Starting Chemo May 2017
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Thanks ladies for your input on Taxol. Since I'm farther behind than all of you, my side effects are not too intense yet. And still it's tougher than I thought. I keep reminding myself that it's better than being nauseous like I was on AC. But definitely no picnic! To me, the most troublesome part is my mouth. I actually get hungry, but everything is either tasteless or tastes funky. Plus my mouth is always sore, dry, or tastes off.
The fatigue is also challenging, and my MO said the low counts make it worse. There are days that climbing my stairs feels like running a marathon. I find myself napping most days. As far as neuropathy goes, it's still early, but I've noticed some numbness in my left foot, but it's not constant. Honestly, with my track record, I just assume I'll be bothered by neuropathy eventually.
Any sign of your hair growing back ladies? The nurse it often starts to grow back during this course,but no sign yet. I'm sure growing weary of the bald look.
notanisland You've had some challenges too, that's for sure. I'm glad to hear your tumor is shrinking, but would also be a bit frightened if I wasn't able to finish chemo. I already had my tumor removed before starting chemo, but I'm terrified that it will return since my Oncotype Dx score was 66! Even though my lymph nodes were clear, this tough chemo course is to prevent a recurrence. And I still have radiation afterwards.
lovepugs77 I had my expectations too high for Taxol also. No cakewalk indeed.
DodgersGirl, I wondered how long after treatments ended that I'd feel normal again. Sounds like I'll have to be patient. But please tell me I'll eventually be able to taste again!
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Msrobin, I had some taste issues with Taxol, too. I couldn't taste anything but sweet for a few weeks, and my mouth had an icky feeling, like it was coated with something. My sense of taste is back now (just 2 weeks after my final chemo), but the icky feeling has come back. I read somewhere that sometimes it takes a long time for the fast growing cells to get out of sync with growth/death cycles. I'm guessing that the cells that line the mouth are fast growing, have a short life, and are just in sync, so I just had a bunch of them die off over the last few days. Hopefully they will get staggered soon.
My hair started growing back halfway through Taxol, and is still growing, but slowly. My head looks like a fuzzy peach. All of the new growth is white/gray...I just turned 40 last week, and before chemo I was only about 10% gray. I'm REALLY hoping the color comes back. I've read that sometimes it does. However, my eyebrows hung in there until during Taxol, then they fell out. I have no eyebrows right now, and I have no idea how long it will take for them to come back. I have read that people have the same problem with the eyebrows being in sync, so sometimes well after chemo the brows and lashes will all fall out together because they aren't staggered like they used to be. Eventually they should get out of sync, though.
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lovepugs77, that's so interesting about our hair being in sync, but it so makes sense! I see a lot of Taxol ladies talking about their hair falling out, but I assume that they are starting chemo with Taxol. On AC, my head hair fell out about 99% two weeks after my first treatment, which is the norm. The remaining 1% never fell out, mostly around the edges. The rest of my hair fell out after AC #3, including nose, pubic, lashes, and brows. I don't know when my legs or underarms went because I shaved them at the start and they never returned. Again each loss left me a few stragglers, except nose which drives me crazy! I'm going through mountains of tissues, as each tiny sniff is an emergency when you don't have nose hair to catch it! I can be sitting there innocently and suddenly a drip decides to exit my nose with no warning. Argh! LOL
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msrobin58- last Taxol was 8/16/17. I think each week finds another SE gone but it a slow wait, for sure.
Sinuses still dry but not was bad as it was during Taxol. Fingernails still sore from time to time but not a constant pain. Taste buds still off but getting better. Still tired and short imif breath when walking upstairs from low red blood counts
I think the SE take some time to completely disappear.
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My treatment was postponed yet again this past Thursday, and I'm very frustrated. My white count had rebounded but my platelets were too low. My treatments are dragging on forever with all these delays! The only good part is that my tongue is getting a chance to heal a bit, and I can taste food better. Wish me luck this Thursday, because I'd like to move forward!
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Msrobin. I second that, my platelets are once again low, I was checked Friday and will have labs checked again today. My next treatment is Wednesday-if my platelets are up and it will be my last for TCH. I too am hoping to get it done! This happened once before and I had to postpone my treatment and to be honest, it helped my body to re-coop until my next round.
