Peau d’orange— lymphedema in breast/ chest?

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Mps1217
Mps1217 Member Posts: 6
edited April 2018 in Lymphedema

Hello!

I was DX with ILC in December and had my lumpectomy surgery with SNB on January 24, 2018. During the surgery, the surgeon also found LCIS and removed it. A week later, I received a fantastic report of “clear margins and no lymph node involvement.” Also, I only needed radiation, no chemo. I was told my risk of lymphedema was low because I only had two SN dissected.

Fast forward, less than two month, I was about to start radiation when I woke up with pink skin and peau d’orange on the breast I had surgery on. I couldn’t get radiation until my breast surgeon checked it out. She did an ultrasound and felt it was “benign infectious inflammatory process/ possible lymphedema in breast area.” There was skin thickening but no abnormal mass or fluid collection. I never received a biopsy to check for possible IBC. I was placed on antibiotics and shortly began radiation. That was now 3 weeks ago and the symptoms still persist; however, my skin is now red (likely from radiation). The radiation oncologists believes it must be lymphedema of the chest, so I will be seeing a LE specialist soon. I still have two more weeks of radiation, but I plan to make an appointment with my breast surgeon again to recheck the peau d’orange. I am also going to ask for a punch biopsy to check for IBC— though I’m nervous radiation could impact the results.

My question is if anyone has had lymphedema of the chest/ breast? If so, how did it present? Did you have pink/ red skin and peau d’orange? I currently have red skin, peau d’orange, and swelling. I also have some skin flaking but I believe that is from radiation. I do not feel like my skin is hot, tender, or hard, though the ultrasound did show thickening inside the breast. I also do not have any pain. My current symptoms are very similar to some symptoms of IBC, so I’m making myself sick with worry.

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  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2018

    Mps, hello and welcome!

    I'm really sorry about the worries that have brought you here, but hope you'll find both help and encouragement on the boards here.

    You are smart to insist on a biopsy for IBC, because you need the peace of mind in order to get your life back. But the truth is that peau d'orange is indeed a sign of breast LE. The redness you describe can indicate infection, which is why your doctor put you on antibiotics, but it too is a sign of breast LE even when there is no infection present. Lymphedema is an inflammatory condition, and in the breast in particular it can present as redness that does not go away with antibiotic treatment (simply because it's not an infection, its inflammation).

    That said, if you have LE present, the risk of infection is high (bacteria thrive in the warm, protein-rich accumulation of stagnant lymph fluid--sigh!) So, especially since you're doing rads which can compromise your skin, you need to keep a sharp eye out for infection on top of everything else. The kind of infection most commonly associated with LE is cellulitis. Here's information about how to recognize it:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Emergencies_and_Med...

    Okay, so what you need to know is that treatment of breast LE (which consists of Manual Lymph Drainage massage and wearing some compression) can not be done while you're doing rads, or until your skin heals following rads. So you have a way to go before you can begin to get that in order. But once the LE is treated it will both reduce the swelling and restore the skin texture and color. (Some women have a bit of lingering pinkness to the skin even once the LE is controlled.)

    Here's more information about breast LE (which is also referred to as truncal LE):

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/breast_chest_trunck...

    While you wait for LE treatment, there are some things you can do to help control it:

    1. Stay really well hydrated--this helps keep the lymph fluid flowing.

    2. Stop throughout the day and take a few deep abdominal breathes--this stimulates the largest lymphatic vessel in our bodies, which runs from shoulder to abdomen and can be pumped by the diaphragm.

    3. As much as possible, take good care of the skin on your breast--ask your rads doc for help with any skin breaks or burns.

    4. Gentle exercises act as a pump for your entire lymph system (there is no "heart" to pump lymph fluid through your body--muscle movement plus the structure and function of the vessels themselves do the pumping), so gentle arm stretches throughout the day will help. Just remember, no pain!

    5. Speaking of pain, if you are having pain from the rads, do ask for help controlling it and stay on top of it--as a response to pain our bodies send emergency supplies of lymph fluid to the area. Just what you don't want!

    Other women will be along soon with further suggestions, I'm sure, and to share their experiences. Hoping some of this helps to relieve your anxiety! Please keep us posted and let us know how you're doing.

    Gentle hug,
    Binney


  • Vargadoll
    Vargadoll Member Posts: 2,028
    edited April 2018

    Binney your the best! You and Hugz both are so helpful to the new ladies with LE! I wish I had found you guys a year ago!

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited April 2018

    MPS, Just thinking that if your cloths rub and bother you while healing then take a tee shirt and cut it straight up to make it jacket like and let it fly open.

    Let the air and meds you put on heal without the tee rubbing. I did this whilst healing from rads. If someone comes just overlap the jacket for privacy. Shut the blinds to! I went shirtless in the house to while no one was home!

    I'll repost the tai chi breather exercise which is easy to do and study's prove itmoves fluid. Look for it on another thread.

    Ask that you have no bp or needles to that whole quadrant including arm and hand. Be insistent no matter what. It can trigger a le flare or infection and it sounds like your system is compromised.

  • Mps1217
    Mps1217 Member Posts: 6
    edited April 2018

    Wow! Thank you all for your kind words and advice. I greatly appreciate it! I’ll share this information with my daughter that lives 6 hours away. She has been like a mother hen to me ever since I was diagnosed, and I know the information you gave me will help ease both our minds!


    Thanks so much!


    I’ll keep everyone updated whenever I finish radiation and have my punch biopsy

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