Grumphy McAsshole feelings re: my rads team. And you?
Dear Gamma Grrls: I'd like to share the fact that I feel both jealous of and incredulous about the stories and asides I read of women loving their radiation techs. I sure do not. And I sooo need to vent.
Rant topic #1. Radiation tech small talk. Ordinarily I am happy to talk to just about anyone, but I want it to mean something. For this reason, I dislike hair salons. Radiation therapy seems very much like going to a hair salon except I have *#$(*# cancer and am lying naked in the middle of a room being irradiated.
Rant topic #2: Radiation tech greetings. To the radiation techs who say, emptily and with faux cheer: "How are you today?" each morning I would like to say "How am I? I have cancer, my boob is mutilated, I have cancer [twice because I've been extremely forgetful since my diagnosis] and now I'm being blasted with radiation. That is how I am." I get that that is a relevant question for doctors and nurses and PAs to ask, but for radiation techs who clearly are saying it automatically, without a purpose -- it just seems gross and inappropriate. Why not just: "Hi" or "good morning"?
Rant topic #3: Radiation tech attempts to go beyond small talk. I don't know about you, but as for me, I'm still adjusting to this diagnosis, still wrapping my head around what has happened to my body. I'm not "there" yet, to the point where any of this shit is normalized to the point where I feel like talking about what I did over the weekend with strangers while I am prone, half naked, baring a mangled boob.
Rant topic #4: We are not a many-headed patient-hydra. One day last week when it was -1 F outdoors and I came into the freezing radiation room wearing two gowns, a hat and a scarf, one of my radiation techs said, as I was getting situated on the gurney, "I feel sorry for you guys, it's so cold in here." Both her delivery (blase, light, whatever-ish) and the content really bugged me. We are all different. We are all involuntarily on an awful journey, not of our choosing. We're not a monolithic group of humanity -- but I guess to her we are. I can imagine that -- they see patient after patient, all day long, day after day. But still, for me, not having accepted my diagnosis, let alone the loss of my breast, let alone the fact that I need RT -- that was really a crap thing to hear. Also, if you're gonna feel sorry for "us" -- how about the fact that we have effing cancer rather than that we have the shivers?
Rant topic #5: Musical accompaniment to radiation. Where I am it's pop-rock from the late 1960s-1970s ("Where is the Love," "Seasons in the Sun," "I learned the truth at 17," "Cats in the Cradle," "Alone again (Naturally)). I find this dispiriting. It's like the soundtrack to a sad Oxygen Network movie about a doomed but feisty lady with breast cancer. F that.
Thank you for listening. And if you have spleen to express, BRING IT ON.
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Lol- thank you! The small talk threw me at first, and on days I was feeling really crappy I just shook my head at them and they stopped.The doc asked me when I finished rads if I wanted to ring the bell. I’m like No, I’m not gonna celebrate having cancer! But at least my techs always offered me a heated blanket.
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Radiation is often dehumanizing. I remember getting poked and prodded like a piece of meat until I was in "position." The small talk? I had a male tech, and we'd talk about sports while he was adjusting my arm above my mangled boob. Oh, they didn't have music at radiation, but every time I came into the waiting room, the patients had switched to "Bonanza" on the TV. Ugh.
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lol, today they were playing “staying alive “ during mine , ugh
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Well, you go, girl, and get your anger out. Radiation feels like a "slam bam, thank you ma'am" kind of therapy. It is lonely and oh so frightening. I appreciate that you can express your feelings!! That music business would do me in. That's AWFUL!!
Six years ago when I went through Rads, I cried all morning driving myself to Rads on that first day. I just completed a single Mastectomy, followed by 6 months of chemo and Herceptin. I was totally and utterly depleted. Plus, it was an Ohio summer with 95 degree temperatures.
First day of Rads - Rad Tech #1 - nice lady, Pat, comes in, introduces herself, and tells me I can undress here right in the rad room as no one was around - waist up off. So I did. I am so relieved that I have such a nice grandmotherly type Rad Tech. "Maybe this won't be so bad!" I ponder!
I put on the hospital's pretty gown (nicer than most) while she left the room.
A few minutes later, in comes Rad Tech #2 - Mr. Hunk aka Brad. Early 40s, looks like a movie star with a great smile and that salt and pepper kind of perfect hair. . I immediately feel self-conscious and want to run out of the room. "How much worse can this get," I think to myself. Then I notice Brad looking at the floor and he says very casually and calmly, "Oops, you dropped something."
