Hormonal Therapy for Postmenopausal HR+, HER2- MBC Patients

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Bestbird
Bestbird Member Posts: 2,818

Recently there have been media announcements about newly approved hormonal therapy drugs and combinations for postmenopausal hormone receptor positive, HER2 negative MBC patients. Sometimes the drugs are newly approved together as a combination; other times they are newly approved for a specific "line" of treatment (i.e. as a first line [initial] therapy, or as a second line therapy after the first line therapy failed).

Due to the volume of new approvals for these drugs in the US, Canada, and Europe, I looked for a website where patients could obtain consolidated, up-to-date information about what hormonal therapies are available to them (by location) and when. After not finding anything even remotely helpful, I took the plunge and pieced it together as best I could. The results are provided below, and this information has also been incorporated in my MBC Guide.

That said, it's possible that I've made an error (especially with regard to approved therapies for patients in Canada in Europe) so it's always best to check with your doctor.

I truly hope that this list will be helpful.

Hugs to all.

The sequence of providing hormonal (endocrine) therapy for postmenopausal patients will vary, as much of it depends upon what - if any - hormonal therapy drugs the patient has previously taken and how recently they were administered. The sequence will also depend upon the country in which the patient resides.

Generally, there is a choice of providing single drugs or a combination of drugs, with combination drugs generally precipitating more side effects. Patients are urged to discuss the various options with their doctor and to verify insurance coverage, since it is possible that some of the combination drug regimens listed below may not yet be covered by insurance.

FOR POSTMENOPAUSAL HORMONE RECEPTOR POSITIVE, HER2 NEGATIVE MBC PATIENTS IN THE US (Updated Nov. 2017):

First line Treatment Options (depending upon what, if any, recent treatments the patient may have had in the adjuvant setting):
* Letrozole alone
* Arimidex alone
* Aromasin alone
* Faslodex alone
* Letrozole and IBRANCE
* Letrozole and Kisqali
* Arimidex and IBRANCE
* Arimidex and Kisqali
* Aromasin and IBRANCE
* Aromasin and Kisqali

Second line Treatment Options (depending upon prior treatment):
* Letrozole alone
* Arimidex alone
* Aromasin alone
* Faslodex alone
* Letrozole and IBRANCE

* Faslodex and Verzenio (Abemaciclib)

* Verzenio (Abemaciclib) Alone (If the patient already underwent hormonal therapy AND chemotherapy that failed)
* Faslodex and IBRANCE
* Aromasin and Afinitor

Third line Treatment Options (depending upon prior treatments):
* Possibly any of the above therapies (although not all combinations are widely used in a third-line setting)
* Tamoxifen or Fareston

Fourth line Treatment Options (depending upon prior treatments):
* Possibly any of the above therapies (although not all combinations are widely used in a fourth-line setting)
* Either Estradiol, Megestrol Acetate (Megace), or Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)

FOR POSTMENOPAUSAL HORMONE RECEPTOR POSITIVE, HER2 NEGATIVE MBC PATIENTS IN CANADA:

First line Treatment Options (depending upon what, if any, recent treatments the patient may have had in the adjuvant setting):
* Letrozole alone
* Arimidex alone
* Aromasin alone
* Letrozole and IBRANCE

Second line Treatment Options (depending upon prior treatment):
* Letrozole alone
* Arimidex alone
* Aromasin alone
* Faslodex alone
* Faslodex and IBRANCE
* Aromasin and Afinitor
(I was unable to locate specific information about approved third and fourth line therapies for Canadian patients, although it is likely that Tamoxifen would be a third line candidate, after which Megace may be a fourth line option ).

FOR POSTMENOPAUSAL HORMONE RECEPTOR POSITIVE, HER2 NEGATIVE MBC PATIENTS IN EUROPE:

First line Treatment Options (depending upon what, if any, recent treatments the patient may have had in the adjuvant setting):
* Letrozole alone
* Arimidex alone
* Aromasin alone
* Faslodex alone
* Letrozole and IBRANCE
* Letrozole and Kisqali
* Arimidex and IBRANCE
* Arimidex and Kisqali
* Aromasin and IBRANCE
* Aromasin and Kisqali

Second line Treatment Options (depending upon prior treatment):
* Letrozole alone
* Arimidex alone
* Aromasin alone
* Faslodex alone
* Faslodex and IBRANCE
* Aromasin and Afinitor
(I was unable to locate specific information about approved third and fourth line therapies for European patients, although it is likely that Tamoxifen would be a third line candidate, after which Megace may be a fourth line option ).

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  • Kandy
    Kandy Member Posts: 1,461
    edited August 2017

    Thanks for getting that together and posting this.

