Starting Chemo May 2017

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  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Good luck to your surgery notanisland!!

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2017

    Thank you, PauletteK! I'm looking forward to getting on with surgery next. It's the thought of waiting for pathology after surgery that makes me most nervous! I keep in touch with some of the women I got to know through chemo at our oncology center and it really helps to email and text what's happening since we each "graduated" chemotherapy. Two of them, like me, had (neo-adjuvant) chemo prior to surgery. One, had a very difficult time through nearly 7 months of chemo including 2 hospital stays for infections, but breezed through a lumpectomy with great results and started radiation therapy yesterday. The other had a bad reaction to anesthesia and remained in the hospital overnight instead of the outpatient procedure that was intended. I saw her today on her way to a followup visit with her surgeon and she is quite uncomfortable and wearing a drainage tube due to the number of lymph nodes removed. Even among our small group of BC chemo-buddies there are such different experiences. Sharing these experiences with them and all of you has been a blessing - it helps to know that good or bad, someone else out there is going through and getting through the same thing. I plan to be around (on this thread) for the duration, letting you know how I'm doing through surgery and radiation therapy, and keeping up with your experiences and progress - because we are the "Starting Chemo May 2017" group! Best wishes to All!

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Not - I’m from July and August group, when I had my surgery I didn’t know much about BC so I went with whatever my doctors suggested. When I had my surgery I think I was still in a cloud, just followed the motions from shock. I finally got real scared when I know chemo knocked my door, I finally woke up and faced the reality. Thanks for listening, my group started a FB group so we can share our life after this journey. I will hang around here after the journey so I can share my own experience with other.

  • moodyblues
    moodyblues Member Posts: 470
    edited October 2017

    Thank you for sharing your blog with us MsRobin, the photo's are beautiful.

    Dodgersgirl, you are so right, cancer does suck!

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    Taxol #9 under my belt, 3 more to go! Counts fully normal too. Treatment was uneventful today. Wait, it was slightly eventful, my port would not give blood. We tried about every position, but nothing. They finally gave up and drew from my arm, then used some kind of syringe medication to dissolve what they said was a fibrous sheath blocking the way. It didn’t hurt, so it was fine.

    I’m growing so weary of never feeling good, you know? I know I only have a few weeks left, but it’s a lot of days to get through. I’m tired of my numb feet, I’m tired of gas pains in my gut, I’m tired of the constant battle with foul tasting food most of all. Ugh! Sorry for whining, but it is dragging on.

    Saw my oncologist today and we talked at length about the neuropathy in my feet. It feels like I’m walking around with cement blocks on my feet, so he lowered my dose so that it doesn’t become permanent. I didn’t even know that was a possibility!

    I changed the polish on my toes today and discovered that some of the nails are lifting. Doc says I’ll lose them, but please let it be over the winter so maybe by sandal season I’ll get them back! Just one more thing to make me their favorite problem child patient. At my center, you see a doctor or nurse practitioner every other week during weekly Taxol, but I’m so problematic that I see one almost every week. I hadn’t seen my doctor for a few weeks, and he technically wasn’t in today, but popped in between hospital rounds just to see me!

    Hope everyone else is doing well!

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    ms robin - I’m totally with you, I’m going to have #6 tomorrow, I’m so nervous tonight. I met my MO today and told him all my fingers are numb so he said he is going to cut back 10% of my dosage tomorrow. He said that should help and I really hope so. I told him I don’t want to get to the point I can’t button my shirt.

    I’m getting pretty fatigue and poor appetite. I’m taking Pepcid AC for the stomach gas, it helps very little to be honest. I didn’t have this problem when I was on AC. I was crying to tell my hubby not sure how much I can go on with this treatment.

  • beauz
    beauz Member Posts: 207
    edited October 2017

    pauletteK- sorry you are doing it tough dealing with chemo while recovering from surgery. I hope your reduced dosage will have less SE on you. I have been on my reduced dosage for my taxol #5&#6. Feeling less SE. My infusion time for taxol is two hours instead of normal one hour. I still feel sick at the infusion time. They will not give me longer infusion time. I just want to get out of the torture chair as early as possible. The good news is that my neutrophils count has crawled back to 2.0 after taxol #5. It has been below 2 for the previous 6 blood test. Best wishes for you.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    beauz, I’m going to try to put something in my stomach all time hope that help my nausea on day 3 and 4. Will try to drink ensure more so my weight won’t drop. I was fine from taxol 1-4,thing turned bad on 5.

