Take the Fright Out of Breast Cancer™
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Great news. Will the Zoom meeting include a record of the discussion for those who can't make the meeting? Being at 2am Tuesday my time, I won't be there, but I will PM some suggestions for the website.
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1. Traveltext, this should work. It's a good recommendation.
2. For privacy, there is no need to use the video that is often used with Zoom. Each person can turn that off individually. Also, you can sign in to the Zoom conference with a random, anonymous name, so we won't know who you are. We'll keep it as anonymous as possible!
3. And, if you have specific questions that you want addressed, or comments (about fund raising, our site, etc.) please feel free to post them here, or send us a private message and we'll pass along!
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Mods, you will need to post the Zoom meeting ID number so that those who have signed up can access the meeting.
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NOTE: The meeting with Hope Wohl is WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 8th, NOT MONDAY.
Also, please spread the word about this conversation, to those you feel could provide helpful feedback.
Thank you!
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I will not be near tech access next week. I will be very interested in learning the content of this "discussion" when I return. Please post a summary on this forum.
Hope/Moderators...This is a good first step, thank you for this. In all honesty, the concept of "hearing" the concerns of bc veterans who objected to this and other campaigns is nothing but PR, if a change in actions/messaging does not follow. I hope to be proven wrong, but it is quite a mountain to climb. Far too often the phrase "we hear you" is tossed out as a pacifying response...and nothing changes.
Since this latest campaign was supposedly to fund website changes, I would like to see a breakdown of what money was raised, and how that money is spent.
I would like to see more BCO driven public education fundraising campaigns be targeted to those who suffer from tx affect-effects. Lymphedema, permanent neuropathy, rapid aging/degeneration due to hormonal tx, permanent hair loss, long term anxiety...the list is endless...and "frightful"...
I would like to see more BCO driven public education and fundraising campaigns in support of our Stage IV sisters/brothers.
I realize that the majority of members here are American, and I would like to see a more active role by BCO in public education as to the financial cost of bc treatment/care and more support in policies/political actions that help bc patients actually get the care and treatments they need.
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I think you have 490 posts of solid feedback, and no meaningful action was taken to adjust or modify what has to stick in history as one of most momentously ill thought campaigns for breast cancer from an organisation that writes and read about the lives of breast cancer patients each day.
A little too little, a little too late for me.
Nihahi post is excellent - i wonder if the concerns raised will be addressed.
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Thank you Nihahi. We are constantly creating new content, and we do hope that you see the funds raised are being effectively used. We are in the process of a massive redesign, integrating the community into the core content, and much more. We'd be very pleased to take you through it, and get your suggestions on our next user testing.
Wildplaces, yes, of course they will be addressed. Bottom line, we need funds and are reaching out to you to get your thoughts and help on future campaigns. If you do not want to participate, it is fine. We have quite a bit of feedback from you in the thread. Thank you All.
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Did we just get a pat on the head and a there there now. Next year will tell the tale as to wether we were listened to or heard. There is a big difference. If we were heard this campaign will not happen again. The bottom line did not have to be reached by such a crass campaign.
Sad to say the campaign made Instagram. Individuals posting their pictures using #takethefrightoutofbreastcancer and #takethefright out. Edited to add: And argh, BCO did put it on Instagram under breastcancerorg. Now I'm really shaking my head over this whole thing
Edited for spelling.
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yep we did. And I need to go find my hip boots and shovel.
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Mods,
I speak only for myself and bring this up because “The campaign” has been posted under raising funds for breast cancer.
I have seen no evidence that redesigning the current site is either a huge top priority necessity or that a new site would be a more user friendly platform.
In fact short of the “ integrating community into content” BCO has been given no outline of what are target areas of this redesign.
I guess what I am asking is:
Do you need to redesign this site?
Why does it have to be a major redesign?
Are the funds raised for Breast Cancer better spent elsewhere ?
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To BCO Mods, I greatly respect all the work you guys do. This site has been invaluable to me. I did not take offense in the slightest, and as I pointed out (that no one ever touched when I asked if they were offended by her) Stage 4 women host a 'Mets'quarade ball every year to benefit cancer research. Having fun in the face of death is how many deal with things, and frankly I think Breast Cancer is a HELLUVA less frightening than it was 40 years ago.
I don't want to be thrown on the pyre of those offended minority voices shouting at the rooftops. I've received many PMs from women who are terrified to post on here and be exposed to this angry mob, but others feel as I do. Mods, you are doing great job.
