newly approved combo of Fulvesterant and Abemaciclib

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luckylegs64
luckylegs64 Member Posts: 47

Anyone joining me? Would love to share the journey and give feedback to others along this journey.

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  • mazie73
    mazie73 Member Posts: 74
    edited November 2017

    Hi Lucky:

    I've been on a clinical trial of Abemaciclib + Fulvestrant + a PI3K inhibitor since February 2017. Great response so far. Main side effects are some fatigue and total intolerance of raw veggies. If I eat even a bite raw anything, I'll be doubled over with stomach pain. I've adjusted my diet and Lorepamide helps, too

  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited November 2017

    Hi Maizie,

    This sounds like the trial to do- what is the number? Which PI3K inhibitor, and did you have testing that shows you have the mutation? Do you get to know which drugs you are given? Did you go onto this trial after Ibrance/Femara, or something else? And also, have you had other side effects, neutrophils, etc- the Abemaciclib is continuous dosing? Lots of questions, but any info is valuable- thanks!

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited November 2017

    Mazie - this is really interesting. Which PI3K inhibitor are you taking? What is the number of the trial?

    >Z<

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited November 2017

    I think this combo is now available as a standard treatment. It is no longer a trial. I haven’t updated the topic for my oral serd with ribociclib yet but long story short it stopped working and I had progression after 5 months. I am currently discussing options with my onco and abemaciclib with fulvestrant is my third choice should I not get into one of two trials we are hoping for. My first choice is a trial for a new class of drug called a SERCA - selective estrogen receptor covalent antigen. My second trial choice is for a drug that targets the AKT mutation that I have which I would take with Tamoxifen. Once I know where I land i’ll start a new topic

  • SandiBeach57
    SandiBeach57 Member Posts: 1,617
    edited November 2017

    Maize..what trial is this? Do you have the mutation? Luckylegs, keep us informed.

  • luckylegs64
    luckylegs64 Member Posts: 47
    edited November 2017

    Hi Gals,

    After a couple of 2nd opinions at The Mayo and Vanderbilt, I am leaning towards Ibrance (instead of Verzenio) plus Fulvesterant. The simple reasoning is the increased risk of diarrhea. I came down with C Diff going through chemo 2 years ago. My treatment will also include Xgeva (donosumab) every 3 months. I had been doing Zometa every 6 mos. prior to recurrence in bones. The Mayo doc suggested the change as he personally feels Zometa may increase incidence of bone fractures in the future and maybe kidney damage. There is no official study verifying this - just his opinion. I should be getting started next week and will keep you posted. Bless you ladies

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2017

    luckylegs - it is really helpful when people share the logic behind treatment decisions. thank you and good luck.

    >Z<

  • mazie73
    mazie73 Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2017

    Hi all: Sorry for the delay in responding. Things got busy with the holidays and guests.

    The trial doesn't have an official name. It's a Stage 1 trial. The protocol number is: I3Y-MC-JPBH. Title: "Phase 1B Study is Abemaciclib in Combination with Therapies in Patients with Metastatic Breast Cancer." The PI3K inhibitor is LY3023414. One study cohort is taking 150 mg every 12 hours and a second cohort takes 200 mg every 12 hours. I was in the 150 mg group, but had my dosage reduced to 100 mg because my phosphorus levels kept dropping. Who knew that low phosphorus could make you feel so awful? I also take 150 mg of Abemaciclib every 12 hours, then Faslodex shots monthly (500 mg). I also get a monthly Zoladex shot. (And Zometa every three months.)

    Luckylegs: Diarrhea is definitely an issue. And nausea. It took me a long time to figure out what I can and can't eat. I have two prescription antidiarrheal medications and I almost always take one before I go out to dinner, or to a friend's house where there's food involved. I've had to give up some of my favorite foods, like fresh spring rolls and this amazing veggie / chicken salad I used make for dinner. I keep getting accused of being a picky eater.

    SandiBeach: I have a BRCA2 mutation and, according to Foundation One, FGFR1 and ZNF703 amplifications. My oncologist said that PI3K inhibitors can still work for folks who don't have a PI3K mutation.

    So far, everything's going great. I've had either stable scans or a significant reduction in lesions since April and my tumor markers have dropped from 800 in February to 71 according to a blood test on Monday.

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited December 2017

    Maize73 - thank you so much for the update.  Sounds like you are doing very well and it has been 8 months, correct?  That is encouraging!  If the diarrhea can be controlled for a decent QOL then that allays a lot of my concern with this combination.  Please continue to update us on how you are doing.  We all watch with great interest and wish you long term success with this treatment!  And thanks for putting yourself out there on a trial.

  • mazie73
    mazie73 Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2017

    Hi AnimalCrackers: I'm on the 11th round of treatment. (The first scan after starting treatment was in April.)

    Always happy to make myself available for research! :)

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited December 2017

    11 rounds!  That's great!  Happy Dance is in order!!

  • marylark
    marylark Member Posts: 178
    edited December 2017

    Has anyone heard whether this is an option for those who progressed on Ibrance\fu!vestrant?