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited September 2017

    According to this European site

    http://www.esmo.org/Guidelines/Breast-Cancer/3rd-ESO-ESMO-International-Consensus-Guidelines-for-Advanced-Breast-Cancer-ABC-3

    Tamoxifen can be used as first line treatment. Tamoxifen can also be used with Afinitor for 2nd line, or any line after 1st, as with the following: AI alone, Tamoxifen alone, fulvestrant+palbociclib, AI+everolimus, fulvestrant alone, megestrol acetate and estradiol.

    In an update, it was recommended that fulvestrant+palbociclib can be used as first line treatment.

  • Bestbird
    Bestbird Member Posts: 2,818
    edited September 2017

    Heidihill, thank you! I've made these excellent updates!

  • Cita
    Cita Member Posts: 9
    edited October 2017

    Hi Bestbird,

    Thanks so much for all the great research you have done. I am ER+/PR-/Her- and have gone through all of the post menopausal options (Anastrozole, Exemestane, Faslodex + Ibrance, Tamoxifen, Xeloda) and none worked for me. Do you have any information of meds that work for Hormone Resistant BC? I thought about starting a thread but thought I would check with you first since you seem to keep up-to-date on everything.

    Thanks,

    Cita

  • pajim
    pajim Member Posts: 2,785
    edited October 2017

    Bestbird, you're the best.

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited October 2017

    Thanks Bestbird and Heidihill!

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited October 2017

    Thanks for this update. I have a question for anyone, looking for an opinion. When I finished TX for stage II I took tamoxifen for about 2 weeks and stopped. 8 yrs later I got Mets and I have been on letrozole, aromasin (alone), ibrance/faslodex. Do you think tamox would work after all the treatments I've had? Just curious. I'm on xeloda now and just thinking of what could be next. I'm thinking abemaciclib or tamox. I refused afinitor because I don't trust that drug and want to avoid it if at all possible.

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited October 2017

    I do know that there are women who become re-sensitized hormonal treatments after chemo. I don't know which one you would do. I believe the "strength" of hormone suppression options is roughly in this order...

    tamoxifen (intereferes with hormone receptor)

    letrozol - eliminates estrogen from the body

    faslodex - destroys the receptor itself.

    Whether interfering with the hormone receptor or eliminating estrogen is "stronger" can be debated; however, faslodex is generally considered the strongest.

    One form of resistance to hormone therapy occurs when the estrogen receptor evolves to be always on ... IOW it doesn't need estrogen to be activated. Faslodex defeats that by destroying the receptor itself. Then the cancer eventually figures out how to grow and multiply by another pathway... a second form of resistance to hormone suppression.

    Since you have been on Xeloda for a while, I believe there is a shot that you have been re-sensitized to hormone therapy. It would be interesting to know if you have the ESRI mutation. The question is where you need to interfere with that pathway know.

    Z

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited October 2017

    Thanks for that interesting info Z. I have never had a bx or any kind of testing other than the original tumor. At the time they er/pr and her2 and pretty much nothing else, so I'm limited in my knowledge of anything about this cancer now. I am only on my 2nd cycle of X and not finding it very enjoyable. I've been saving the info when I see it about guardant and foundation 1 and blood biopsies. Onc seemed to think it was not time for that yet and that ins would not pay, although I see a lot of people are getting these tests. He did recently refer to my cancer as luminal A, but that was not on my path report way back when. Again thank you. I'm curoius about your latest TX but I will go look through your recent posts to see the latest!

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited October 2017

    HLB, I don't know about abemaciclib but the problem with tamox is that it does not work well for about a third of ER+ women, mostly because it is not metabolized by the liver into endoxifen which is 100 times more potent than tamox itself. I am an ultrarapid metabolizer and have had my endoxifen levels tested and they are good at just the low dosage of tamox I take.

    https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2017/endoxifen-breast-cancer-NCI-support

    There are clinical trials for endoxifen and in one of the Phase I trials, the results were encouraging with anti-tumor activity in women whose tumors had progressed on tamoxifen, aromatase inhibitors, and fulvestrant (Faslodex®).

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited October 2017

    thanks Heidi, that's interesting info I had no idea of. I have no idea how well tamox would have worked had I taken it. I didn't like the se and didn't see the point since I thought I was cured. The Mets appeared 8 years later, so with no treatment in between I guess that wasn't too bad. There's so many things to research, very confusing. I wish I coukd just ignore all of it and let the onc decide everything but we all know that's not usually the best way.

