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  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    Thought I’d share a little good news, I think my hair is growing back! I have soft fluffy peach fuzz all over my head, and I keep petting it. Ha ha! I’ve dyed my hair for so long that I don’t really know it’s true color anymore, but as of now, it’s either totally gray or light blonde. I’m sure it’s gray, and that’s fine. At least it’s hair. I probably won’t dye it anymore, I figure I don’t need any extra poison in my life.

    I’m sure we’ll all agree that BC has changed us. I’m certainly not as perky and confident as I once was, and I’m more reflective and serious. I keep thinking of everything I want to do next year when my treatments are behind me. But why don’t I just go ahead and do them now? I keep using the excuse of not feeling well, but I’m not sure that’s a legit excuse. Why do I feel that I have to lay low and take it easy instead of grabbing life now?

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Ms Robin - I'm still doing taxol chemo so I try not to get into crowds that's my excuse. I am not perky and optimistic as before BC have changed my attitude toward life. Once I got through my treatment I think I will try to reach out more .

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2017

    I didn't lose ALL the hair on my head - just most of it - while I was on AC. When I began Taxol I still had quite a few long wisps of brown hair, the color that I dyed my original hair. (I'm not kidding when I say my wispy comb-over was reminiscent of a baby chimpanzee or Linus, Lucy's bro!) I also managed to keep all the rest of my body hair, eyelashes and eyebrows. That is, until Taxol treatment #9 was delayed a week. Soon after, I lost my bottom eyelashes. Then my top eyelashes, eyebrows and remaining head hair became very sparse. Thursday is my last chemo treatment - Taxol #12 - and something tells me I will soon lose whatever is left! Oh well. Might as well start from scratch! I'm sure my hair will come in grey and I'm going to be leaving it. My hairdresser is already collecting photos of interesting highlights and rinses for grey hair.

    When I was first diagnosed in mid-April, waiting for the outcome of biopsies and scans and then dealing with the results had me in an almost constant state of anxiety. Waiting weeks to meet with a surgeon and then a medical oncologist, and not having a plan of action for 35 days, felt paralyzing. My lifesaver was and is my primary care physician who would call me weekly to see how I was doing and now encourages me to call her whenever I need to talk. I hope you each have someone like her in your life. She suggested that I take buspirone HCL to "take the edge off," and I can't say enough about what a difference it has made in my attitude and outlook. I have always been a confident, take-charge sort of person; being good at my work is important to me, as is taking care of my home, family and friends. I can't say exactly how long it took, but one day - maybe a month after starting buspirone - I realized that the feelings of dread and anxiety were gone and I was able to get a good night's sleep, put in a full day's work, enjoy time with family, go out with friends and laugh, return to my artwork. I felt strong and positive again. Maybe this would have happened eventually without the medication, but why suffer? There will always be something new and frightening to face - surgery, pathology, radiation therapy, hormone therapy, the future - and if a 5 mg tablet can help me to live every day to the fullest, then I'm all for it.

    I admit, I didn't start the buspirone as soon as I was given the prescription. The list of potential side effects seemed prohibitive! But in the weeks before port placement I decided to try it. It's important to take buspirone at the same time each day, and because it can cause drowsiness I asked my PCP if it was necessary to take 2 5mg tablets daily as prescribed. She advised me to start with 1 5mg tablet at bedtime and this is the dosage I've been on for the past 5 months. It's quite sufficient for me. Some people even cut the tiny 5mg tab in half. If you feel depressed or "not yourself," unable to function or think clearly, I suggest that you speak with your physician.

    Wishing you all the very best.


  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Notanisland - I always like to read your posts, you gave us so much info to help us me out. I take Ativan from time to time to help me to calm me down perhaps I should take it daily?? I am on taxol 3 and going to have my #4 this Friday. I hope my SE stay as it is now, but I know it is wishful thinking.

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2017

    Hi Paulette, My understanding is that Ativan's generic form is Lorazepam. I have no experience with Ativan/Lorazepam, but I've looked up the differences between them and here's what I've found:

    Ativan (Lorazepam) helps you relax, is effective for occasional or short-term anxiety, is less likely to have drug interactions but more likely to cause withdrawal symptoms compared to similar drugs. Can cause memory problems, drowsiness, dizziness and confusion; can be habit-forming, so not typically used for long-term treatment; more likely to cause withdrawal if taken for a long time and suddenly stopped; many find it gets less effective over time. Used for Anxiety and Insomnia.

