Unusual tumor and questions re approach to surgery

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Rubytoos
Rubytoos Member Posts: 85
edited October 2017 in Just Diagnosed

I have had weird pain in my arm pit and outer breast margin for years and at my last mammogram asked for a diagnostic study. The results were ambiguous but not alarming, so carried on until this past summer when the pain ratcheted up a notch. Long story short, got another mammogram, and US, followed by more mammograms and then a US guided core needle biopsy this week. Am lucky that a very experienced pathologist was consulted because it appears to be a rare type of cancer. I had actually gone to the cancer center with the goal of simply arranging surgery, but they politely explained that was not how it was done ;).

So the diagnosis is papillary carcinoma. I haven't seen the report, have few details, but the surgeon wants to do a sentinel node biopsy and lumpectomy. What comes after that I am not clear. And they are offering the choice of a radioactive seed or a wire. For some reason the concept of the wire bothers me much more than a seed... But I would really appreciate any thoughts on having one versus the other.

My other question involves lumpectomy. I am getting way ahead of myself, but from what little I can find on this cancer it appears that treatment protocols vary widely. If it is invasive, and my lesion is suspicious for that, I have given thought to having a bilateral simple mastectomy that spares skin and nipple. I definitely want the lesion out due to pain although I realize that may not solve the problem. I am thinking, given my extremely dense breasts, and some other factors, that rather than use my chits so to speak (chemo and radiation) at a nebulous stage, I would take a surgical approach. There is a ton of cancer in my family and weird cancers abound. I am now enrolled in a couple of studies and will be getting genetic counseling. I meet with the surgeon in a couple weeks. Will she think me crazy if I want a bi-lateral mastectomy instead of a lumpectomy? Or does one have to follow the other?

BTW--the core needle biopsy was not painful or uncomfortable thanks to the skill of the doctors and technicians that presided over it... And my tolerance for pain in that breast is just about zero right now. Any pressure makes it hurt like crazy. Plus the lesion is quite deep, in an awkward position, and fairly close to my chest wall. I explained my concerns (I had reduced pain tolerance, was worried about accidental puncture of my lungs, etc.) and the folks doing the biopsy took plenty of time to numb the area, position me comfortably, and then proceeded very efficiently. They also stopped mid way to introduce additional numbing medication which made a huge difference since I tend to metabolize things like lidocaine at the speed of light. I mention this for anyone who is facing this procedure. I did NOT want to have a core biopsy--just the word "core" summons up painful imagery--and would have done a runner had I known ahead of time this was going to happen.

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2017

    Hi Rubytoos-

    We want to welcome you to our community! We're sorry you find yourself here, but we hope you find these boards to be a source of support as you begin down this road. Re: your surgery questions, you might find it more helpful to read through and post in our Surgery forum: https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/91. Lots of great info there, and members who can share their insights and reasons for making the surgical decision they did.

    The Mods

  • obsolete
    obsolete Member Posts: 466
    edited September 2018

    Hi Ruby, so very sorry that you have encountered these issues, but you are not alone here. Speaking from my own personal experiences (Invasive Papillary, Solid Papillary, multi Mixed Mucinous Carcinoma & DCIS) with both lumpectomy and bilateral mastectomy, you are wise to consider BMX.

    Ideally, Papillary neoplasms should have excisional biopsies to determine if and what invasive components exist, if any, but it's not alwaysentirely possible to dx Papillary from imaging alone.

    Often, but not always, peripheral (along chest wall, for example) Papillary tumors sometimes tend to occur in multiples. Would suggest you request an MRI scan, but please keep in mind that Papillary tumors under 5mm are NOT often clearly visible on MRI.

    Would highly recommend you obtain a copy of your pathology report during the interim. It's usually not possible from a needle biopsy pathology to confirm which variation of Papillary tumor you have. Solid papillary, invasive papillary and encapsulated papillary can carry different I genome, as does Papillary DCIS.

    Papillary tumors tend to occur in the areola-nipple complex region, so please exercise caution about nipple-sparing procedures. For this reason alone, they removed my nipple during my 1st lumpectomy.

    Please visit the Papillary Carcinoma thread for more information. Please keep us posted on your case's progression. Best wishes to you. Link to more info:

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/137/topic...


  • Rubytoos
    Rubytoos Member Posts: 85
    edited January 2018

    Thanks very much for this information. With this information will definitely reconsider nipple sparing mastectomy. I am seeing a variety of specialists later in the month, but the foregone conclusion seems to be surgery, radiation, chemo, etc. My question re MRI--should I request this prior to surgery or as part of the interdisciplinary approach to evaluating my treatment? I have had this for roughly three years--it was misdiagnosed as a fibradenoma.


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