I hope that your platelets (and mine) will go up and act right!
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Msrobin and moodyblues, I wasn't thrilled when my MO and NP decided I should delay Taxol 9 on 9/7 due to concerns over accumulated neuropathy in my fingers and feet. But I admit that the week off made a positive difference. The neuropathy remained constant but not as severe. I regained a sense of taste for savory foods (I was so sick of only tasting sweet), and enjoyed a weekend without muscle aches and fatigue. When I returned to the oncology clinic on 9/14, I found out that even my RBC had gone up. It hadn't been of great concern, but was an added bonus. I was cleared for Taxol 9 on the 14th and now on Day 5 I'm pleased to have had less side effects than I did following treatments 7 and 8. Neuropathy in my fingers increased on Days 3&4 but was much more tolerable because the body aches and fatigue didn't return, and the numbness in my fingers and feet has decreased today. My sense of taste is still good. Based on the way I've been feeling, I'm confident that I'll be cleared for Taxol 10 on Thursday. I hope that I can squeeze through the last 3 treatments without accumulating side effects again. If that happens, they may decide not to complete all 12 Taxol cycles, and I will go on to surgery. I received chemotherapy before surgery in order to shrink the cancer in my breast and lymph, so whether I have 1, 2 or 3 more treatments, it's time to schedule a visit with my surgeon.
I will be thinking of you on Wednesday and Thursday and hoping your platelet counts are up and okay for treatment. Best wishes.
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Notanisland and MsRobin They did indeed postpone my treatment for 9/20/17 and have re-scheduled for 9/27/17. I have had this happen once before and that extra week helped me a great deal to build up strength for the next one. I guess postponing this one feels a bit harder because it would have been my last chemo (TCH) and I was looking forward to being done. I will have 6 more infusions of just Herceptin after that. I WILL NOT let this postponement depress me and will look at it as a chance for an extra week of rebuilding strength.
I pray for God's presence as I finish up these treatments and go forward as it has been so hard to concentrate and stay on task since I started chemo. I try to read my devotionals, I read AND re-read and read again because I cannot absorb what I have read! It is frustrating to not be able to concentrate and remember what I have read. I start to pray and get lost, only to start over again. I know that He knows my heart so, I try not to let it worry me too much. Cannot wait till I am through with chemo!!!
Melanie
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Hi Robin moody and notanidland
I'm lurking here to find out more about taxol I'm much more behind all of you but I agreed sometime would be good to rest a week to let our bodies get the strength back. I'm going to follow your footsteps and prayers God would lead my ways to the end of this treatment.
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Hi PauletteK, You may be behind me in chemo, but you've already had surgery, while I have not. If my calculations are right, you finished AC at the end of August and recently started Taxol. My experience with Dose Dense AC (4 treatments, 1 every 2 weeks, over a total of 8 weeks) was that I had about 6 days of very low white blood count every 2 weeks despite the Neulasta shot. I was fortunate in that the low WBC did not make me feel bad, but I did have to stay away from crowds in a kind of self-imposed confinement from Day 5-10. By the time I'd go back for my next treatment, my WBC would be good enough for clearance. It really wasn't bad and I was hopeful that the subsequent 12 weeks of Taxol would be just as easy to get through. In fact, my Nurse Practitioner told me that for many people Taxol has less side effects than AC. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case for me. Neuropathy (numbness) in my fingers and feet, muscle aches and fatigue started slowly and then accumulated, affecting me for longer periods of time and increasing in intensity. With only 7 days between each treatment, that didn't leave too many good days, and so the one week delay of Taxol 9 was needed. And it has helped to "dial back" the side effects.
But you should know that my experience isn't necessarily yours. We all respond differently. Taxol affects MsRobin's and moodyblues' platelet counts, frustrating them by delaying their treatments. You may not have an issue with your blood counts either. There are many people who find Taxol more tolerable than DD AC. I hope you are one of them. Wishing you the Best!