    Buspar (Buspirone) helps you relax, is effective for treating Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD), is less effective for short-term use. Works very well to control symptoms of GAD and does not cause physical dependence or withdrawal symptoms. It is only available as a generic, so the cost is low. Can take as long as 4 weeks to become fully effective, not as effective for short-term anxiety conditions or panic disorders. Most people find it loses effectiveness over long periods of time, can cause drowsiness or dizziness when you first start so be careful of activities that require mental alertness until you are used to the medication. Used for Anxiety.

    In response to your question about whether you should be taking Ativan daily...based on the online info, I would say probably not. But this is something you should discuss with your physician. My doctor was very helpful. I didn't want to become dependent upon an anti-anxiety med, so she suggested Buspirone. Being my primary care physician, she was able to check for drug interactions with any other meds I am taking. And when I told her that I couldn't have drowsiness or dizziness impacting driving or work, she suggested I take 5mg at bedtime. She did warn me that as time goes on, Buspirone may become less effective, which is why I started with a low dose. 5mg has been very effective for me, and so far, all I need.

    Good Luck with Taxol #4 on Friday!

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Notanisland- thanks for all these info will talk to my MO about this. So much to hunk about beside chemo and radiation

  • lightseeker
    lightseeker Member Posts: 58
    edited October 2017

    I started chemo in July but, am posting here because I've been reading posts from Moodyblues and MrsRobin58.  I am doing neoadjuvant, did 4 AC and now doing weekly taxol w/ carboplatin. Well, my platelets (and RBC, WBC) are so low, 39K, that they could not treat me this week and it pushed me further into a funk, I feel devastated. I use to be so full of life and now, I just can't. I think part of this funk is because I was always a woman with a plan and a goal and now I'm just drifting.

    I am a government chemist for 24+years and decided to go to Nursing school at night and become and RN, at age 50, so that I could give back. Well, my last topic in school was breast disorders. Nurses are responsible for teaching their patients how to do BSE (Breast Self Exam). I never have done this; just did mammo/sono yearly since age 40. So, as I was teaching myself how to do BSE, I found the lump. So I graduated nursing school and two weeks later got diagnosed with breast cancer. 

    I had planned on continuing on with schooling but chemo is exhausting (I work full time). I have no plan. A friend told me that my new plan is to get healthy but I have no control over this. Not being able to get my treatment feels like I can't even follow thru on a plan to get healthy. 

    I just needed to rant; I know everyone here gets it. Serious illness is just so devastating. I sometimes think it is the last piece of my nursing education - learning how my patient's feel. I'm a reason and logic person (not religious) trying to make sense of this. 

    Thanks for listening...


  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    I’m heading off for Taxol #7, wish me luck that my blood counts are good enough to keep moving forward! I feel quite well, which should be a good sign, but isn’t always so. I did find out that the times when I feel like climbing the stairs at home is like going up a mountain is indicative of low blood counts. I’ll be asking about flu shots today.

    Lightseeker it’s good to see you posting here! I know that anxiety and depression are to be expected with our BC diagnosis, and I wish I had the solution that will help each one of us. What I can say is that mine eased over time. I found that as months went by, it was easier to smile and find joy in life. I do firmly believe that grief has to be faced head on, and traveled through, and that ignoring it will only eventually make it more difficult. People will say to you “You look so good! Your attitude is wonderful! It’s good to see you smiling.” and all manner of things positive to try to cheer you. But if you don’t feel those things, you don’t have to fake it just to please others! After you wade through your own personal grief for awhile, you just may find it easing. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    msrobin58- best of luck with Taxol 7. Hoping your counts are all within range.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Ms robin.... good luck to your taxol 7, this Friday will be my taxol 4. I hope all my blood counts are good also.

    Lightseeker- I’m a woman with plans also, but we can’t control life. It is more important to get our health back, once we finished this chemo journey things will go uphill. Yes this journey is not easy, we only can do one day at a time.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    Taxol #7 is a go, but after much discussion. It’s my neutrophils that continue to drop. Seems like I’m heading for another delay soon if this trend continues. They’ve decided to up my Granix injections to three times a week. Those suckers really make my already bad back ache! I’ve been icing it often.