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Thank you, Lisey!
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I agree with Lisey too. I have an unpopular view, in that bCO is here for education, and camaraderie between diagnosed women. They are not political advocates, scientists looking for a cure, or many other things that people want them to be. And if everyone's always pissed off at BCO about how they do it, why they do it, why not start your own group, or go to Facebook, or start your own campaign to end it, fight it, or educate. I expect to be blasted for saying this, but you know, many women in other countries don't have the luxury to complain like some do here. First world problem. Go get busy.
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Lisey, consider that your voice may represent the minority viewpoint on this topic. Here and elsewhere on bc social media this BCO fundraiser got the thumbs down.
As to the Mods, you can't help looking at their responses to see that they had no power to address the very legitimate issues raised in the thread. This didn't mean they did a bad job, rather that they do what the site owners allow them to do. And to the site owners' credit they are holding a forum to hear from all.
Tomboy, you won't find anyone here complaining about the forums per se. They are the lifeblood of many and BCO's great achievement. They are also dependent on us all to make them successful and useful. It's well known that the boards are less frequented and I'm sure that's why the site is going to be overhauled. And, yes, Facebook groups are springing up everywhere.
As to PMs,I've had three from senior members who are totally pissed off with things here and who are no longer posting. This is too bad or inevitable, depending on your point of view, but I certainly want to help get this site cranking again.
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I have always thought the same thing. Who am I to say what you campaign on? It's not my funds being spent, although I did donate a small amount. When I donated that money, I thought of all the wonderful relationships I have Made here and that wouldn't be possible without this site. I have actually met some of these BCO employees that honestly genuinely care about things in the breast cancer world and homelife and how it effects individuals and family. There are many days without this gift of a site, I don't know where I would have been. They are bending over backwords to hear what you have to say. They didn't create breast cancer, but they do provide a very open, very leinent place to express your feelings and thoughts. Here they are setting up an open forum to hear more concerns and complaints about where they spend their raised funds? Are you BCO's financial CEO, that you should request such a thing? I was a bit surprised about the demand to see where monies are spent, when you really have nothing to do with it whatsoever. You're a member of a free website, that they provide. If anything , you should be happy with any possible way any amount of money could be raised to help with BC Period! Wether it's a nice new website, or whatever else they decide to spend it on. All I can say is thank you BCO, I am a stage four woman, who uses this site not only for educational purposes, but for the invaluable friendships, that would not have been possible. Thank you also for including me in the discussions about the new website and how it may help the members find out more information they may need. I'm sure whatever you come up with, will be thought out and will help many many more women and even men, and families as they navigate this horror of a disease.
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I honestly don't see this discussion as an "angry mob" nor do I think it's out of line for any member of this community to chime in on this approach to fundraising. I find that term, Lisey, a real slap in the face to the numerous members who've expressed their concerns.
There's a long history of members expressing their distaste for all the "Pinktober" shenanigans on this board. Just because BCO's also doing it and taking it even farther does not mean that members should not speak up. The moderators are happy to have our input on a number of issues and have no hesitation in soliciting our personal stories as fodder for the boards or their various projects. Why should it be a one way street?
Finally, I doubt anyone would be half as dismayed by the campaign if we didn't believe that BCO is capable of being so much more in tune with the breast cancer community and has so much more to offer than this campaign would indicate.
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Micmel,
Your post is candid and I thank you for it.
The reality is that if you raise funds in the name of a community - in this case Breast Cancer - you have a responsability to administer those funds to the full benefit of that community.
For example if you raise money for the homeless - it should aid the homeless and not a surf club.
Transparency and intellectual ownershipare real items on the agenda of any CEO.
This was done when it was stated the funds were raised for overhauling the site.
I think the site works well - but I understand Traveltext comments on members walking away/not posting.
Will see if changing the way forums are posted deals with this.
(I understand Stage 4 closing their forums - not certain how being told to laugh at death by someone who is not Stage 4 would go down...)
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When I first landed on BCO after a search for IBC I was really happy that I could pick the brains of people who had experienced, and/or were going through what I was experiencing. Now, three years later, I don't need support, rather I follow a few people who've helped me, help others, and look out for men who come asking for help.
