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  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2017

    DD Taxol #3 is done! Very uneventful. I haven't had as much fatigue with taxol as I did with AC. I'm anemic, and my RBC counts drop a little with this infusion, but I don't feel as tired. I do have some neuropathy in my hands and feet, but it is pretty mild, and I'm hopeful that it will eventually go away. My hair seems to be growing back, but my eyebrows are almost gone. I find it strange that my eyebrows came out around the same time as my hair started growing back. I am super excited that two weeks from now I will be completely DONE with chemo!

    BJI, the nurses had trouble with my port at my second infusion, but no other time. They didn't remove the needle and re-access though...they just kept flushing and trying again. I think the first nurse tried three times, then moved me to an exam room and had me lie down. She tried again, then another nurse stepped in, and she got it on her second try. That's the only time I've had trouble. They said some ports can be positional, and that's why they had me lie down. I've convinced myself it was because I slept on my right side the night before, and I haven't done that since. After four sticks, I'm not surprised your port site is sore!

    Msrobin, how did things go for you today?

  • BCFighter2017
    BCFighter2017 Member Posts: 45
    edited August 2017

    Yesterday i had my Last DD taxol and Done with chemo yaayyyyy ....now to surgery that is scheduled for 5th sept
    Again my WBC were high so i didn't get nuelasta this time , hopefully this will ease the joint pains.
    I do get itching in my hands on and off ( neuropathy) but it manageable.I feel sensitivity in bottom of my feet hoping it will go away now.
    My eyebrows have really thinned out . I can't wait to get my hair growth back , tired of being bald for last 3 months.
    I had MRI before my last chemo and it seems chemo worked and shrunk my tumor more than half from 3.7 to 1.4 . I will be going for lumpectomy with auxiliary node dissection.
    All in all with God's blessings was able to complete Chemo and now fingers crossed for Surgery.
    I wish everyone the very best , hope everyone is done with there treatment soon and start feeling normal :-)

  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2017

    Congrats BCFighter!

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2017

    YAY, BCFighter! Good for you! And great news from the MRI!

    Like you, I'm having neo adjuvant chemo but won't have my final infusion until Sept 28. Meanwhile I'm trying to plan my calendar for late October/early November without input from my surgeon, who I suspect I won't see again until closer to end of chemo.

    So my question is for those of you on this thread who have already had surgery - a lumpectomy with node removal (my biopsy was positive for at least one node): what was your recovery period like- from the day of surgery on? What were limitations ofpain, movement, wound care? Did you need assistance at home? Were you able to care for young children and pets?

    I'm trying to plan ahead but it's very difficult when each of my doctors treats me separately. I haven't been referred to a Radiation Oncologist yet and guess that won't happen until after surgery! It's been very much one step at a time, one doctor at a time, and frustrating for a "planner" like me!

    Thanks for any insight and personal experiences you can provide. I'm glad to have you all to reach out to as we make our way through BC. ❤️

  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2017

    notanisland, are you having an axillary node dissection or a seninel node biopsy? I had both, and the biopsy wasn't too bad. The dissections was a longer recovery because it involved a drain. I live alone most of the time ( my fiancé works out of town) and I think he was home with me for three days after each surgery. I could have used help for another day or two after the dissection, but it was manageable

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2017

    Thanks lovepugs, I don't even know! The only time I saw my surgeon was for a preliminary exam, scheduling of CT and Bone Scan, and referral to a medical oncologist (who I am happy with) for chemotherapy prior to surgery. My surgeon is very much pro-breast conservation and favors lumpectomies, but we didn't discuss the type of lymph node removal. I assumed this would be decided later, after the results of the neo adjuvant chemo were known. At least now I have a question to ask. Thanks for your quick response!

  • Nurseinboots
    Nurseinboots Member Posts: 19
    edited August 2017

    Hey everyone... Hope you're doing well. I finished up my 4 rounds of q 28 day Doxil and carboplatin. The masses shrank, and I got a little smarter about managing the GI SEs. I still bought the mx for some time next month, with Taxol and rads to follow.

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2017

    HapB, thanks for your feedback. Gives me hope that I can manage well too! Just Tylenol? You're my hero

    Nurseinboots, best wishes as you move on to Taxol. Everyone's different but I'm finding the only SE to be a day, sometimes a day and 1/2 of fatigue. Numbness in my right thumb that we're keeping an eye on. Not much else. Good luck to you!