    The Benadryl in my pre meds doesn’t make me quite as loopy these days, perhaps I’m getting used to it. I talked to the PA about the sleepless nights that always follow treatment day, and she said if I want to take a Benadryl, that’s fine. But if I don’t mind the sleepless night, that’s okay too. It really doesn’t bother me anymore. I stay up watching movies, crocheting, reading my book, etc. And the next day I’m full of steroid energy without even realizing that I’m operating on two hours sleep. Oh yes, and she said they want us to have the flu shot, and we’ll get it here when it becomes available.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Ms Robin- sorry that your white blood cell count dropped, hope mine is okay. I told my MO I would be happy if I can reached to #9 taxol. This sucker will wear us down week by week.

    My MO suggested me to take Benadryl on the infusion night so I can sleep, I might give it a try. This steroid gives me so much energy I do like to have few hours sleep.

  • moodyblues
    moodyblues Member Posts: 470
    edited October 2017

    Lightseeker.  The two times that I had to wait an extra week for treatment I can honestly say that I felt so much better and stronger when I went in for my next treatment.  Was I happy that I had to wait- no, but I get it now.  I built up strength so much in that 7 days!  I did say to my nurse that I personally thought that my platelets would go up to where it needed to by Wednesday (this was Monday), she replied that it didn't matter what I thought, the doctor said no...she smiled and gave me that genuine loving look that she had and I laughed.  

    I agree with what Msrobin said in her second paragraph, she is so very right!  As for your friend who said "your new plan is to get healthy", that is true.  You will have a delay but, will jump right back on the chemo wagon asap. 

    It all takes some time and we all seem to have our waves (stages) of intense feelings.  Shock, anger, despair etc. come in waves....it does get better and when we think we have control, we don't.  It is hard, but with support from friends near us and ladies here, we get through it.  I was so glad to find people that truly understood what I was feeling and could relate to me.  Take care of 'you', remove extra stressors in your life, rant and rave here, try to keep walking (moving), cry, breathe deep, eat some fruit and whine when you need to.  

    Hugs to you,

    Melanie


  • Breastlessbeth
    Breastlessbeth Member Posts: 16
    edited October 2017

    Good Morning ladies. Long time no post from me simply because I hate the format of this site. I wish they would let us respond to posts underneath the original vs having a reply end up at the bottom of the thread. I found the Facebook pages much easier. Flat and fabulous breast cancer is my favorite.

    Chemo has taken its toll on me physically and mentally. I thought I would go flat with a BMX but now I am considering doing nothing.

    My thought us if it took 11 years for this cancer to grow and my first go round also took 10 years, what am I buying my doing it? A mutilated body? There is still no guarantee they get all the cancer and I've already been radiated.

    So maybe Ill sit this one out and wait to see. Being alone, 57 and broke I think the quality of life is more important then longevity. I had to send my dog, my life, to my daughters because the neuropathy in my hands and feet make it difficult to walk him He has so many issues he won't even let my son walk him or if my son takes him to the park, catching him to leave. My daughter has a dog which helps her deal with hus issues.

    The journey should be over fir most of us 5/2017 girls. I wish you luck.

  • lightseeker
    lightseeker Member Posts: 58
    edited October 2017

    Thanks for all of the positive vibes.

    Doc said the delay is kind of written into the program (with Carbo) - they expect it. She said she would be happy if I could tolerate 2x Carbos along with my 12 Taxols. The tumor is definitely shrinking (after 3xTaxol/1xCarbo). She also told me about Xeloda if I have residual cancer (I'm 3xNeg).

    I'm going to try and focus on the fact that I feel good instead of the fact that I missed my chemo. I get to choose where I put the magnifying glass.

    Thanks,

    Eve

  • moodyblues
    moodyblues Member Posts: 470
    edited October 2017

    Breastless, I wish we could respond right under a post as well.  By doing nothing, do you mean nothing at all?  No continuation of chemo, radiation etc or just the mastectomy part?  Do you think it may be depression making you feel this way and of course just being tired of 'all' of this?  Curious because I care and I know it is hard.  I hate that your going through this twice ((hugs)).