In the past year or more I've noticed a fall-off in visitors to the forums, so I really hope that a schmick new site with more bells and whistles will reverse this trend. And, I particularly hope that an effort will be made to entice bc men here. I know we are only one percent of the newly diagnosed, but that's the same percentage of women under thirty who are diagnosed annually with bc. I couldn't imagine anybody saying, oh let's not entice this cohort to visit the site. This is what, in affect, is happening with males getting this disease. Otherwise, why would public awareness levels that men are so low, at around 20% REF? And why hasn't there been a greater effort by bc charities to educate men and their families? MORE HERE
One of my voluntary jobs is to edit male bc stories for MBCC. They get posted here: http://malebreastcancercoalition.org/Survivor%20St...
Now, I'm well aware that men don't talk about their medical issues, and that bc is a particularly hard one for them, but in editing a story recently I came across this:
"The one thing that really surprised both of us was the number of family and friends that came to see my husband saying they had never heard of a man getting breast cancer. These were educated people like him. People that were worldly and wise. Throughout this process, we discovered there just isn't very much information out there available to John Q. Public that talks about men possibly getting breast cancer.
I requested ribbons that were pink/blue to represent breast cancer/men. I was told by a well-known cancer society that I should only use pink ribbons because blue meant something different."
This is dreadful.
As far as I'm aware, I've been the only bc male posting regularly about this disease over the past three years. This is out of 192,000 members. Statistically, 1,920 of whom could/should be men. Perhaps BCO will include a plan to get more men here in the site overhaul.
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"I don't want to be thrown on the pyre of those offended minority voices shouting at the rooftops. I've received many PMs from women who are terrified to post on here and be exposed to this angry mob, but others feel as I do. Mods, you are doing great job."
Lisey, are you for real using the term angry mob? This thread was started on Sept. 5 and discussions didn't start until Sept. 9 and I must say they were really rather tame. You didn't show up until Oct. 15 and your last postings were Oct. 19, until Nov. 7. Your postings came across as odd IMHO. I would hope that the many women who contacted you by PM also contacted the Mods, which would have gotten their message directly to the proper source. That a stage 4 woman hosts a Metsquerade Ball for metavivor is her prerogative as an individual. We are talking about an organization that should be very attuned to its members' feelings and what they have to go through with this disease. There is a big difference between the two. There is also a right way and a wrong way to do something in the name of doing good. All this group was asking for was for BCO to be sensitive.
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I honestly do not know one person who would ever laugh at death, while battling any disease, not just cancer. But we happen to be talking about Cancer. I agree with text on something , male BC needs more of a platform, right alongside with stage four and any other stage. My point being Is simply just this, if BCO did not continually care to make where I personally spend a lot of time, current with information and guidance to help newly diagnosed and anyone honestly goingthrough something so terrible. All while providing an immediate Link to others that are going or even have been through what is happening in your life now. This is a nonProfit org and BCO has already provided publicly it's auditing statements for the past three years that ar available to look at at any given time. Bottom line for anything is always funds, finding a way to keep people interested in giving away their earned money every quarter? Or anytime they need to raise money, they have to walk a fine line:: a) can't offend anyone b)have to meet our financial goals to keep things moving and on spot with current and vital information c) we can keep the website as easy and helpful as possible, when every other business that isn't non profit can do whatever they want with their own businesses and computer systems financial software. There is so much involved, that I see no need to argue about anything that could benefit BC wether it be men or women. We all need Help and we all eventually need that shoulder to lean on. Once again I thank BCO greatly. And honor individuals opinions as well. I certainly do not want to walk into A mob scene. But you guys can get fiesty!
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Hi All,
Reposting, as it is for today. Please PM if you haven't already, and let us know if you are attending.
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Also, thank you all for your very thoughtful comments. It really is okay to disagree, as long as everyone remains respectful with one another. We look forward to talking with some of you today. We plan to hold many such sessions moving forward.
Traveltext: While indeed overall posting is down, the number of people visiting the community, the number of people registering with the community, and the overall pageviews within the community are dramatically higher. We are trying to analyze these trends as we redesign the site.
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A big thank you to those who joined us today on our first zoom meeting. We were very pleased with the conversation, your candor, and sharing your thoughts so openly and honestly.
For those who were not in the meeting, we will be summarizing the issues we discussed, and posting the summary here in the next day or so. We also have the video of the conversation (60 minutes) for those who request it via PM. p.s. The file is so big we need to get it on to Dropbox. Working on compressing it, and will get it to those interested tomorrow!
Breastcancer.org shared with those on the call that we are definitively not going to repeat the Take the Fright Out campaign next year.