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited October 2017

    HLB, Haha you and me both on the research attitude. I am already so overwhelmed with this and life in general I find it very hard to sit down and immerse myself in the research. it is very confusing, in depth and sometimes contradictory! However, the longer I go along the more determined I am to try and keep up, as I find it really is up to us to advocate, ask the questions and sometimes enlighten the Dr's! I am so appreciative of the super intelligent women here who share theirs knowledge, experience and insight.

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited October 2017

    There are some readily available tests that evaluate how well you metabolize tamoxifen. Ask for a pharmacogenomics test for tamoxifen if you want to go that route. Very important.

    Z

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited November 2017

    thanks Z! Screen shotted tthat post.

    Artist what I tend to do is spend so much time that it drives me crazy, then I stop and don't look up anything for sometimes a year. Usually I start up again when I have to change meds!

  • Bestbird
    Bestbird Member Posts: 2,818
    edited November 2017

    Cita, fourth line hormonal therapies for hormonal therapy resistant mbc include

    Fourth line Treatment Options (depending upon prior treatments):
    * Possibly any of the above therapies (although not all combinations are widely used in a fourth-line setting)
    * Either Estradiol, Megestrol Acetate (Megace), or Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)

    You (and others) are welcome to request a complimentary copy of the 144 page booklet by visiting the top of this page:https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/831507?page=3#idx_73

  • Bestbird
    Bestbird Member Posts: 2,818
    edited November 2017

    Below is an excerpt about Tamoxifen sensitivity from my MBC Guide, which everyone is welcome to order free of charge by visiting https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/831507?page=3#idx_73

      • Tamoxifen and CYP2D6 Resistance Testing:Some patients do not respond to Tamoxifen, and there is a "CYP2D6 Test" that can potentially identify these patients. However, there has been reluctance to routinely use this test due to inconsistency of the data supporting it, and two recent analyses of large Clinical Trial data concluded that CYP2D6 testing did not predict Tamoxifen effectiveness.But a new study (done on early stage breast cancer patients) suggests that CYP2D6 might indeed predict ineffectiveness. The results show that after 5 years of taking Tamoxifen, breast cancer patients with genetic alterations of CYP2D6 who are considered to be poor metabolizers of Tamoxifen experienced disease recurrence or died at a rate that was 2.5 times higher than women with normal CYP2D6 enzyme activity.In addition, women with intermediate levels of the CYP2D6 enzyme had rates of recurrence or death that were 1.7 times higher than those with normal CYP2D6 activity. However, these genetic alterations in CYP2D6 did not affect the likelihood of recurrence or death in patients who switched to Arimidex following 2 years of Tamoxifen therapy. In fact, for the women who switched to Arimidex, there was a tendency towards a reduction in the odds of reduction for a recurrence.From: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/776933
      That said, another article indicates that CYP2D6 testing may be flawed overall when tumor tissue (instead of healthy tissue) is used for sampling: Two large Clinical Trials found no link between the CYP2D6 genotype and Tamoxifen effectiveness, prompting recommendations against testing. But in a Mayo Clinic study, researchers found that previous studies which had used tumor tissue instead of healthy tissue to determine the CYP2D6 genotype, could lead to a distortion of the patient's CYP2D6 genotype.These researchers showed that there was perfect agreement between CYP2D6 genotypes derived from healthy tissue. In contrast, 20% of the CYP2D6 genotypes were misclassified when tumor (not healthy) tissue was used. From: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/286786.phpNote: Patients with hormone receptor positive Invasive Lobular breast cancer (ILC) may derive more benefit from Aromatase Inhibitors than from Tamoxifen.From: http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/early/2016/03/23/JCO.2015.66.3872
  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited November 2017

    HapB,

    Because both letrozole and aromasin are both aromatase inhibitors (AI), they are nearly functionally equivalent. They block the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen. They should produce the same desired results, lowered estrogen levels, and similar side effects, that of low estrogen (hot flashes, joint pain, bone loss, cognitive changes, etc.) That said, some patients do experience different side effects from one AI vs the other. Some women may get better results from one vs the other. As an aside, my wife's oncologist stated that some of the side effects of aromatase inhibitors lessen over time. Some we know will only get worse, like bone density loss.

    As for aromasin being steroidal in form, that is more a structural description, than anything. Steroids are compounds with a certain basic four ring structure, but that doesn't make them in any way functionally similar. Estrogen, testosterone, prednisone and cholesterol for example are all steroids. Vastly different in function, only slightly different in form. What I'm getting at is that even though aromasin is a steroid, it will not produce "roid rage" or other psychological effects that other steroids (male androgens) may. I certainly wouldn't shy away from it if it is recommended for that reason alone (being a steroid).

    On the subject of generics, I wouldn't hesitate to use a generic, if it comes from a trusted source. Here in Canada, generics dominate when they are available (off patent for instance).

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