just wanted to drop a line to welcome you to Breastcancer.org and thank you for your post and tips.

    We wish you the best with treatment. If there's anything you need help with or have any comment for us, please feel free to contact us. We're always here!

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