LD Flap Breast Reconstruction - things to know beforehand.

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leftduetostupidmods
leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
edited September 2017 in Breast Reconstruction

With your permission, ladies, I have put together all that is and that we know for this procedure, the good and the bad. That is mostly because most of the surgeons try to dismiss and minimize any kind of complications or quality of life issues that this procedure may bring.

Things to be aware when deciding to have a Latissimus Dorsi flap breast reconstruction.

1. Latissimus Dorsi flap breast reconstruction is usually recommended to women who do not have enough fat tissue to do the TRAM, DIEP, GAP or any other reconstruction that requires fat pad transfer, or in the cased of a failed reconstruction of these techniques. It can be done with or without skin flap, depending if you need replacement of radiated skin or not. If you are not in the categories above, and your PS is trying to push for this procedure, do not do it. They are only trying to increase their portfolio or it might be the only technique they're good at. Search a second opinion.

The recovery is slightly longer than with other reconstruction procedures. The biggest pro for this procedure is the fact that most of the best and most natural looks are achieved through this type of flap.

2. The success rate is quite high, nevertheless, the more athletic you are the higher the chances that you will have severe issues after this procedure, some of them being as severe as to leave you disabled for life. Besides extremely low strength in your arms/hands, there are two major possible complications from this procedure:

a. one of the rare but serious complications is the herniated abdominal oblique (on the side of your waist) - that muscle can be injured (or at least the sheath of that muscle) during prelevation of the LD muscle. That can cause the abdominal oblique to herniate, causing thus a breach in the abdominal wall. Depending on the severity of the defect, you might have no serious issues but you may have intestinal obstruction and displacement of the kidney on that side. You will need surgery to correct that defect by placing a mesh - and you will have issues lifting any kind of weights above 5 lbs for the rest of your life.

b. The other complication is not so rare, it's very common, and started to be documented by spine doctors in the past few years, with the spine being pulled out of alignment due to the absence of the LD muscle as major muscle supporting the torso upright. So look at severe pain and possibly loss of function in your arms/hands as time goes by. Best is to start as early as you can exercises to strengthen the remaining muscles in your back so they can compensate for the missing LD.

3. Procedure and what to expect:

The muscle is cut from waist-high, lifted from your back, then tunneled under your arm and brought in the front, where it will be sutured close to your breast bone. Usually if there is an implant, the pectoralis major muscle will be stretched and brought down to cover the 1/2 top of the implant, the bottom 1/3 of the implant will be positioned under the serratus muscle (the muscle that covers your ribs) and the transplanted LD will cover pretty much the whole implant - sometimes under the other two muscles, sometimes on top, depending on that specific plastic surgeon's developed technique

You will have at least one drain per side reconstructed. on the side, close to your waist. Some surgeons can place up to 3 drains per side, one in the reconstructed breast area and another one on the back. If you feel any seroma accumulation that doesn't seem to be drained properly by the drain, INSIST on having it absorbed with a needle: contrary to what surgeons assure you, allowing the seromas to absorb by themseves will create a lot of scar tissue and this will make you uncomfortable later on, sometimes needing massage therapy to break that scar tissue (that in some cases may even interfere with your ability to take a deep breath)

4, The LD breast reconstruction most likely will add to the arms and hand weakness you already have from the mastectomy.

5. Things you will have to re-learn how to do or you might have problems doing - because the LD muscle is the one responsible for any pushing/pulling move you make: getting up/sitting down on a chair or even on the floor; turning around in bed; opening/closing jars and lids; swimming; playing tennis; getting on a horse; climbing a ladder.

6. From the esthetics points of view, you will have a lot of breast animation. Make sure to discuss with your PS the severing of the thoraco-dorsal nerve, the one that stimulates the LD muscle. Without that nerve cut, the muscle will never atrophy properly and you will have distortion of the breast every time you do a push/pull move. Talking of distortion of the breast, even with the nerve sectioned, your foobs will distort any time you are facing down holding yourself upright on your arms. Depending on how good your PS is, you will have a smaller or larger "underarm boob" as that is the LD muscle. Also, remember the bra overhang right behind your underarm? You will have that forever, even with a BMI of 15. Another bad esthetic but not so important as it's usually covered by clothing is a slight (and in time more pronounced) sagging of the skin along the spine going towards the sides, starting about right under shoulder-blade height all the way to your waist. That is because the muscle from under there is no more and nothing supports the skin. Also, you will have a relatively deep indentation about 2"-3" (depending on your size) on the side you had the LD flap reconstruction, as the spinal muscle (the one that goes up and down the spine) is still in place but the LD is not there anymore. You might also experience the "cowhide" feeling right under the skin in the area of prelevation of the LD muscle.

