Simultaneous Prophylactic BMX & Oophorectomy/Hysterectomy?
My family history and gene test (palb2 mutation) have me convinced that the prophylactic double mastectomy option is the right treatment. I met with the surgeon this morning and I also have a referral to gyn/oncology because he wants me to discuss the possibility of prophylactic oophorectomy/hysterectomy with them. That part makes sense to me. What I was surprised about was the suggestion that I have it all done on the same day. Has anyone had both at the same time? What is the recovery like for that?
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Hi Mybuddymypalb2-
Welcome to our community! We know it's not an easy decision, but it sounds like you've made the right decision for you.You may want to check out our forum on members who're at a high risk for breast cancer, there's lots of info there and some threads on prophylactic procedures you may find helpful: https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/47
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Thanks, Mods! I wasn't sure which section of the forum was best for this question and I only saw one other post asking about it but no responses there.
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ShimmerGal- combining the oophorectomy with the mx at the same time will be up to the surgeon and likely will depend on what type of recon you're having. If you're going with no recon or implants the likelihood of combining the 2 is high. If you're going with natural tissue reconstruction then they would likely put the oophorectomy off until stage 2 (typically 3 months later) due to volume loss issues. I had BMX with immediate natural tissue recon and then had all the baby making parts removed in stage 2. Stage 2 is a much easier surgery too. If oophorectomy is done laparoscopically or lap-vag the recovery is much easier than open abdomen.
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Lula, thank you for the info! That makes sense. I am considering either a DIEP or no reconstruction, not sure yet. I haven't had all the consults yet so I'm still reading more of this forum on that topic too, since it seems like it will be at least a month before plastics will book an appt.
And apologies for any confusion, I had an emotionally messy night and starting second guessing everything about these procedures and changed my username this morning. I felt like I didnt want the name of the mutation to define me in any way. I wanted something more hopeful sounding. So hopefully with boobs or no boobs, ovaries or no ovaries, hope I can still shimmer, shine, etc and all that.
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Love the new username, ShimmerGal! where are you looking at going for DIEP?
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All of my procedures will be done at the local military hospital. I'm a mil spouse. So lots of things I read about choosing docs and getting second opinions doesn't really seem readily available to me unless I want to start paying a lot to see those providers w/o them taking my insurance. The DIEP scares me because I read that the new foob can go into necrosis if there's anything wrong with the blood supply. I am DD now, & I definitely want to go smaller, whatever I choose. My surgeon didn't seem familiar with the newer Goldilocks procedure so I don't believe that will be an option given. Going flat seems like the least chance of any complications and the quickest recovery, use less sick leave and all that which is a concern if I am splitting things across multiple surgeries. I've scheduled an appointment at a mastectomy boutique to see the various prosthetic options in person and I hope that might help me decide. I won't be able to get in for the plastics consult for a loooooong time it sounds like!!! maybe five weeks.
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ShimmerGal- you may want to see if NOLA accepts your insurance. I’m assuming it’s tricare (but could be wrong). Pretty sure they take it. If nothing else it would give you a choice of facilities/docs to select from.
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I've seen NOLA mentioned in many posts on here, they seem like a great facility!! I am not sure how the logistics would work out, with the distance and the travel. but their site has some great info on it, so I'll keep on reading!
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Here's the rundown of how travelining to NOLA for the surgery works. You also have a phone consult with their patient liaison Liz, Vickie will verify your benefits, and you will send photos of yourself via their secure email system. Vickie will tell you how much you need to pay to cover your out of pocket portion if any. When she gives you that number, and you pay it, that's it. They do not balance bill you if insurance doesn't pay what they thought they would. The center can also help you with lodging in an area hotel, you can rent an Airbnb or stayalfred or see if Hope Lodge has availability.
You need about 9-10 days in NOLA for stage 1:
Day 1 is travel day in
Day 2 is pre-op
Day 3 is Surgery
Day 4 & 5 are in Hospital
Day 6 is discharge
Day 9 is post-op visit
Day 10 is travel day home
You need about 8 days for stage 2:
Day 1 is travel day in
Day 2 is pre-op
Day 3 is Surgery
Day 4 is discharge
Day 7 is post-op visit
Day 8 is travel day home
You can always fly in the night before pre-op vs the day before and fly out evening of post-op visit to reduce the number of days. Unless you have major complications you will not need to travel back to NOLA until the next procedure is scheduled. Minor issues are handled via phone & email if pics are needed.
I don't know if you have schollage kids at home or not but if you do... You can leave the kids with a trusted friend or family member or bring them with. The center has a Murphy bed in your room if your DH wants to stay with you if it's just you two. If you bring the kids, DH and the kids can visit you during the day as they would do if you were at a local hospital and head back to the hotel or Airbnb afterward for the night. The patient to nurse ratio at the hospital there is 1:1, in a pinch 2:1, so its nothing like other hospitals where 1 nurse has 10+ patients. You will be well taken care of and promptly when DH isn't there. Once discharged, you'll stay at the hotel or Airbnb until post-op visit. Stage 2 is far less complicated and much easier and faster to recover from. A trusted friend or family member can definitely travel with you for that one if needed. My dad watched my kids for stage 1 and DH went with me. DH stayed home with kids for stage 2 while my mom accompanied me. We had intended to take the kids both times but they had things going on at school that they were very excited about and did not want to miss during stage 1 and our 12 year old had started a new school (traditional school where he had been in a more montessori style School) and was still transitioning when stage 2 happened and we felt he'd be better off staying the course at school. In short, it's definitely doable and almost all of us that have gone to NOLA traveled for it. (I'm in NC.)