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited August 2017

    Taxol #2 was uneventful. I'm not very happy with the zombie state I get into from the Benadryl. I could barely keep my head up, yet it also gave me restless legs, so instead of sleeping, I just remained in a fog throughout the day. The fog lifts in the evening and then the steroids kick in and I'm awake all night. It's quite a turnabout in one day! I finally fell asleep around 5 but woke up at 8. It's happened both times, so next time I'm not even going to attempt getting into bed until much later, to cut down on frustration.

    Saturday was a good day, did a lot of housework, got some groceries, went to a church picnic, then to see a friend perform at the local bar. Sunday was the complete opposite, I was tired, cranky, and sore all day. Looks like Sunday is going to be my low point each week. Feeling slightly more perky today. Last week I felt pretty well on Tuesday and Wednesday leading back into Thursday treatment day.

    Because my AC treatments were so rough on me, I've been feeling a decided lack of stamina. I took a chair yoga class at the cancer center, and found it to be a great way to ease back into moving my body again. I may be 59 years old, but I was definitely the youngest one in the class! But I was still feeling weak enough that I didn't want to tip over. LOL It was actually the perfect starting point, and a surprisingly good stretch. I've been practicing the moves on my own at home, plus adding some short walks around the block. It wasn't too long ago that I'd walk 3 miles a day, but this is a start. I plan to continue going to the chair yoga and will add their gentle yoga class as I progress.

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited August 2017

    BJI, I haven't had any trouble with my port access, but sounds like it could yet happen. I'm with you, sounds like that particular nurse isn't quite as comfortable with it, especially when the other got right to it.

    Lovepugs77, only two more weeks till your chemo is done! Woohoo! My eyebrows and lashes fell out after my fourth AC. They say my head hair will start to grow back during Taxol but it will be hard to tell. I've had some stubble all along, especially around the edges. I'm starting to look wistfully at women with hair. I'm also noticing how frequently my friends complain about their hair! I chuckled along and reminded them of my own situation. Perhaps they were grateful for their troublesome hair after that.

    BCFighter2017, congratulations on completing chemo! Is there a bell to ring like at my center? I saw them taking pictures and videos, and just generally celebrating the event. Good luck with your surgery. I had my lumpectomy with sentinel node removal before chemo.

    notanisland, I had lumpectomy with reconstruction and two sentinel nodes removed, which were clear. But I did have a drain for several weeks. I found it difficult to bathe at first, tubes, drains, dressing, etc. Hubby was a lot of help in that regard. You'll be uncomfortable and you won't be able to lift or carry. It wasn't miserable by any means, but give yourself some slack.

    NurseinBoots, good news that the masses shrank! Good luck with Taxol. It's not a picnic, but definitely easier than the AC.



  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited August 2017

    Well ladies, I must admit that I had my hopes up too high for Taxol. I'm Im really disappointed to find out that my taste buds seem worse than before! Everything tastes flat, or nasty. The difference is that I do get hungry, but trying to eat food that tastes bad is a losing battle. I was worried about gaining weight back since I have more appetite, but I usually give up eating quickly. Darn it!

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited August 2017

    msrobin58- with Taxol my taste buds are only flat for a couple of days and then bounce back.

    Hope you have similar results.

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2017

    msrobin, I'm not sure when it happened, but over the past 5 weeks of Taxol, my sense of taste (to salt and savory) has returned. Not exactly as it was before AC, but so much better than it was during AC. Now when I look at a plate of food and have an expectation of what it will taste like, it's at least close to what I remember! Not cardboard! Give it some time.

    But now I have another problem to deal with. In prep for my annual physical tomorrow, I had labs done last week. My cholesterol and triglycerides are higher than they have ever been before! I'm sure it has to do with making poor dietary choices when I couldn't taste anything but sweet, and not being diligent about exercise. I'm expecting a lecture from my PCP. BC treatment isn't an excuse for letting my basic health go! I think I need a nutritionist

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited August 2017

    notanisland- steroids can affect some of your numbers like blood sugar and pressure in your rur

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2017

    You're right, DodgersGirl, my blood glucose was also slightly elevated, so my oncology nurse practitioner is considering lowering my steroid pre-med dosage, which I don't seem to need anyway. I wish I could blame the high cholesterol and triglyceride numbers on the steroids too, but I'm told that's more on me - too much carbs and sugars and too little exercise. I've lost about 15 lbs since diagnosis and thought that might keep my numbers down. Obviously not enough to be eating and drinking anything that tasted good to me - like seasoned crackers, cereals, eggs and fruit juices that I limited pre-chemo. I'd like to get this back under control before surgery.