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Paulette, are you doing DD Taxol or weekly? I did DD (both AC and Taxol), and I wouldn't say it was easier than AC, just different. The major problems I experienced with Taxol were neuropathy (which actually started just prior to my first Taxol, so some of it was from the AC) in my hands and feet, acid reflux, and some nail issues. My thumbnails and one big toenail look pretty bad and have partially lifted. I had my last infusion 4 weeks ago this Thursday, and all of them seem to be getting better, though. I still have neuropathy, but it seems to be diminishing a bit. My oncologist said it can take a long time to go away completely. My reflux is gone, but I'll be starting radiation within the next week or so, and I expect that it will come back. My nails still don't look good, but they don't seem to be lifting anymore, and my oncologist examined them on Monday and said that the top part of my nails looks healthy, so hopefully the damaged part will just grow out. I only iced for the last two infusions, and if I had it to do over again, I'd ice my nails from the first one. I also lost most of my sense of taste during Taxol - I could only taste sweet for about a week after each infusion.
The easy parts of Taxol for me were that there was no nausea, I wasn't as tired as on AC, and my hair started growing back about halfway through Taxol. Right now it is just white fuzz, but at least it's hair! I'm hoping it regains its color - I just turned 40 a couple of weeks ago, and I'm not ready to be all gray yet!
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Well ladies, Taxol #5 was a go today, and I’m moving forward again. My white count and platelets were both high enough to proceed. I will get two shots after each treatment from now on, not sure whether it will be Neulasta or Granix. Those darn shots make me ache like the dickens! But they seem to work, so bring it on.
I’ve never been so excited for chemo! After missing two treatments in a row, I’ve been feeling so well and back to my usual perky self. The real Robin has often been lost during this journey, to be replaced by a much more sedate version. So the real Robin was enjoying her time at the cancer center today, believe it or not. My doctor, the receptionists, and the nurses have all come to know me, and I was greeted warmly by all. And I was thrilled to get going again. Onward! There’s a saying about getting going in order to be finished faster, but I can’t think of it. Anyone?
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MsRobin,
Yes, you have to fight back with every part of you. 🤗 After my DD#8,final one, I felt much better. You have better things to do so kick those chemo devils out of your way.
Mimi
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Ms Robin. I am happy that you got to go through today!
I understand what you meant when you said "the real Robin has often been lost during this journey" I feel the same way many times and am looking forward to when chemo is over.
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Me Robin .... go go go!! I will follow you on th taxol wagon tomorrow!
Notanisland and lovepugs- I'm doing 12 weeks of taxol, I will try to see how many of the taxol I can get through. I'm taking B6 and 12 also taking L glutamine hope I can make it to this journey. My finger tips are dried up from AC, they are more sensitive than before already. All I can do is try to see how far can I go.
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Several ladies have mentioned that it isn't all bad having a week off, giving you time to recoup and heal. While I definitely agree with this, my frequent delays worry me. I'm frightened that it's weakening the effects of my chemotherapy! My AC was supposed to be every two weeks, but my body just couldn't handle it and they switched me to every three weeks. Now I've only had five Taxol treatments and I'm three weeks behind with delays! That makes a lot of changes to my original treatment plan, and my fear is that the chemo just won't work quite as well as it could have, allowing the cancer to return. That's why I've been so bothered by the delays.
RebaMacFan123-I was too sick and weak to fight much during my AC treatments, but the Taxol has been kinder to me. So now I can fight!
MoodyBlues-isn't it maddening how much this disease has taken from us? I'm trying to find my real self again, but I must admit to struggling with self image problems. My physical appearance shouldn't matter that much, but it does. My bald head, no eyebrows or lashes, scars, two different sized breasts, and just plain feeling ill have all combined to make me feel so unattractive. I'm sorry you had to postpone your last treatment. Someone rang the bell at my place today, and I was envious!
PauletteK, good luck on your first Taxol treatment tomorrow! I hope it goes well.
LovePugs77, I sure hope to see some returning hair growth soon! I'm older than you at 59, so I don't really care what color it is. I've colored it for so many years that I'm not entirely sure how much gray I have! I don't want to continue coloring it due to the chemicals. But if it makes me look old, I might weaken that stance.