  • luckylegs64
    luckylegs64 Member Posts: 47
    edited December 2017

    Agree with the Happy Dance AnimalCrackers! Thanks for the feedback ladies. All of us are following you, Maize73, with interest, on this trial adding in the P13K Inhibitor - that's a new one on me. The second opinion I got a Vanderbilt recommended the Foundation One test (for soft tissue sample) and Guardant 360 (blood sample if no soft tissue available) for me - for potential future use if I fail these current treatments.

    Got the clearance on Ibrance + Fulvesterant + Xgeva from the insurance company...and away we go tomorrow. Staying HOPEFUL and thankful, for all of us...

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited December 2017

    Marylark - my oncologist still has this combo on the table for me even though I progressed on ribociclib (Kisqali)/oral SERD and palbociclib (Ibrance)/letrozole.

  • Nkb
    Nkb Member Posts: 1,436
    edited December 2017

    Animal crackers-what therapy are you doing now?

    Maizie- great news that this is working! Is this your first CDK4/6 inhibitor ? How are your neutrophil counts going?

  • marylark
    marylark Member Posts: 178
    edited December 2017

    Thanks AnimalCrackers. Good to know

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited December 2017

    Hi NKB - I am at this moment not on any treatment.  I am in a washout period in preparation of another clinical trial. 

    Official Title:  A Phase I, First-in-Human, Dose Escalation Trial of MSC2363318A, a Dual p70S6K/Akt Inhibitor, in Subjects With Advanced Malignancies

    Clinical Trial Identifier: NCT01971515

    I have screenings/tests and a biopsy scheduled for next week.  Should all go well with those I will then start this trial.  I've opened a new topic for it called:

    Clinical Trial - AKT Inhibitor (MSC2363318A) and Tamoxifen

  • Nkb
    Nkb Member Posts: 1,436
    edited December 2017

    Animal crackers- what is this drug? Do you have one of the mutations it targets?

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited December 2017

    NKB - yes I have the AKT1 mutation

  • Nkb
    Nkb Member Posts: 1,436
    edited December 2017

    Animalcrackers- interesting. so you will be targeting PI3K and AKT1 and taking tamoxifen?

    Do you know if the oral SERD was a failure or only if the Ribociclib was the failure? Or who knows?

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2017

    Animal Crackers - I appreciate so much your posts on your treatment strategies. Following closely.

    >Z<

  • luckylegs64
    luckylegs64 Member Posts: 47
    edited December 2017

    Wishing you all the best AnimalCrackers, I'm pulling for you and pray this trial will be tolerable and effective!


  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited December 2017

    Nkb - yes that is correct.  The drug MSC2363318A targets the PAM pathway (PIK3-Akt-mTOR) but specifically inhibits Akt1.  And I will be taking Tamoxifen with it. 

    As for knowing what failed on the first trial - the SERD or Kisqali - we do not know for sure.  I would venture to guess that Kisqali won't work if the SERD doesn't work.  Similar to Ibrance and Letrozole.  If the anti-estrogen part doesn't work then the CDK 4/6 inhibitor can't do it's job.  But I really don't know.

    Luckylegs64 - sorry for hijacking your thread.  If anyone is interested in following my clinical trial experience please see my topic called:

    Clinical Trial - AKT Inhibitor (MSC2363318A) and Tamoxifen


  • luckylegs64
    luckylegs64 Member Posts: 47
    edited December 2017

    AnimalCrackers, Hijack away! We all need to share information about what's on the horizon. How would I locate your new thread about the AKT Inhibitor?

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited December 2017

    The name of the topic is at the bottom of my post.  I thought I made it a link.  It should display with an underline and in a different color from the rest of the text.  If you click on it you should be brought to the topic.  Can you let me know if that is not working.  

    You can also search for the topic by name using the search feature.

  • mazie73
    mazie73 Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2017

    Hi all:

    Thanks for tha happy dance, Animal Crackers! And good luck with the new trial!

    NKB: This is my first Stage 4 treatment. A spotin the trial opened up shortly after I was diagnosed in December 2016.

    As for the question about whether Abemaciclib is an option after Ibrance, I've asked the reverse (is Ibrance an option after Abemaciclib?). My MO didn't rule it out. If I recall correctly, she felt like it was something that needed more research. I'm happy to ask again.

  • KC1010
    KC1010 Member Posts: 71
    edited December 2017

    Hi, All -

    I will be starting the Kisqali/Faslodex/Xgeva combo as soon as my insurance approves. I was diagnosed in January of this year, only 2 years out from my stage 2b diagnosis. I was taking anastrozole when mets in my liver, bones, and spleen were found. I started on Ibrance/letrozole/Xgeva combo, but it failed me after 6 months. I then went on Gemzar w/Xgeva, and tumor markers came down nicely every month. Just had scans, and much to our surprise, I have progression in all areas. I had the Guardant360 done in August, and results showed that Anastrazole and Letrozole won’t work for me (duh), but Faslodex should work. I’m a little surprised she has me moving on to Kisqali instead of Ibrance, but I’m hopeful this treatment will my silver bullet.

    Have you experienced any hair loss on Kisqali? My hair thinned significantly on Ibrance and Gemzar, and I now wear a halo type wig. It sounds like there is potential to lose ALL of your hair on Kisqali?


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