  • BJI
    BJI Member Posts: 154
    edited August 2017

    Getting #12 taxol this morning, start herceptin only next week. Will be nice to go every 3 weeks instead of weekly. Finished with another leg of this journey!


  • l_brain
    l_brain Member Posts: 71
    edited August 2017

    Congrats BJI!!

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2017

    On my way to Taxol treatment #7. Hope the remaining treatments go by faster than the SEs accumulate! In the past week I've had only 2.5 days of normal energy and no muscle aches. A huge difference in what I experienced during AC and earlier Taxol treatments.

    Hope you are all doing well.

  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2017

    Hi everyone! Just checking in to say that I am DONE with chemo! DD Taxol #4 was today!

    I have some neuropathy, and one of my toenails is sore, has black stripes, and seems to be lifting. I have a dermatologist appointment on Monday, and am on antibiotics for ten days to ward off any infection that may be brewing. Other than that, I feel good, and am SO glad to be finished with chemo. On to radiation! Estimated start date - September 21.

    notanisland, you are over halfway done with Taxol! That's exciting!

    Hope everyone here is doing well.

  • Littlemouse
    Littlemouse Member Posts: 6
    edited August 2017

    Hi there!!

    I just joined this website and I saw your in Maryland!! Me too! 😉I've been thru chemo, surgery and radiation so I can help answer any questions for you!

    The main thing is get yourself a great oncologist!!

  • Littlemouse
    Littlemouse Member Posts: 6
    edited August 2017

    my message was for Parakeets rule from Md!!

  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2017

    Littlemouse, we haven't seen Parakeetsrule in a very long time. If you click on her name and go to her profile page, there is an option to send her a private message. I know when people send me private messages, I get an email notification, so if hers is set up the same way, that might get her attention.

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2017

    Lovepugs, Congratulations on finishing DD Taxol! What a feat! You must feel great!

    I also have a toenail and an index fingernail that are separating from their nail beds. I'm keeping the nails trimmed and careful that nothing gets caught under the lifted nail. Using Kerydin 5% Topical Solution to prevent fungal infection. Kerydin is very expensive, but my dermatologist gave me a form to send to PharmaDerm and I pay nothing!

    Today's Taxol #7 went smoothly, as usual. But my oncology nurse practitioner was very concerned that I am experiencing more tiredness, neuropathy (numbness in some of my fingers and toes) and aches (especially in my legs). I've been reassuring myself because the increased SEs haven't been constant, they still tend to come and go in intensity. Guess I've been in denial because she said if they increase over the next week she may decide to postpone Taxol #8 next Thursday to give me a break from chemo and some time to recover. I don't want to postpone treatment, but on the other hand I don't want to have permanent neuropathy.

    Thanks much for your words of encouragement! And it's just as motivational to hear of your success - I'm so very happy for you!

    Welcome, Littlemouse! Thank you for your offer of advice - I'll be asking questions re: surgery and radiation therapy, very soon! And I do like my oncologist. (Your advice on getting yourself a great oncologist reminded me of something - I used to work in a non-clinical area of a medical center and would ask the OR nurses about who they thought the best surgeons were. They would tell me, "Never mind the surgeon, the main thing is to get yourself a great anesthesiologist!"

    Hope all the ladies on this thread are doing well. Stay in touch!

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited August 2017

    Hi ladies! Thought I'd touch base. My Taxol #3 was postponed a week due to low counts and a slight fever. I thought I had left that behind with my AC treatments! But I was a go for this past Thursday and moving forward again. 3 down, 9 to go.

    We're on the road this morning, my first attempt at travel since February. It's birthday party time for two of the three grandkids up in Detroit, then tomorrow morning we're having brunch with the kids and my siblings, then we're driving over to my little beachy hometown on the west coast of Michigan for a few days. I'm tickled! I realize that I may get tired and achy this weekend, but I'll just deal with it. These activities will do me a world of good!

    Hope everyone is doing well!

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited September 2017

    Had such a great time on my trip, and discovered I'm more capable than I thought. Yes, I tired quicker, but I'd just sit and rest for awhile before taking off again for more fun. Seeing the grandkids did me so much good! And they never said a word about my hats and scarves, even though I had a little speech prepared. Visited with the inlaws and my siblings too. It wore me out, but was so worth it.

