Incision placement for excisional biopsy for papilloma
My recent stereotactic biopsy showed a papilloma with a cluster of micro calcification located at 7'oclock and will be getting an excisional biopsy soon. I know that these can occur near the nipple or deeper in the breast and this will help determine where the surgeon will make the incision. Usually the incision will be around the areolar area and other times it will on the breast tissue itself. My BS mentioned that he might be able to do it at the bottom of the breast.
Could you please share where your papilloma was located and where the surgeon made your incision? How did the scar heal? If it was under the breast did it make the healing process more difficult ? And anything else you can think of to add.
I will be meeting with my BS again for more details and would like to have some more info so that I can ask him more informed questions. Thanks in advance.
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Has anyone had an excisional biopsy where the incision was not around the areola
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I had an excisional biopsy for ALH. My incision was not around my areola but quite a bit above and medial. They did find an intraductal papilloma on excision. Sorry but hope that helps and good luck to you.
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Not sure if this helps... my lump was just above the nipple, slightly towards the armpit. 1 o'clock position. I asked the surgeon where she would make the incision. I assumed she would just cut me open above the lump, dig in and take it out. (this was for the excisional biopsy). She said her point of entry depended on where the radiologist placed the wire guide. (I am not actually sure if it was the radiologist who put in the wire guide or not. It was a medical looking man.)
Instead of him placing it in the front of my boob, which seemed to me the most reasonable spot. He entered way back towards my armpit and placed the wire guide from there! That was a long trip from armpit to nipple!
So, if you have to have a wire guide placed, that may determine where the incision is placed. Although I am not sure how those two are connected. When I had my lumpectomy later, the surgeon again did NOT enter directly over the lump, but tunneled in from the side and cut out all the tissue she had made contact with in the surgical biopsy. My scar is mostly on my side, underarm area with just the tip of the scar being under the underwire of my bra.
Good luck to you. Hugs.
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Latonia~~thank you so much, that does help.
Runor~~I never would have thought that the actual entry of the wire would dictate where the surgeon would make the incision. I would have thought that the BS would make his incision where he thinks best in regards to the location of the "issue" and would cut inside until he reaches the tip of the wire. Thank you for this info. I will be sure to talk to the BS about that. Thanks again.
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Silbar, I am not sure what helps surgeons come to decisions. In my case it might be that my lump, despite being fairly near the surface, was absolutely not detectable by feel. Surgeon said if she'd been able to feel it she wouldn't need a wire guide. I don't know. I was surprised by the placement of the incision too. The end of the wire stuck out my armpit, was rolled up and taped in place. I told Hub to get out his cellphone and see if he could get Wifi off my boob wire.
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That's funny!
I meet with the BS on the 17th and I will be sure to discuss this with him. I would like to know if he discusses the wire placement with the radiologist prior to the placement. If he can go in from the bottom of my breast then the scar would not be as visible in my bathing suit but I am more concerned about getting this removed and biopsied more than I am about any scar. My hematoma has resolved almost completely I think...it still feels a bit lumpy in that area but not like it did several weeks ago. Hopefully he will give the OK and then I only have to wait for the insurance to authorize it.
Thanks for your help!
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I think it would be a good thing if the surgeon and wire placing person had a talk prior to the event. For me, I had the wire stuck in in one hospital, got in the truck and Hub drove me an hour away to a different town to have the surgery at another hospital. It was stupid.
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Wow, that IS crazy! I would be so afraid to move in case the wire shifted or something. I see that your lumpectomy was last April and then radiation and Tamox...how are you doing now?
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Runor, I didn't have to go that far, but my mom had to drive me about a mile from the breast clinic to the ambulatory surgical center. I sat in the waiting area with a dixie cup taped over my boob...
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I guess we have to find some humor in all of this
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Silbar, what worried me is that Hub is a notorious fainter. He passes out at the sight of blood, gore or even hearing about something gruesome. I was very tense that he would be thinking about the procedure I had just had and pass out while he was driving! So I was trying very hard to lighten the situation (and save us from an accident) by cracking jokes about my boob having wifi reception.
I was braced for the placement to hurt like hell. It didn't. The dentist does way worse things to me! I look back now with amazement of how I gritted my teeth, took a deep breath and thought, well, this might hurt like an SOB but it's not going to kill me so .... THey froze me and placed the wire at around 9 in the morning and I was due for surgery at 11:30 at another hospital. I sat in the waiting room, wire in my boob, taped to my armpit, and waited. And waited. And the freezing came out. And I waited more. And by the time they finally did surgery on me, at 3:30 that day, no food, no drink and a wire in my boob that I could now feel, I was not a happy camper! However, recovery from that excisional biopsy was a breeze. I was amazed at how I bounced back. I went shopping the next day!