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I have palb2 as well and had both procedures.
First of all let me tell you how.much compassion I have for your difficult decision .
I had a very long surgery when i did reconstruction but also has implants placed nipple reconsteuction. In hIndsight I would not do it at the same time. If you read the hystersisters board it is all about the gyno part. OrthoScopic is the way to go or the robotic is way better recovery wise.
You have time to find a kickbut plastic surgeon that maybe can do nipple sparing. That would be the ideal. You have some decisions to make about implants vs DIEP. I will pm you more but please keep asking questions and take your time to find a time to do the surgery that will work the best for you.
It is a panicked anxiety inducing process.
I have also found the force website to be helpful.
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If I'm not going to be able to feel them anyway, and if the nipple sparing surgery just makes the procedure more complicated, I am not sure I would want to opt for that? I guess I have to wait to talk to plastics (waiting weeks for this appointment is going to drive me mad) but I feel like less surgical risk and less chance for complications would give me more peace of mind. maybe this is a side effect of all the biopsy-related-anxiety they've caused me over the years, but I hate the way my breasts/nipples look. If any of that remaining tissue is going to flip out and try to become cancer in the future, I don't want to spare any of it. I do see how it would promote a sense of "normalcy" afterwards though. ugh, so many decisions.
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ShimmerGal- see what the PS has to say on the nipples considering the genetic test results. Having them removed is actually the more difficult path as you have to close the hole that is left once they’re gone. Sparing skin and/or nipple is easier as they just “scoop” the breast tissue out if you will. I had an incision straight down from my nipple to chest wall and that was it. They did everything through an incision about 2.5” - 3” long. You don’t mention why you don’t like your nipples...if it’s positioning or ptosis, they can correct that during stage 2.
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I would certainly not do the mastectomy and the oo at the same time uhg you would be under for a really long time. My mastectomy and expanders install was like 6 or more hours and the recovery was long like 5 to 6 weeks.
My swap to implants was done with the TAH but the surgery rooms would not let me do orthoscopic at the same time so I did open abdominal and would not recomend that to anyone.
I also have the PALB2. If you need support or to talk to someone feel free to pm me. I two years out so it's helpful sometimes to talk with someone who has been there.
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I'm wondering if I can just put off the oopherectomy decision for a year or so? I'm so scared of menopause at 35 with no HRT allowed for the symptoms
Thank you, I'll message you after I talk to gyn/onc because maybe I don't even know what the whole situation is yet.
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I think that is worthy of getting more information. Early menopause is wretched. Do you have a family history of cancer? They are still studying preventive dosing of tamoxifen etc. In my situation my mother's sister died of ovarian cancer at a young age so the MO OBgyn felt strongly about the OO.
I also think that time is on your side. Yoi have time to work through the process and get the information you need. Keep with the screening. They are not sure but the speculate that PALB2 acts more like braca2 but it's really all a guess. You Can Also Look up the specific gene abnormality from your report it might be helpful. The force website has some good info.
I have talked to some women with brca2 who travelled to get a DIEP. I did not have that option because of the cancer diagnosis unfortunately time was not on my side. I could have opted for a dbl mastectomy mastectomy then revisited the reconstruction after I was done with chemo.
It's a big shock give it time to sink in and be kind to yourself.
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ShimmerGal - Given what I understand I don't think there's any reason in the world to try to fit the hyst/ooph decision in at this time.
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Hello! I just want to have an opinion from you all. I am carried a BRCA1 and my doctors said that i have to do a mastectomy and hysterectomy. I talked with a PS and he said that is better idea to do the mastectomy first and then wait to heal then we can do the reconstruction. I have big boobs so he is hoping my skin will shrink and my nipples go upper in place. He recommended the silicone implant for my breast reconstruction and then he will use a fat grafting for better shape. Any advise would be very appretiative.
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Hi joy2! For those questions, I don't really have any insight and I think you might get more visibility and answers from women who have been through that if you post a new thread. I think your questions are important & that they might be hidden way down here in the hyst/ooph question thread!
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Quick update on my hyst/ooph situation: the gyn/onc doc I spoke with today also does not recommend either procedure. That is a big relief. However, he said some data recently indicates that those cancers might originate in the fallopian tubes, so if I were to choose to go for it, that he would recommend removing the tubes. He thinks it is best to wait until I heal up from the PBMX procedure first, so this would be maybe around Sept at the earliest that I'd consider doing this. I will do more research on that procedure, because before my appt I had not even considered this to be an option and thus I know very little about it. At least it would be done laparoscopically so the recovery will be relatively easier!
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ShimmerGal-
I have just had a similar conversation with my oncologist. I have a PALB2 mutation and my paternal grandmother died of BC at age 43 (I'm 46), so I'm looking at a BMX with no reconstruction because I want to only have one surgery. Because of what I have heard about the the growing thinking that PALB2 is very similar to BRAC, I asked my OC about the idea of having an ooph at the same time as my BMX - especially since he recommends that I begin a drug treatment to induce a chemical menopause. He shocked me by saying that his recommendation is to wait 5 years before doing so! His response was that having an ooph is irreversible, and at least if I try chemical menopause I can reduce the meds if the symptoms are too bad. This has definitely given me more food for thought and the #1 take away was not to try and rush into anything, which sounds very similar to what you heard!
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missmelissa90 - sorry you are in this same boat! I'm hoping in a few years they have more research and data on the ovary removal and if it's really necessary, when it's time for me to decide.
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