    I don’t know how can we pump up our neutrophils mine dropped to 3.7, maybe soon we need to have the WBC shot? Let’s keep rest up and eat well.

  • beauz
    beauz Member Posts: 207
    edited October 2017

    PauletteK, my oncologist will not give me any wbc shot during taxol treatment. He did give me nuelasta during ac. This time, reducing my chemo dosage is his way of boosting my neutrophils, I guess. By the way, I don't take any meds in between chemos. Once or twice, I did take anti nausea meds after much persuasion, I ended up with lower abdominal cramps. So I stop talking them. Best wishes.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    Hi ladies! I’m actually sitting in my car by Lake Michigan, watching the waves roar in on a chilly, wet day. I had good weather over the weekend, but it’s been raining since then. I’m heading home tomorrow and it looks like no rain, so I’ll get up early and catch some scenery before heading out. I have dear friends here though, and I’m just happy to spend time with them when the weather doesn’t cooperate.

    I actually noticed another new SE, but at least this one I’ve heard about. My sinuses are so dry and stuffy! It’s funny because half the time I’m scrambling for tissues because my lack of nose hair makes this situation an emergency! I haven’t had a bloody nose yet, but I can see how easily it might happen.

    I picked up some healing type hand cream at the drugstore, and my hands seem slightly better. They still sting, and are sensitive to being bumped. With three treatments to still get through, I imagine they’ll look and feel pretty bad by then. Plus last night I had to take a compazine, it felt like someone was grabbing my stomach for a good squeeze. I’m really over all this nonsense. Uncle!

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    msrobin58- the dry/stuffy nose was sooo aggravating to me. It was hard to breath through my nose at night because it felt stuffy yet was dry.

    I had to use Ayr Gel inside my nostrils and sprayed Ocean saline spray throughout the day. Found that doing this process loosened dry nose mucous (gross, I know. TMI. Sorry) that I blew out and then could breath for a while.

    Also noticed that when my mouth was really dry at night, I had higher recurrence of mouth sores

    Hope you SEs go away quickly.

    Loved your description of Lake Michigan! Winter is coming. Sigh. But I won't look so out of place in the winter when I wear my beanie!!

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Robin - sounds very peaceful listening to the waves. Hope that will take the problems and stress away. I have dry sinus for weeks it was so bad that I had bloody nose. Now I learned that do not blow my nose and use gel and spray all the time.

    I'm trying to eat well so my WBC won't drop, if it does my treatment will be delay. Oh well ..... sucks!

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    DodgersGirl- what would you do about your dry mouth at night??? Any good suggestion?

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    paulettek-- I have ACT mouth moisturizing spray on my night stand and spray a few times when I get back in bed from a bathroom trip. When we first go to bed, I spray mouth with Biotene dry mouthspray. I don't like the consistency of it but it keeps mouth moister longer

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    DodgersGirl- good ideas I will keep one next to my night stand. Lately I actually can sleep straight six hours that's such a blessing. Can I ask you how you deal with neuropathy? My fingertips are getting numbness now. I hope to finish my taxol.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    paulettek- as far as neuropathy, my finger tips are numb. One my left hand, I have had a few fingertips numb for a while due to carpal tunnel syndrome but it is more pronounced now. On right hand the numbness is going away (SLOWLY). For me, this issue is the pain in my nail beds from Taxol. It is really hard to use my fingers. Buttoning a blouse is tough. Opening a drink is hard. Sometimes even holding my phone is painful. The weirdest pain so far is when the blankets set just right on a fingernail and wake me up.

    MO just shakes her head and says it is a SE from Taxol.

    I still take B6,B12, l-glutamate, and biotin hoping as my nails grow out, things will improve.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    DodgersGirl- oh yea, it is taxol SE, I guess she didn’t lower your dosage. I just worry neuropathy could turn into permanently damage. Which I don’t want that to happen. Glad you finished all your chemo for awhile. Thanks for the information.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    paulettek- every doctor I see, I show my poor fingers with my ugly, painful purple/brown spots and ask me hen I can expect to get my hands back? Each doctor was simply said it was a SE of Taxol and the nails will grow out. Sigh. Not overly helpful!

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    DodgersGirl- at least you’re post chemo now, you should be getting better each day. I’m still on the chemo wagon I have to deal with more SE each week 😭😭😭😭

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2017

    PauletteK, It's difficult to keep from feeling low when you're in the midst of chemo, suffering through SEs and trying to "beat" additional and worsening SEs to the chemo finish line. As someone who had her last chemo treatment 3 weeks ago, my only advice is to keep looking forward towards your next milestone and ultimate goal.