We also expressed our sincerest wish to work more closely with many of you on our site redesign, future funding initiatives, and content development.
With great appreciation to our amazing community,
The Mods and the BCO Team
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I felt that yesterday's zoom conversation was an important step. It certainly helped clear the air, and the news that "Take the Fright Out" will not be repeated next year was very welcome. I appreciated the opportunity to 'meet' with Melissa and Hope as well as those from the board who made time to participate. It was a good start.
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Because I couldn't make the event, I'm looking forward to watching the video summary. However, I'm delighted to hear that the Fright campaign is to be discontinued and I look forward to having some input into site and content redevelopment.
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Summary notes from Zoom call:
To wrap up we talked about…
- The importance of being heard and being acknowledged as heard needs to be timely
- Improving the ways we reach out to you for input, beyond mod's announcement box
- Repeat the ask to find out why people are engaging with the question/survey
- Improved technology to bring us better outreach tools to broadcast messages and announcements
- And of course, excited to use this new format to bring you into planning, and sharing ideas
3. Bring a broad range of voices into the new site development
- Expand the reach of testing audience with prototypes that can be explore on their own
Some other Ideas:
Collect community members' input on the data that needs to be included in content.
Opt in/opt out for members to have more personalized experience.
Ask for their views on how members use our community compared to facebook groups, or other online communities. What's good, what would be nice to have.
Update the number of active registered members & threads.
Make strong posts more prominent/visible.
Rebuild trust by constantly communicating and being engaged with members, rather than at people.
There are alot of different voices that we need to listen to and we are eager to learn from all of you.
Lastly, perhaps we start a new thread and close TTFO thread.
Note: For those members who joined us, please add things we may have missed in this summary.
And feedback is welcome.
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I participated in the Zoom meeting online Wednesday and felt it was a good start to engaging the discussion board community in ongoing dialogue. I urge the moderators to start a new thread in the next few days to allow input into the website changes BCO is exploring, to allow this "hot" topic subject line to drop out of use. We were told this "fright" campaign will not return.
I feel it is important for BCO to discuss website changes with members BEFORE BCO even starts to propose and start changes internally, and allow the users of the discussion boards to discuss the need for change and give input to the techs as they develop options for changes. It would be great to preview several prototypes and make suggestions for better utilization before they are fully implemented. Many of us remember the "Outbrain" icons a year or two ago that appeared one day, and it took us months to finally have them removed from the threads. My understanding from this meeting is that techs are already working on changes in the full website including the content areas and the threads, but I hope we will have a chance to discuss before it gets too far--I'd rather we participate in the changes and not just be on the receiving end of completed changes. We briefly discussed an opt in/opt out feature to allow those of us who mainly use the discussion area and do not want links to content within the threads to enable a choice about content we see. Expressions that a refreshed website not be another facebook and remain simple and clean in appearance were also made.
I appreciated that Hope and Melissa provided the live chat room to allow us to talk with them and be heard, and that we were allowed to maintain our privacy if we chose by using our screen names and audio and not turning on the video option. Zoom was easy to use so don't let the technology discourage you from participating in the next live online discussion. The suggestion was made that future online discussions happen at different times of the day to enable those around the world to participate at an appropriate time for all.
Wednesday was a start, and I hope it helps to make BCO content and discussion more valuable for all in the BC community.
Looking forward to the discussion in the new thread and hope all join in!
Thanks. Ceanna
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Lisey, the Metsquerade event is led by a woman who is fearless in shouting from the rafters that Stage 4 needs more because women and men are dying from it and 30% of early stages will go on to become stage 4. Every penny raised goes to MBC research. And it’s fun. MBC thrivers are not against fun. We’re for transparency, accuracy and not being trivialized. That event is consistent. This bCo one was anything but
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I agree with ceanna, let's get a new thread started to capitalise on the enthusiasm shown here for input to the new site. If the existing thread is to be closed for discussion, that's fine, but I hope it will be archived so that it can be read. There's very few times that I've witnessed such resistance to a new campaign here, and there are lessons to be learned.
I was sent a link to the video conference which I couldn't attend due to time zone differences and thought it was a useful communications exercise although, in future, some discussion topics could be lined up before the next one so that participants could prepare beforehand. It's hard often to think and respond while topics are randomly discussed.
Jensgotthis, thanks for pointing out the differences with the Metsquerade event, it's grassroots origins, and the differences between it and the fear/fright campaign.
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