There on the floor with the radiation machines looming overhead was my Foam Foob bouncing across the Rad Floor. It had fallen out of my bra that was hanging on the hook.
Well, I tell you, that broke the ice. I busted out laughing and chased the foob. From that day forward, Brad, Pat and I were friends. All these years later, I still stop and say hi if I am in the area. We always talk about the Floor Foob.
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i am finished with my radiation therapy thank God!! my first experience first day was. I shared with the Rad tech I was feeling unsure about getting radiation in the first place. I was nervous of the side effects and of course I still have to work and am the main money maker in my household. Her response." well its a little late in the game to back out now." which of course thoroughly pissed me off. I informed her it was my body and I would do as i please. Really all I wanted was a little kindness. Instead for the next 16 treatments I got the cold shoulder, I have never experienced such callus uncaring people. Ii am so glad it is over.
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My techs were very nice. During the small talk somehow dogs were brought up. Of course I started to rattle on about Spookie. So during the many weeks, once in a while they’d ask about her. The day before my last tx, THEY asked me to bring her in!!! I put her best bow in her hair, and took her😍. They held her while I was on the table.
They aren’t all jerks.
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My tech were nice, but I had problems with the radiation oncologist. My first "skin check" involved her asking me how I was doing in passing in the hallway. I didn't realize that was my "appointment" with her so it never went further than pleasantries. I had to fight to get face time with her the rest of the 6 weeks, and probably came across as a b**** doing so. But seriously, how can you bill insurance for small talk in the hallway and sleep at night....?! I was told that my appointment time was scheduled during her lunch break. And this was my problem....how exactly?!
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Girl, no need to apologize here! Venting is totally appropriate and you are fine to not want to chit chat with people.
That being said, my tech are nice. There are 3 women that rotate shifts so there are always 2 there but sometimes they are all there. I don't talk much either when I'm there. I say hi, give my birthday, sometimes answer a question about the weather outside because they are in a basement all day, and then I pretty much shut up once I lie on the table until I say bye see you tomorrow. I can't wait to never see these people again.
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hi scaligirl
Love spooky and would've loved to bring my choc lab Vince with me to treatment but could'nt
My rad techs were very good. One male one female both had decades of experience I got lucky in that regard
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My daughter is a Radiation Therapist and I certainly have been giving her a list of dos and donts.
The reason they ask how you are going is that if you are having a rough time or a nasty side effect they can refer you on to get help ASAP. One of the things my daughter told me to do was to speak up even if my side effects “weren’t that bad” as it’s better to get on things early.
My techs have been lovely but my daughter did a few placements with them so they know I’m her Mum. She actually got offered a job with them but didn’t end up taking it as she had a job elsewhere. I have told my girl that you feel like a piece of meat getting positioned with everyone talking over you doing measurements and calling out numbers. I told her to be really kind to her patients because getting radiation is scary and confronting.
I’m sorry some of you have nasty techs. If you have any advice for my girl I’ll pass it on.
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This was over 7 years for me now, but I still have very bad feelings about radiation. Part of it is because I think there's a professional oath radiation oncologists and techs must take to completely block out how much the treatment F's up the innocent tissues in the path of the beam. We don't even have the worst of it - find a few guys who had radiation for prostate cancer and suffer from the permanent bowel side effects that can cause.
There's a difference between honestly asking a person how they are doing in terms of the horribly damaging treatment they are receiving, and babbling it out by rote. They don't have to be nasty to make a person feel like a burger going on the grill.
I hated radiation. Hated knowing I was doing that much unfocused damage to part of my body. Hated the shallowly-nice techs. Hated the damn bell. Hell no I did not celebrate when I finished permanently scarring - from skin on my chest through to skin on my back - that entire section of my body.
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My techs were all very nice (my RO... not so much). I agree that the “how are you” is because they are the front line to report side effects or problems. I did not mind small talk; I had kids that run XC, as did one of the techs, so we’d chat about that.
Around the time I started burning and getting uncomfortable, the song “this girl is on Fire” came on.😳 I did politely ask them to never play it again.
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My experience with rads began when an intern handed me a marketing brochure during my initial consult. Lord help me! Just answer my questions and keep the brochure with the smiley faces for now, sir.