    For me, surgery comes next. But the best part of my treatment so far came soon after I completed chemotherapy. I had a 3-D mammogram and ultrasound of my left breast. Radiologists compared the scans to a 3-D mammogram and ultrasound taken in April prior to biopsies, which confirmed 2 cancerous lesions in my left breast (either 2 tumors - one relatively large and the other smaller; or, one large irregular shaped tumor, estimated at 4cm X 3cm when palpated). A biopsy also confirmed that an abnormal looking area in a lymph node was also positive for IDC. Well, none of the areas that looked suspicious for abnormal cell activity in April were apparent on the post-chemo mammogram and ultrasound. The lymph node and smaller section of the breast tumor appear clear. The larger section of the tumor shows something, but my surgeon thinks it could be thickened scar tissue or dead cancer cells. This doesn't mean I'm clear of cancer; only surgery and pathology will tell - but I'm thrilled with the results I got from chemo, and my surgeon is ecstatic! It also played a huge part in my decision to have a lumpectomy.

    I'm telling you this because I never imagined such a good outcome from chemo on what was, at the very least, Stage 2B IDC. Despite the SEs - which are gradually showing improvement - for me, chemotherapy has been worth the difficulties. I know it's hard to appreciate that now, but I hope it encourages you to power through and not let the SEs get you down. Best Wishes to you and all our BC sisters.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    notanisland - thank you for the encouragement, happy for your outcome of the chemo. Prayers for your surgery. I will keep focus to my finish line, just praying for my neuropathy stays at bay,

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    Well, another treatment canceled this week due to my worsening neuropathy. I’d like to say I was deeply disappointed, but my worsening SE’s made it a blessing. Still, that finish line just keeps moving away from me, and that is indeed discouraging. The night before treatment has grown to be a night filled with sleepless dread. This week I may have been out of town enjoying my getaway, but the SE’s were piling up and I really felt awful. As I lay there in bed fretting before treatment day, I actually wished for this delay, feeling I just couldn’t take much more. I got my wish.

    Even though my dosage was reduced by 20% last week, the neuropathy was worse. I have to keep shaking my hands out, and my feet feel like walking around on blocks. I often walk a little like a drunk, with some mild stumbling going on. This is more neuropathy than they wanted for me, and I was cancelled. They also didn’t like the red blotchy stuff going on with my hands and feet, and I think this contributed to their decision. I was given methylprednisolone tablets for this part, and while I feared it would keep me from sleeping, it didn’t for the first night. We’ll see how the rest goes.

    Even though I’m only one day into my break, it is a relief to feel better already! The neuropathy is slightly less today. And I cooked! This is a rare feat these days as I battle constant mild nausea. I have raring to go since yesterday afternoon when we returned from the center, and have accomplished no end of household tasks, errands, etc. It definitely feels good to feel better! Obviously I needed this break.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    notanisland, after all you’ve been through. I’m thrilled to hear your good results. I wish you continued healing, and good luck with your surgery.

    Paulette, how are you faring with your SE’s?

    Dodgersgirl, I know whereof you speak about those ugly purple red patches. We’re having a suddenly warm day here today, and I wanted to break out my sandals once more. But no... I’ve been using bag balm, not very pleasant fragrance, but soothing. My neuropathy is worse on my feet, but I know what you mean about the sheets irritating them.

    Beauz, your treatment day sounds dreadful! I’m so sorry.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    msrobin58-- I hope your "pause" brings you relief very quickly.

    My last chemo was 8/16. My toe pain ended, for the most part, about 2 weeks ago. Fingers are still sore but they are getting better. Purple coloring, I think, has to grow out.

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2017

    MsRobin, Thank you for your good wishes. May your break from Taxol significantly scale back your SEs so you can get through the rest of your treatments. One additional week off after #8 worked wonders for me. Like you, I knew (or maybe my body knew) that postponing treatment was the right thing to do. And when I did have #9 I was pleasantly surprised to find that my SEs were reduced and never rose to their highest point again.

    A little more than 3 weeks since my final chemo infusion, the neuropathy in fingers and feet is a little less every day. It's a slow process but I'm confident it will go away. I find that my legs are not as strong as before (the aches in my legs were what alarmed my MO most and resulted in the 1-week chemo break) - they feel weak and wobbly, but I think with more weight bearing and strengthening exercises this should improve. My nails are blackened and tender and I've lost part of one, but the soreness is not as bad as before and the nails will grow out, as DodgersGirl notes. My hair is starting to grow back in, not very nicely or evenly, and mostly a bright white that looks quite shocking since I've been a dark brunette all my life (time to consider giving up the hair-dye!). I'll continue to wear my wig when I go to meetings and events, until it grows out to the point where I can do something with it. A scarf and straw hat is sufficient for errands and casual outings. I feel a little stubble on one brow and one eyelid - no sign of eyebrows or lashes on the opposite side!