The lumpectomy itself, a month later, was another story. But it is not a typical story and in most circumstance women do very well with their recovery.
How am I doing now? You know, I have come to hate that question. I get up and go through the motions of my day as I have for my whole life. Only nothing is the same. Breast cancer isn't just a disease of the body, there is a process that happens in your mind, in your heart, in your view of your place in the world. It's a shock and adjustment on two levels. My body is recovering. I am doing what I can to manage the lymphedema. Outwardly I look unchanged (unless you're looking at my boob but no one does that but me). But inside, in my head ... different story. A story that's not over yet. So when people ask me how I am I say fine, because there is no way to explain how I really am. And mostly no one wants to know the truth anyway. Except other cancer people. They get it. My closest friends no longer ask how I am but say. 'It's good to see you', and we both know, without saying it, that I am scared every, single day. As I have said in another post it's not about HOW I am doing, but that I AM doing. That I get up every day and get on with it, even though the scare and shock makes me wants to put the blankets over my head and not move (except to get coffee. Must have coffee)
I had another scare at the start of this month when a huge lump popped out of my good boob, and the mammogram report said that the weird mess that first alerted them to my cancer IS STILL THERE! It was December 2016 that all this crap started and December 2017 I was right back at it hearing the words "carcinoma cannot be ruled out" and I fell apart. For Christmas dinner I said I am NOT having the big gathering, just Hub and the kid, and I made grilled cheeses sandwiches. (best Christmas ever!). Despite being butt deep in snow right now, I am feeling cautiously hopeful. But I was feeling hopeful before I got the rug yanked out from under me so now I am more gun shy than before! So to answer your question, how am I doing? I'm not sure. I just get up and DO. Everyday.
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Runor~~I am so sorry that I brought up a painful question for you. Your answer was so heart- wrenchingly honest !!!!
I pray that each day will bring you one bit closer to feeling peace and safety again.
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Don't be sorry. I'm a tough old broad!
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I was diagnosed with papillary carcinoma in situ and scheduled for a lumpectomy. I asked for a radioactive seed. They can be placed up to a week in advance. I had already told my surgeon I did not want any incisions around the areola, that I wanted infra mammary. However, at the last minute a radiologist found a couple areas of microcalcs and so ended up with two seeds and had a lumpectomy plus an excisional biopsy as I mentioned in another post. I am a bit of a bleeder so had a lot of bruising with the initial core biopsy and also the seed placement. However, the seed placement is done under local anesthesia and did not hurt a bit and there is the added bonus of no wire sticking out. I am under the impression that the wire does dictate entry point but maybe not. The seed is sort of like being microchipped and has tiny levels of radiation. Honestly, given the choice, I do not know why anyone would want to have a wire localization which to me sounded barbaric. Even the radiologist said seed was easier on the patient. And yet, I was not offered this option, I had to ask for it.
And as far as wanting as good a cosmetic outcome as possible, that is perfectly normal. My surgeon had to revise her plan when the excisional biopsy was added, so I don't have an infra-mammary scar, but the scar is barely visible and looks great. Afterwards I was actually glad she took that approach over what I had initially thought I wanted. I think infra-mammary might have been very uncomfortable. I think the bottom of my sports bra and the binder they sent me home with would have bothered an incision there.
I had a lot of pain with my tumor and it bothered me for over two years before it was finally addressed, so I was very proactive about pain control. That was a big reason I wanted the seed vs wire. By the time I was diagnosed even a mammogram was agony. The head of the US wand hurt like hell. Any pressure or compression sent me through the roof. I was also scheduled for SNL and had asked for topical anesthesia cream for the injection of the radioactive mapping material. People told me it hurt and I knew my pain threshold was pretty low. The PA told me that even sensitive patients managed without it. I said I didn't care, that I wasn't "sensitive," I was in pain... I also pointed out that other centers actually used local anesthetic for the procedure...so I was willing to compromise
. Well I didn't have the SNL as it turned out, but got the bright idea to use the cream before the seed placement when I changed into a gown. But I could NOT get the cap off! I followed the directions exactly but couldn't budge it. I struggled with that tube for several minutes, twisting it and waving it around. I even tried hitting it on the floor to open it. Finally they were knocking at the door wondering what the heck I was doing in there.
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Since my papilloma did not show any atypia on the stereotactic bx I am not in need of a seed. my papilloma and micro calcifications are in the 7 o'clock area so I would rather the BS go in from the bottom instead of through the areolar area and dig down to the bottom. I agree that the infra-mammary incision way get irritated by the bra but many people who get plastic surgery have their incision there and do fine. I guess it will be up to the docs but I want to discuss it with them prior to surgery, for sure.
What cream were you trying to use?
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