    Drove over to my beachy hometown on Sunday, which is my most tired and achy day. But the three hour drive allowed me to rest and nap. Made it down to the beach and lighthouse in time for sunset. Hubby was worried about me climbing around on the sand dunes taking pictures, but it's what I love to do. Plus I discovered that my achy joints actually felt better moving around, so we even walked all the way out to the end of the pier.

    The next few days I just dragged hubby back and forth to my favorite stores, beaches, and restaurants while taking lots of pictures. Saw my bestie a few times, and I thought she was going to squeeze the stuffing out of me! I even indulged myself at the spa with a mani pedi.

    Back at it today with Taxol #4. 8 more to go. Not quite as groggy this time, guess I'm getting used to the Benadryl. But here it is two am, and the steroids have me wide awake. Oh well, I enjoy the energy boost I'll have tomorrow. I'd say the most bothersome part so far is the way food tastes like cardboard, and my achy weekends. Nausea has not been an issue, THANK GOODNESS, but my appetite isn't all there. Still losing weight, but at a much more reasonable rate. 32 lbs. so far. I'm starting to have to buy some smaller sizes, because nothing says cancer patient than a woman wearing hats and droopy clothing.

    Quiet group lately, are you ladies still out there?

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited September 2017

    Still here, MsRobin! Your trip sounds wonderful! Isn't it great to find out how much more we're capable of doing - especially when it's what we enjoy most? I'm sure it did you tons of good to see family and friends, return to your hometown and enjoy the outdoors. And you're absolutely right - the exercise helps

    Today was Taxol 8 for me. I thought that my increased neuropathy (numbness in my right thumb and index finger, the bottoms of both feet and aches in my legs) might keep me from being cleared for chemo, but I was pleasantly surprised. Only 4 more treatments to go! But the possibility of delay remains. I'm okay with it. It might do me some good to have an extra week for recovery.

    We're getting there! Want to wish you and all the BCO ladies who have helped me get to this point - was it just 4 months ago that I was walked into my first chemo treatment armed with the information and advice you all shared. Have a very Happy Labor Day weekend. I hope you are all doing well - please keep in touch!




  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited September 2017

    Another treatment delay this week, due to low blood count. I thought I had left this nonsense behind with the AC portion of my treatments. It's very discouraging, because it feels like I'm never going to finish all this. It's really dragging on interminably. This time I was given Granix injections to help boost those counts. And the bone aches from it are really bad. Just trying to keep it at bay with Tylenol.

    notanisland, you've got 8 doses behind you already! Won't be too much longer and it will be behind you.

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited September 2017

    MsRobin, Don't feel alone. This past Thursday my MO and NP decided that I should delay Taxol 9 by at least a week. My side effects have escalated so that the numbness and prickliness in my fingers and feet are constant, and particularly bad on Days 3 & 4. Plus, body aches and fatigue now extend from Saturday afternoon through Monday night (Days 3,4 & 5). When they learned that I can't use the keyboard to type on the weekends and that my legs ache and feel weak, they said it was time to take a break to hopefully "dial back" the SEs. I had to accept their decision and admit that as much as I'd like to finish chemo, I also want to know that the neuropathy is not permanent!

    There is a possibility that I will be told no chemo again on Thursday 9/14. And my NP has already mentioned that if there is not significant improvement in SEs they will weigh the pros of completing the 4 remaining Taxol treatments vs the cons of increasing side effects. By physical exam she estimates that the 4 cm tumor (left) is now between 1 and 2 cm (difficult to tell because of its irregular shape) and that there is less swelling/inflammation under my left arm. My surgery will take place 3-4 weeks following chemotherapy (whenever that may be), and while my surgeon would prefer that I have the maximum benefits of 4 DD AC & 12 Taxol treatments, I think any reduction in the cancer will be considered a positive.

    I understand your disappointment, MsRobin. I wasn't expecting to be so affected by Taxol either. The delays mean we are in a cruel kind of limbo - not knowing when we will be done with chemo and able to move on to the next step in our treatments and recovery. But we mustn't let ourselves be discouraged. The aches and fatigue are hard, the delays are frustrating, but they too shall pass. We will get through this!

  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited September 2017

    I had a rough time with Taxol, too. I did dose dense, and finished two weeks ago, but am still dealing with side effects. I'm not sure if it was harder than AC for me, but it wasn't the cakewalk I was expecting.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited September 2017

    8/16/17 was last Taxol for me and still waiting for SE's to go away. Sigh

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