Notanisland, don't you wonder why we in particular struggle with low blood counts? The isolation wears on me, as does trying to stay out of my garden. A couple weeks ago, I was feeling so well and spent several hours on a Wednesday digging and planting. The next day I went in for my treatment and my WBC was dangerously low! I really took a risk, and didn't even know it. Now I'm frightened to garden, and will have to leave it to hubby. I'm glad that your postponement gave you some relief from the neuropathy.
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Ms Robin - I tried to enjoy my good days which doesn't has many when you do weekly taxol plus I'm going to have weekly PT next week. But life will be back to normal as soon as we finished our chemo. I'm telling myself that I'm not going to rush my body now, if my body needs a break, I will let that happens. I only have one body I can't damage my body to the point that no returns. That's only my opinion.
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As for OPI nail polish should the colors be darker shades or will any color do? I receive a pretty light color in my LBFB goodie bag. I prefer lighter color on my hands
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CA-Sunshine, I don't use OPI but I do use an opaque color (not frosted) in a light pinkish flesh tone. A base coat, 2-3 coats of polish and a top coat seem to do the trick and I have very discolored nails. In fact, the top half of my right index is separated from the nail bed and very dark in color - a dark blue/green! I have to be careful to keep that nail trimmed so that nothing gets caught between the nail and skin.
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MsRobin, YAY! I hope the extra day-after shot keeps your Taxol treatments on track from now on. Try not to worry too much about the impact that delays have on the effectiveness of your treatments. A chemo-buddy of mine completed neo-adjuvant chemo about 4 weeks ago (DD AC followed by Taxol). She had a terrible time with UTIs and low blood counts during her treatment, and like you, had a couple of hospital stays that delayed her treatment by a month total. Well, on Monday she had a lumpectomy and I received a text from her less than 24 hours later with the best possible news. She had been diagnosed through ultrasound with a 2.5 cm breast tumor and a swollen lymph. She had a biopsy done, but I don't believe the lymph was biopsied at that time. But in the ultrasound after chemo and prior to surgery the 2.5 cm tumor had shrunk to microscopic particles so the surgeon removed the tissue around the biopsy markers. The lymph was negative in the most recent ultrasound and because the sentinel nodes tested negative, they removed only two instead of the planned 3. She will know more after the pathology report on the removed tissue, but her prognosis looks very good!
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The Granix injections seem to be helping, I’ve now had two successive Taxol treatments, six down, six to go. Halfway point reached! But I must admit that my counts were not the greatest, high enough for treatment, but borderline. The nurse only gave me a green light because of the injections, because my neutrophils were 1.4, pretty low. While I’m glad to be back on target, I almost forgot how difficult it can be not to have that break. I’m especially discouraged to not taste anything again. And I mean almost everything is tasteless! I only eat to assuage hunger right now. Now that food has taken a back seat in my life for so many months, I can see how much joy eating used to bring me, because I never stop talking about how tasteless everything is! Hubby is continually amazed at my rejection of all sweets, the things that I always found irresistible. I’ll be happy to continue to reject desserts because I had a problem with them all my life. But I do look forward to tasting normally again
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notanisland, the reason why I fret so over these treatment delays making them less effective is because my Oncotype Dx score being ridiculously high at 66% chance of recurrence without chemo! I guess I should ask if they have a guess on the chance WITH chemo, but that 66 terrifies me, and understandably so. I often get scolded by my best friend for letting that fear control me, but I’m not someone who believes that the power of positive thinking will cure me. The world often tells cancer patients to fight, fight, fight, like we can wish it away. I hope like hell that it never comes to get me, but I don’t think I can stop it with my brain. Treatments, doctors, medical knowledge, surgery, radiation, healthy living, medicine, these are the tangible things can help me. Amazingly enough, even with that nasty 66 breathing down my neck, my lymph nodes were clear, so that brings me some comfort.
That being said, I’m so glad that your friend had such good results from her chemo, despite her difficulties! May we all get such good results.