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2017

    Breastlessbeth, Yes, when you hit Post a Reply you expect your response to show up under the message you're replying to. That it ends up at the bottom of the thread requires scrolling up to find the original message. Or you have to recap the message you're responding to for it to make sense!

    As you note, most May chemos are scheduled to wrap up soon. I know you've had delays, and I had a one week delay on Taxol. My last neo-adjuvant chemo treatment was yesterday. Did you complete your chemo regimen? If you've managed to get through chemo, you've already come so far.

    Am I understanding correctly? Did you have a first bout of cancer over 21 years ago that was treated and in remission; then today, 11 years later, have a recurrence or new cancer? Have you discussed your change of heart (from mastectomy to foregoing surgery) with your medical oncologist and surgeon? You're only 57. Please discuss this with your medical team and family before you come to any firm decision. Ask all your questions and think the options over carefully. Like Moodyblues, I care and want you to make the best informed choice for YOU. I wish you the best.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    I’m used to having a sleepless night on treatment day, but last night I literally did not sleep at all! There was a half hour stretch where I may have dozed off, and that’s it. I simply could not turn my brain into sleep mode. I finally gave up at 7:30, got showered up, took myself out to breakfast, then ran many, many errands, including going for my Granix injection. Then I got home and was still on GO! It’s 7:30 pm now and I’m in my PJ’s fading fast. One of my stops today was to buy Tylenol PM for the next time. Enough is enough.

    I agree that not being able to reply directly is awkward, and hopefully the moderators will see our concerns and see about having the webmasters make some changes. Sometimes I’ll do a string of replies, but it’s tedious and often keeps me from replying at all. I’ve totally kept my diagnosis off of Facebook, so I’m not interested in joining a group there. This is the only place online where my breast cancer is public. I’m not sure why I don’t want it on social media, but I just don’t. Perhaps I just like having a corner of my life where it doesn’t exist.

  • Breastlessbeth
    Breastlessbeth Member Posts: 16
    edited October 2017

    To answer..

    I finished chemo 8/25. It kicked my butt. I had to get 2 units of blood this past Thursday. My counts are in the toilet and I have to deal with a surgeons staff member who feels I have to have surgery scheduled but can always cancel. Not that easy when I have to prepare all kinds of things since I am on my own. There is a great deal of mental prep that has to happen too.

    Oh and to top it all off, my 23 year old son found a lump in his r breast. It feels round to me so hopefully a cyst. He goes to the Doctor monday.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Breast less - I’m only a lurker here, you’re only 57, you still have more years to go. Work out a way to have your surgery, chemo is the harder part and you done it already. Wish you luck and prayers for you and your son. Hope it is only a cyst

  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited October 2017

    Hi ladies! I just wanted to check in on those of you who are still in chemo. I think of you often, and hope all is going smoothly. I too wish we could reply to individual posts. I read everything, but by the time I get to the end, I have a hard time replying to everyone.

    Update on me: My last infusion was 8/24, and right now my head is covered in about a centimeter of fuzzy hair. It started off white, but after growing for a few weeks, the color is coming back. I'm going to try to get the white ends buzzed off in a couple of weeks. My brows started growing back just this week, and I look like I have a five o'clock shadow where the brows should be. I just noticed today that I have eyelashes! The neuropathy in my hands and feet is decreasing. There is still a little tingling, but it is definitely getting better.

    I've done 10 of my 30 rads sessions, and I can definitely see the light at the end of the tunnel!

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2017

    Hi Lovepugs, Thanks for the post-chemo update. My last chemo infusion was 10/5. Tomorrow I see my MO for followup, next week I have a mammogram and ultrasound and see my surgeon. I had neo-adjuvant chemo (AC and Taxol), so I will "fall" even further behind you in treatment. I anticipate surgery by early November, followed by radiation therapy (and 5-10 years of hormone therapy).

    Congratulations on the improvements in side effects! It sound like radiation therapy is going well too. Very happy for you - keep your eye on that light at the end of the tunnel! And please keep us advised of your progress - it's helpful to hear about how everyone is doing. Wishing the best for you and all of our sisters.

  • moodyblues
    moodyblues Member Posts: 470
    edited October 2017

    Lovepugs, thanks for the update.  It feels good to say chemo is over doesn't it?!  I am over the chemo and will be doing 6 treatments of Herceptin.  

