Unhappy with port placement

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  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2016

    I really didn't have much pain but took a Tramadol left over from mastectomy.

  • sueopp
    sueopp Member Posts: 1,541
    edited March 2016

    I would check with the nurse just to be sure. Best to you - SUE

  • PurpleMinion
    PurpleMinion Member Posts: 165
    edited March 2016

    I had my first infusion immediately following my port placement. I have had the port since July 2015 and at first it was very painful and I used the emla cream. After I'd had it for three months I went for a second opinion and I didn't realize they would want to draw blood and I had no cream with me. I just let them access it without any numbing and guess what: it didn't hurt. I've never used the cream since. Now, as far as the post being really visible, mine isn't so visible but that could be because I've got, ahem, extra padding. The tail that goes over my collarbone is pretty easy to spot though.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited April 2016

    Wow! When I did neoadjuvant and adjuvant chemo, the facility used numbing spray and it was just a slight 'prick'. The day of my last weekly Taxol ( approx. 6 mths post port implant), the Rads Dr wanted a new MRI with contrast before I started rads the next week and as the hospital is adjacent to the Center I walked through the doors and up the elevator. They wanted to use my port but did not even have numbing spray. They didn't have heparin to reestablish the heparin block. Luckily, I was heading over for my last Taxol so they called the infusion desk and was told "Don't do anything - send her straight to us with the needle still in as quick as she can walk over. We'll handle it! Never use a port again if you don't get appropriate education.". Back to the point though - accessing it without any numbing spray or cream HURT like HADES - far worse than ever with incompetent techs had botched up vein accesses (I have great veins) over the years. In the 6 yrs of doing flushes, I always use numbing cream.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited April 2016

    Kicks is right. Make sure anyone trying to use your port is well trained & familiar with the new 'power port'. i always go to the infusion center to have my port accessed and then head over to other locations for PET or MRI or CT testing w/contrast. When the testing is done, I go back to the infusion center to have the port flushed & access "dangles" removed.

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited April 2016

    Thanks to all for continuing to post on ports!

    I'm learning so much.

    My old-fashioned, not-a-power-port turns 13 (edited on 4/3 to be 14 years old) this month and I remembered a few more tips!

    * If you don't have emla or receive lidocaine by needle or spray, it's good to have the nurse stretch the skin taut over the port when inserting the needle on your out breath.

    * Accessing should be a sterile procedure, but the kit that comes with my hospice nurse includes a mask, two pairs of sterile gloves and a whole lot of stuff. That seems a bit overdone, but do be cautious, especially in hospitals and around germ-filled places.

    * There are different lengths and widths of safety needles - I use a 3/4" 22-gauge safety needle for incoming, but a wider gauge for draws. This protects my skin from breakdown - necessary with weekly access. Also, longer needles are great for fleshier folk, shorter ones don't work loose from we skin-and-bone folk.

    * I've learned to de-access my port myself and find it's a simple procedure, though it requires syringes of both saline and hep lock. Maybe worth considering for home infusions that take a long time. Do you really want to have a nurse sitting around that long? :)

    Sending caring, healing regards for Patty and all, Stephanie

  • carpe_diem
    carpe_diem Member Posts: 1,256
    edited April 2016

    I just got an unanticipated lesson in de-accessing my port and, as longtermsurvivor says, it's a simple procedure. I was near the end of my second week (out of five) of continuous infusion 5-FU when the fanny pack holding my pump and infusion bag fell off the night table. It was 2 AM and I didn't notice a problem then, but at 5:30 it was clear that the bag had sprung a slow leak and there wasn't enough left to get me through to Monday morning. Besides, I had drips of chemotherapy here and there and that's a real no-no.

    After I looked at the directions for handling spills I called the 24-hour line for guidance and they sent out a nurse to help with the toxic waste clean-up. I did recommend that she wait for daylight. Did I mention the snowstorm and icy roads? She was very helpful and said we'd done a good job following instructions but thought I needed help for getting the tubing and needle out. She showed me how to wear gloves to remove air from the saline and heparin, clamp the tube, disconnect the tube from the pump, clean everything obsessively with alcohol wipes, flush with saline, clean obsessively again, flush with heparin, remove the bandage and take the needle out of the port. Really, it's easier done than said.


  • Groovywilma
    Groovywilma Member Posts: 450
    edited April 2016

    Hello! I got my port yesterday. The process went well. Right now it's still under the bandages so I can't say how I feel about it just yet. It's smaller than I expected. Mine is a MedComp Dignity CT port. I'll get to try it out this Thursday for labs, then my first infusion of Gemzar. Just wanted to thank everyone here for all of the great information. It made it a lot less scary for me! Thanks!



  • GatorGal
    GatorGal Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2016

    So glad to find this port thread. The last two times I have had chemo my nurse has cautioned me to keep an eye on the port to make sure it doesn't poke through my skin. She said if it does, to call immediately as this could lead to a serious infection. When she repeated that warning to me yesterday, I asked what they would do. She said they would have to remove the port. It is a power port and I have had it for about 5 years. The problem is my weight loss. When I had it put in, I was probably about 160 pounds. I am now 114. So, I am freaking out. I sent a picture to my sister who is a retired hospice nurse. She suggested I call tomorrow and talk to the nurse about getting a smaller replacement port. I'm thinking, what if I'm three hours away at the beach and it pokes through? Has anyone else ever had this happen or heard of it? I love my port. It has been my best friend through 5 years of chemo.


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  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited April 2016

    Hi GatorGal,

    Our ports look much the same.