The rad onc I saw was very talented and overworked. I literally had to BEG her to return my call when deciding to do full or partial rads. My MO tried her and she ignored him, as he suspected she would. Her rep is that she is brilliant and a beyotch. She has since moved on to another leading hospital, so she may have been in a less than ideal place. She did help me, and I am grateful. I no longer focus on how I felt having to work so hard to get her attention when important decisions needed to be made. The last time I saw her, I told her how I felt - vulnerable and terrified - and that I appreciated the help but needed more from her. She understood. Not long after, I saw a woman RUN to her and hug her and said she was NED. She has to be around 21 years old. I think I began to understand what a hard job she had, and that she had the world on her shoulders.
As for the techs, I arrived first day around 11am and the waiting room was full. People were in every stage of disease - many clearly suffering. My reaction was to wish to RUN as fast as I could out of there. I could not understand why God would allow this level of suffering. So many beautiful people suffering. I was still reeling from diagnosis, had lost my job before the diagnosis ....I was thoroughly and deeply frightened.
The lead tech called me in and told me that she thought I looked both afraid and somewhat distraught. I am usually very strong, but I told her how I felt about all this suffering. She asked if I could get there for the first appt of the day for the next few weeks - around 7:00 am - because the waiting area was quiet. I hugged her.
I showed up the next day at 7 am and met a crew of 80 year old men who had become friendly as they got radiation for prostate cancer. They chatted with me each morning. It helped so much.
The techs were kind. I could not believe that they had guys in there dealing with naked breasts, but I quickly realized that they saw it all sorts of body parts day in and day out and mine were nothing special. I stayed upbeat and positive and just wanted to get the heck done with it all. Sometimes I felt myself sliding into panic mode, but I kept counting the minutes til I could leave. So I guess I was more focused on keeping on track and getting it done and dashing out of there. I have never been that scared. The techs asked me how I was as the first line of reporting should something be wrong. I didn’t really focus on them alot just because the fight or flight mechanismwas out in full force. I just wanted out each morning. There was a big boss guy running the department and he constantly checked in and asked if all was okay. That helped too.
At the end of treatment, I gave my fave co-patient a “graduation gift" - a book that means alot to me - when their rads were done. I received in the mail the most beautiful letter of encouragement along with a small gift that remains the best thing given to me aside from my wedding jewelry. To me, it made this unexpected and uncomfortable experience understandable and worth it. My techs all got gift certificates to Sephora. They never lost their smiles, even when confiding that their own family was sick and they were worried too. And they were relentlessly professional when I looked like a very scared human being.
So I had a difficult rad onc, an angel of a tech who saw my worry and got me in a better schedule, getting boob naked with strange men who I ended up liking, getting encouragement from 80 year old men who brought me back to life in that waiting area....nothing was perfect yet everything was in the end. I suffered trying to get information on treatment, but once that was agreed upon, I made peace with the physical downsides of rads - short and long-term. My breast looked as though I had the worst sunburn x 10 (and aquaphor was the saving grace.) My boob shrunk, is scarred and not very pretty.
My rads experience was like the whole of cancer itself - you have no idea what is coming, and some of it will test your resolve, cause you to be absolutely terrified and doubting all that you know — and other parts will leave you so damn grateful. I would be absolutely delighted to have missed this experience and be ignorant about cancer, but it’s given me alot of insight. I am still working out how I feel about it all!
xx. Love, Belle
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I am a recovering radiation patient two years out. Still trying to put it behind me. A miserable experience all in all. Love your last paragraph Teddy.
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Samheranah- I was feeling the same way about my techs after the first few days. I wasn't comfortable feeling that way so asked myself what would make it better. I realized I needed that more personal connection with the techs because they were getting VERY personal with me. The next session, I told them that I needed to have information about them so I didn't feel like a piece of meat on the butcher's table with all the lines drawn on it. They were horrified that's how I was feeling and have been willingly answering my questions. I think I was expecting them to make me feel comfortable, but I needed to know in MY head first what that would be and then I need to advocate for myself to make sure I got it.
One thing I've realized reading about everyone's story is that while our journey is the same or similar, everyone is different. Someone else probably copes with radiation better if everything is kept impersonal. I imagine working with people who can have such differing needs from one patient to the next is hard and they probably start using the perceived "falseness" until they have a road map on how to handle us. One of my techs also made the comment that they were intense because they are focusing on millimeters and wanted to make sure they got everything right to minimize exposure. Perspective is such as funny thing- all depends which side of the camera you are on
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When I lay down for the first time, I saw that someone had drawn a tiny smiley face on a bit of surgical tape and stuck it where one's eyes would fall under the upper arm of the machine. That little bit of humanity made a huge difference in my overall experience. I also meditated pretty much from the moment I entered the room until I was out and dressed.
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