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Ms Robin,
I feel the same way about eating, I'm hungry but food is not appealing. But I'm still trying especially on the days I have appetite such as day 1 and half day 2. Then day 5-7 are pretty normal. I lost about six lbs so far. I will try to do as much as I can on taxol, my WBC was fine hoping it will not too low so I have to take a break.
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Paulette, I’ve come to realize how important food has always been to me, and what joy it has brought to my life, because I continue to be traumatized by my inability to taste anything. I want to enjoy food again, but right now I only eat to live. It’s been a real change in my life, perhaps something I should have learned long ago. Obviously, I’m overweight. I blame my breast cancer on that very problem, so perhaps I’m now punishing myself? I almost feel like I’m going to come out of all this with an eating disorder, because I have so many food aversions these days!
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Msrobin. Yes, I sometimes look at the cancer and try to figure who to blame...me? Pesticides? additives? colorings? sedentary life style? being slightly overweight? pollution? chlorine in the water? Fluoride? etc. Now a days they say everything can cause cancer so, we will just have to do the best that we can.
Hang in there, those taste buds will come back! I had a break in chemo (like you) and that 4th week girrrrrl, I ate everything because I was so hungry and my taste buds were alive and well. Big hugs to you as you battle your food aversions.
Melanie
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I'm trying to eat on my good days, I know our taste buds will be back as soon as we finished our chemo. Today I went out lunch with my friends I finally feel like a normal person again even I look different. But I feel much better, then I realized how depressed I have been the last few months. 😓😓😓 I used to be an optimistic person, how much I let BC changed me.
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Paulette. I have felt a bit of depression too throughout this ordeal. To be quite honest there were times that my mind (because of chemo) was playing tricks on me. Irrational thinking. For instance, no one can sit with me every moment of the week as I vegg in a chair after chemo and I knew that. I encouraged others to go about their daily lives and living because there really is nothing they can do for me....what, are they going to sit and stare at me for a week? ha! Of course not. Yet when they were gone I was feeling a great deal of abandonment issues. Anger. Isolation. Name it. I knew it was irrational to encourage them and then in the next second be feeling what I was but, I FELT IT. I still am dealing with those feelings that I had and now to figure how to resolve them....time maybe?
BC has changed me too, I don't know if I should live my life with abandon now because of BC or if doing so means that I would be living life recklessly. Do any of us know how much time we have? Do we know if we'll be hit by a truck crossing the street? Yet now that I've 'had' BC, I think of my timeline and what I should do or not do because I do not want to squander it. Do I never splurge again on a steak or those lovely, sugary, delicious sweet treats? Do the AI's and the SE's of them outweigh quality of life? Some will fight tooth and nail to do everything 'correctly' according to the BC manual and others will say that I will do what I can.
Once again, I feel that chemo has altered my thinking and the poisons have somewhat rearranged my thinking patterns. Is it depression/anxiety or poison that is affecting my brain. ~I am optimistic by choice and maybe a few months down the road all of my optimism will return. Glass half full. Silver linings. More good than evil.
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Melanie
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Moody I know how you feel since we are in the same shoes now. To me, I feel like I got my second chance of life. If BC didn’t spread to my lymph node I wouldn’t even know I have lump. Can’t feel it, mammos and US didn’t show it. So I do think God gave me a second chance, I don’t know the length of time, but I think I will try to use my time to help other once I get through with all my treatments. Will try to spend time with my family and thanks them for the supports they gave me during this time. I will work on my bucket list so I can complete some of them,
I need to focus the time after treatment so that will give me hopes and some joy. I know the weekly chemo get me down, soon will be daily radiation could be worse. But we need to focus life after treatment and I hope that help us get through the bad time.
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Yes Paulette, I agree, giving back to others will help in the healing of our spirits and uplift them as well....I feel the same way that you do in that respect. Several of my friends in my BC group have done exceptionally well through radiation treatment and I am amazed at their endurance. Praying for you as you continue to radiation AND that your joy will be felt in the special moments (and ordinary moments) throughout your day!
Melanie
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hi Blue
Hope you feel better emotionally it's hard when you think about how uncertain our future, however who can really control the future? I just need to tell myself I need to put my life back together I still am figuring out how to do it myself. Thank you for the prayers!
Hugs!
Paulette
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