    As my flesh has melted away (125# to 100#), my port has poked out more and more. And the skin on top is kinda mottled pink and purple-bruised (sorry, graphic). It's now 14 years old and hasn't broken the skin yet. I'd say, the area just keeps looking a bit more tattered every week. But I'm still expecting it to outlive me. :)

    GatorGal, it sounds like you are anxious about your port, but maybe good to get a magnifying mirror or a close friend to really look closely at the skin above it. If it's totally broken down, then get on it. If the skin is just needle-marked and doesn't have definite changes that look like a wound, then maybe okay to slow down.

    Either way, slow down and take a deep breath.

    It seems interventional radiologists often deal with replacing good ports gone bad.

    If you need a replacement, be sure to ask about low-profile and kids' ports, so you aren't sporting that big-bump metal medal on your chest. And some people love their ports on their upper, inner arm. Oh yes, my old port doesn't have a mouse tail, because the catheter is threaded differently than those that go over the collar bone. You should have some options to choose from.

    warmest healing wishes, Stephanie

  • GatorGal
    GatorGal Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2016

    Thanks, Stephanie, for your response. I did look at yours and they do look pretty similar. I just talked to my oncologists' nurse and she calmed me down a little. She said just to keep an eye on it. She did tell me the chemo nurse who has brought this to my attention two weeks in a row is quick to jump so not to worry too much. I asked if I should wear a bandage over it and she said if it made me feel better. I worry because it's right where the car seat belt goes across. I do wear one of those soft covers on the seat belt strap and I'm sure that helps. Whew. So much to worry about. Thank you

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited April 2016

    GatorGal, at an auto parts store you can get a clip that will hold the shoulder strap lower.

  • GatorGal
    GatorGal Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2016

    Shetland Pony, Thanks for that tip. I'll get one tomorrow. Never thought of that and I've had the darned port for 5 years! Really appreciate that!

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited April 2016

    You're welcome, GatorGal. You can buy them online, too, at the usual place.

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited October 2016

    Bumping forward for newer member having a port installed soon.

    Lots of good descriptions and photos of different members' experiences here!

    warm healing wishes, Stephanie

  • Lumpie
    Lumpie Member Posts: 1,650
    edited September 2017

    Posting because this thread is full of good info that it may be helpful for others to see .... and I also have a question:

    I got my port yesterday. I am in excruciating pain. It's actually not at the port site. It's in my neck above the port. It's better than last night but still so bad I really can't focus on anything else. I expect some adjustment period but I thought I would ask for feedback from others: did you have really excruciating pain post installation? Especially for those who did, how long did it take to abate? Thanks.

  • blainejennifer
    blainejennifer Member Posts: 1,848
    edited September 2017

    Lumpy,

    That sounds weird, and might be from the end of the port catheter rubbing on something. Have you told your medical team? That sounds like something they might want to know ASAP.

    My port installation felt like I'd been kicked in the chest by a horse. I have been, so it's an easy analogy for me. But, my pain was understandable. Yours is seeming a bit hinky.

    You can call your doc at any time, day or night. There's always someone covering "high value" issues, and pain is always high value.

    Jennifer

  • PattyPeppermint
    PattyPeppermint Member Posts: 11,162
    edited September 2017

    lumpy. I don't remember having any pain but maybe i just forgot. Sounds like a call to whomever put it in is necessary. Easier for them to say it's normal and only lose a couple min on the call then to have some kind of emergency and having to have it done again.


  • Lumpie
    Lumpie Member Posts: 1,650
    edited September 2017

    Thought I would post an update: Medical team was dismissive about my port placement related pain when I just called in. Since I was in "forget-the-chemo-and-shoot-me-now" pain, I went to urgent care. They have decided that I sustained a neck injury in the course of the port installation. :( They loaded me up with I-feel-nothing drugs (which is good IMHO) and we hope that it will resolve with time and TLC. Arg! This is exactly why I didn't get the port before. I know that I have a history of neck trauma, arthritis and sensitivity which makes me susceptible to neck injury. That is my unique situation. Sometimes it seems like the docs can't see past what their "generic" patient should be like. It can be really frustrating! Being your own effective advocate seems to require loads of patience and energy. As long as it gets better, we're all good. I'm trying not to contemplate an alternative. One more bump in a rocky road! Thanks for your concern!

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2017

    Lumpie, such a cluster fuck. I'm an old operating room (dept. ) nurse. The circulating nurse in the operating room along with the physician has the primary responsibility for positioning. Ultimately, it's truly the doc's, but in a case of injury be assured the doc is going to displace or attempt to displace responsibility.

    Create a diary, Record by date. Record all before today under today's date. It's a matter of legal record. From this date forward record daily. Pain level and how it's affected your life. You may never use this record, but it will be your best tool to a settlement if that's where it goes. None of like to think suit. But an injury that could have been avoided, is an injury. The doc's accept responsibility of your care. They are schooled in care. If negligence occurred and care wasn't right. Then we do what we have too. I will link to Pain and Other things. The first page has much on pain and recording.

    Thanks for posting your experience on the PORT thread. I will cut and paste this response back there too. It will take a number of minutes to bring the other link back.

    YES, a diary is the biggest PITA, but it can make a difference

    Hugs, sassy

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/136/topics/839123?page=1


  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited September 2017

    ARG, indeed, lumpie. Glad you got the drugs to numb the pain. It might be a good idea to ask for physical therapy once they have the pain under control. It should not have happened but now you have to be proactive in the healing process. I hurt my neck during a mammogram a few years ago, which radiated pain, tingling and numbness up and down half my body. I had steroids, PT, acupuncture and massages, which together got me back to normal eventually. We are so stiff with the meds we take, they have to be extra gentle with us. 

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