    Things are getting better. I hope for you too.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Ms Robin - I had my infusion yesterday , my heartbeat increased during premeds I think it was due to anxiety. I finished my infusion, it was such a long day. I could able to sleep on and off last night I think my body just tired.

    My neuropathy (numbness)is not bad today, actually is better. I’ve been soaking my hands and feet with epsom salt, now I even use treetea oil on them also. And I ice my hands and feet during taxol even they might not last for 3 hours.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited November 2017

    I have to admit that I’m enjoying my break this week. I feel so much better! Even food is no longer the enemy. As for the neuropathy, I’m not sure yet. I guess it’s mildly better. It seems better in the morning, but worsens as I stay active on my feet through the day. Tomorrow is treatment day, and I have to decide what to say about it. Is it bad enough to delay again, or is it actually a bit better? Hard to say for sure. With only three treatments left, I just want to be finished!

    I must admit that I’m dreading those last treatments, with all those unpleasant SE’s. I’ve been sleeping normally, eating better, gained energy, and even gained a bit of taste. I honestly thought I had just gained insomnia, when it turns out that it was a simply part of my side effects. Do you know how enjoyable it has been to sleep peacefully? Ahhhhh!

    Paulette. I’m sorry that your infusion is a struggle. My MO doesn’t advocate icing, and I know I couldn’t bear the cold anyway. Besides, I think it’s too late. He says I’ll likely lose my toenails. Ugh. I’m pretty sure I have not missed a single SE.

    notanisland, I’m encouraged to hear that your SE’s never peaked again after your break, and I wish the same for myself. The week after #9 was rough indeed, and I’d not like to go through it again. Others have said that their hair came in white but soon transitioned into color. They simply snipped off the white ends. I hope they’re right, because mine is also coming in bright white. I had dyed my hair for so long that I’m not entirely sure how much gray I have. But pure white? That’s for older ladies than myself! Lol

    Dodgersgirl, my nails are a bit sore, but not discolored. My toenails are slightly lifted, and the purple/red blotches are actually on the skin of my feet. Where those same blotches showed up on my hands, is now peeling skin. Gross, I know! I’m glad to hear your pain is fading. I have a hard time telling the difference between nail pain, neuropathy, and the whole rashy, peeling, raw skin thing. My poor feet!


  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited November 2017

    Well ladies, I’m done with chemo! I went for my treatment today, and my MO decided to stop my treatments instead. WooHoo! Even after my break, the neuropathy was not really any better, and he said three more treatments could cripple me. Well we don’t want that! He also said as long as you get 80% of the treatments, that’s enough. I was frightened at first, citing my Oncotype Dx score of 66, which is my chance of recurrence without chemo. But he showed me my new recurrence rate, after chemo, which is 12%. I can live with that. That’s practically the risk factor for the general public.

    I went up to the infusion center to thank my favorite nurses, and to ring that darned bell. I rang it very hard, crying all the while! Next week I meet with the radiation oncologist, and will probably start in December. He wants me to start Arimidex right away. I’m not thrilled with this, but I knew it was coming. I’m also to start taking calcium, and had a bone density test today, since it leaches calcium from your bones. Chief side effect is an increase in hot flashes. This news made me laugh out loud, because I already have an abundance of hot flashes! Ugh.

    Onward ho!

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited November 2017

    msrobin58-- so sorry chemo has not played nice for you and pleased to see you are finished at this point and that you rang that bell!!

    I wish you luck on your next leg of this crappy journey.

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited November 2017

    Congratulations, MsRobin! Thank goodness for a great MO looking out for you and your best interest. No one ever said to me that chemo could "cripple" but I'm starting to believe it. Since finishing chemo a month ago, I have developed aches and weakness in my legs. Very strange since my legs never ached this much during chemo. Hopefully, it's just due to lack of regular exercise, so I'm trying to build up strength before surgery. But so far, no relief, and with surgery less than 2 weeks away I can't take any blood thinning pain meds (and I probably wouldn't want to).

    But getting back to your next step in treatment - I hope radiation therapy goes well and treats you gently.

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