7. The scar tissue may give you a "corset" feeling, be it around your torso, if you had bilateral reconstruction, or just on the side you had it if you had unilateral reconstruction. There isn't much that can be done about the "iron corset" and massage therapy barely touches it.

8. Reported from members with unilateral LD flap reconstruction, if one has a unilateral LD flap done, there may be the feeling of one's body being pulled (twisted) to the side opposite the surgery side. Also, the inability to twist one's torso normally either direction until the proper myofascia release therapy is done on the back.

Ok, anyone else wants to add anything? I tried to get as many facts as I could.

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  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2017

    Thanks for posting this, Seachain.

    I would add, if one has a unilateral LD flap done, there may be the feeling of one's body being pulled (twisted) to the side opposite the surgery side. Also, the inability to twist one's torso normally either direction until the proper myofascia release therapy is done on the back.

    I have permanent nerve damage along my ribs affected by the LD flap. It makes it feel like there is an iron corset constricting the surgery side 24/7. Two plus years of MFR, scar release and deep tissue massage have only made a small dent in that feeling.


  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited August 2017

    Gosh yes I forgot the corset. I'll edit.

  • Flomom14
    Flomom14 Member Posts: 7
    edited August 2017

    I am glad that this post exists and wish I had read it before my BMX with lat flap on May 1st. Diagnosed with Invasive BC, ERPR+, Her2 Neg on May 15, 2015. Had lumpectomy on right side, close to armpit followed by 32 rounds of radiation. Then put on Tamoxifen.

    Rediagnosed with local recurrence approx 2 inches away from previous lumpectomy on October 3, 2016 - almost a year to the day I finished radiation. Cancer spread to lymph nodes, so did 6 months of AC and Taxol, had BMX with lat flap on right side due to my breast already being radiated and skin too thin - then I had 28 m ore rounds of radiation on my right clavicle and neck. And now I am on Xeloda, oral chemo, since my cancer is so aggressive.

    Now, getting to surgery - I am about 4 months post-op and am having a lot of tightness under my right armpit - it is very hard under my armpit [more my muscle than my breast]. My expanders are quite soft and hard, feels like I have skee balls under my skin, my question is is this normal with expanders and a lat flap. I have about 90% mobility with my arm, but writing with my hand [since right handed] feels awkward and the area just feels tight and uncomfortable.

    My concern is that I teach elementary school, and teach all 400 plus students, so limited mobility with tightness concerns me and I don't do my exchange until November 8, 2017.

    Just curious to know how others have felt with their lat flap - I did have 4 drains, and they were in for about 4 weeks post op, the one under my flap was the "juiciest" and was still at 30 ccs, but they removed it anyway.

    TIA

  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited August 2017

    I am afraid I can't help you with that - I had direct implants with no expanders. It was a pain, they were first pretty much under my chin, and I had to wear an Ace bandage on top of them to push them down so they'd "drop and fluff" for several months.

  • gitalen
    gitalen Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2017

    i had the surgery on Nov 2016. Maybe because my breast was not big it was done oncoplastic surgery with lat d. No expanders were used. My main problem- lost strenght in arm and very strange sensitivity of muscle in the breast. As after radiation muscle became more hard during breast echoscopy i have very strange feeling. i feel like during this procedure replaced damaged muscle vibrate (similar like from electricity).

    I am from Europe, so maybe we have different surgery protocols here

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited September 2017

    gitalen, I had that vibrating feeling as well. That is one of the things that actually got better for me over time.

    By the way, my mom's side of the family is from Lithuania! :)

  • gitalen
    gitalen Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2017

    Nice to hear Nash both things. First, no so many people know Lithuania :), . Second- you gave me hope, that this muscle vibration will gone or lower one day


  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited September 2017

    Those are the nerves that were cut during surgery that are trying to regrow. It feels like you got a taser that is zapping inside your breast or a little thin worm wiggling around in spasms - I don't know how to explain it otherwise. It will take about 1 to 2 years but it will go away completely.

  • gitalen
    gitalen Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2017

    thank you dear Sisters for explanation. Sad, that your experience with surgery results was bad, but you do great work to help other women to deal with this strange "things" which is going in our body. No one doctor could know so many symptoms and how to deal with them. Someone with same experience is the best and most trustworth adviser

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