Mistletoe or Zadaxin

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Hope77
Hope77 Member Posts: 2
edited August 2019 in Stage IV/Metastatic Breast Cancer ONLY

Hi,

Just want to know how many of us are taking Mistletoe or Zadaxin injection during the chemo.

Heard it will help enhance immune system and also to reduce side effects.


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  • illimae
    illimae Member Posts: 5,710
    edited March 2018

    I don’t believe either of those are officially approved for use in a typical cancer center setting and your usual medical oncologists don’t stray from protocol very often.

    I’m not saying they’re without benefit though, so I am curious to see what others experience has been.

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  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited March 2018

    Have you looked into psk or psp (Trametes) mushroom extracts?  I thought they were popular in Japan and Korea.  They are claimed to enhance the immune system during chemo and lessen side effects.  I know from personal experience that they improve my wife's various blood counts, especially neutrophils.

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  • Kkrenz
    Kkrenz Member Posts: 100
    edited March 2018

    Husband - I have been very interested in Turkeytail, but am unsure how much to take?  How much does your wife take?

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  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited March 2018

    My wife has a few different regimens that she cycles through. 

    One is maitake D extract, 4x, 74 drops a day, based on a bodyweight of 55 kg.  That dosage is based on two studies done in the US showing maximum dose at 5mg/kg/day.

    The other is AHCC, which she takes as per the direction on the bottle, 4 (750mg) pills=3 grams daily. 

    The third regimen is a combo, of 125 mg maitake D extract, which is 34 drops, 4 grams of whole maitake (purchased whole dried maitake from Oregon Mushrooms), (the first two ingredients being the components of the regimen used in the Japanese Hospital study) chaga (harvested / grown locally) tea (1/4 pound to a gallon of water, slow cooked for 12 hours) which we make, and 6 mushroom blend / healing spirits brand (Chaga, TurkeyTail, Reishi, Cordyceps (C. sinensis), Lions Mane, Artist Conk) (2 tablespoons).   She will typically do each regimen for at least a month.  I think its good to mix things up.  All seem about equal in terms of neutrophil boosting results.

    Cost is around $3-4 per day.

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  • Kkrenz
    Kkrenz Member Posts: 100
    edited March 2018

    Thank you...very helpful.

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  • JFL
    JFL Member Posts: 1,947
    edited March 2018

    Hope, mistletoe is not approved here in the US. People do get it - but I think it is from Europe and other countries and through back channels with certain naturopaths. Please keep us posted on your experience with both items.

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  • Hope77
    Hope77 Member Posts: 2
    edited March 2018

    Chaga and lingzhi are popular but they are not recommended by oncologist because it will increase liver marker especially during the chemo. If not taken with high dose of pure extract, said it will be alright.

    Many cancer patients here in Korea are taking mistletoe and zadaxin as an abjuvant therapy but y s, they are not prescribed by oncologiest. so was wondering Whats the practice in western countries.

    High frequency electomagnetic treatment is another well known immune theraphy which i am more keen to combine with the chemo

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  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited March 2018

    Mistletoe is probably more popular here in Europe and some insurance plans will even pay for it. My oncologist told me it works by eliciting an allergic reaction which maybe puts the immune system on alert? Not that he was recommending it. In any case I opted not to go for it (which would have been at another clinic) because I already had enough allergies in the springtime. I do take antihistamines which are supposed to block one pathway for cancer growth. My doctor does prescribe these for me.

    If you do try the high frequency electromagnetic treatment, keep us posted.

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  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited March 2018

    We can get mistletoe here in Canada, through Naturopaths.  My wife was on it for a while.  Her Naturopath delivers it through IV, as opposed to subcutaneously.  They escalate the dosage over time.  Unfortunately my wife got a very serious rash on her face and scalp, and discontinued the mistletoe therapy.

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  • BCStage2B
    BCStage2B Member Posts: 1
    edited August 2019

    I do both Zadaxin and Mistletoe injections. I made a personal choice to forego chemo and radiation, as well as the 10 years of hormone therapy, and I'm doing very well on the injections and supplements. Hope this helps.

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  • BevJen
    BevJen Member Posts: 2,523
    edited August 2019

    Mistletoe therapy is available in the US from some naturopaths, and it's apparently not clandestine. George Washington Hospital in DC has a Complementary Therapy office and they give mistletoe intravenously -- it's sitting right there on their website.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2019

    Heidi hill which antihistamine are you on, if you don’t mind sharing?

    Thanks

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