    I go to my reconstructive surgeon next week to set up removal of tissue expander and inserting implant, I will be glad to finish up that part as well.  I know my breast will never feel natural again, I am just hoping that it stops feeling like an overly large water balloon under my left arm when I sleep at night on my left side.  You never really realize how good that you have it till your health has been compromised.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    moodyblues-- "You never really realize how good that you have it till your health has been compromised." SO TRUE!!

    And, let me add that one does not know how much cancer changes your normal well beyond just the cancer site and cancer treatments. That awful cancer guy touches, changes, and disturbs many pieces of our lives and our family's lives.

    Cancer sucks.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    Hi ladies, now that I’ve done three Taxol in a row without delays, I see what they say about the side effects being cumulative. I’ve even had a bit of nausea, which was a Taxol first for me. The most difficult part for me has been trying to eat enough when everything just tastes nasty! I have to choke down enough food to sustain me, and three times daily seems like such a chore.

    As far as blood counts go, mine are in the toilet. I’ve barely snuck in under the wire the last two times, and the nurse practitioner anticipates another delay soon. They upped my Granix injections to three times a week. I haven’t been as achy from it as I was at first, and I think that’s because I’ve tried to keep moving around, which helps.

    I’ve planned myself a little getaway to my beachy hometown in Michigan, carefully scheduling the driving days for when I’ll be most perky. I hope I feel well enough to enjoy it, but I look at it this way. First of all, my best friend is there. And second of all, what better place to chill than the beach when you aren’t feeling well. I’m something of a hobby photographer, so that’s usually my main activity. Fall colors should be perfect too, and that lighthouse is just begging to be photographed at sunset.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    I almost forgot in my other post, if you are at all interested in my photos, I keep a garden blog at https://lifeinrobinsnest.blogspot.com/?m=1

    Breast less Beth, I’m concerned over your obvious depression. Have you discussed this with your doctor? It’s so hard not to go down that road with all we’ve been through. Please let us know how it goes for your son, we’re all hoping it’s just a cyst.

    Dodgersgirl, doesn’t it suck how much cancer has taken from us? That’s why I’m going ahead with my trip to Michigan, even if I might feel a little sick. Cancer stopped all my travels this year, and enough is enough.

    Moodyblues I’m so glad to hear that you are done with chemo! What a relief that will be for me too. Good luck with your surgery. Since I had a lumpectomy, I’m supposed to eventually have an oncoplastic reduction to even out the other side. But it doesn’t concern me much just yet.

    Notanisland We’ve been together on this journey so much, but I see you have finished chemo. Wonderful news! If all goes as planned, I’ll finish in mid November. I’ve had surgery already so next will be radiation for me.

    Lovepugs I have that same white fuzz all over my head and I assume my hair is just that gray. After all, I am 59 years old! But maybe it will turn back to color like yours. Sounds like radiation is going well for you.

    Paulette I did buy myself some Tylenol PM, which contains Benadryl, hoping to get a little sleep on treatment night. That’s tomorrow night, we’ll see how it goes.

    Lightseeker Don’t feel too bad about those delays, it will give you strength! It really does allow you a little break, even if it does put your schedule behind.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    msrobin58-- my hair started growing back as white fuzz but is now dark colored. It isn't long enough to know if it's dark brown or black yet.

    Enjoy your trip ... I am so looking forward to a trip of some kind in 2018.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Ms Robin, have a good trip and fall colors are so beautiful I wish I have the energy to take some photos also. I’m with you on the taxol and we will get done before the year ended.

    DodgersGirl- so glad to hear your hair is coming back, I was going to get another wig soon, because the one I ad just looks so ugly. I don’t think I will get my hair back this winter.

    Cancer took away our normal life and we need to grab it back once we feel close to normal again.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2017

    Doing #8 this morning, lo and behold my counts were actually in the normal range! The staff was seriously shocked, as I was. Apparently upping my injections to three has finally got my blood getting its act together and behaving itself. Onward!

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2017

    Great news, MsRobin! A welcomed surprise! Looks like we will get back on similar tracks for radiation therapy, since you'll likely finish chemo in mid-November and I'll be recovering from surgery about that time. Stay strong! And enjoy your trip home!

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