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kmb4
kmb4 Member Posts: 41
edited August 2017 in Just Diagnosed

Hi Everyone,

I found out this week that I have invasive ductal carcinoma grade 2. this started back in october of 2014 when they found some calcification's. they were biopsied twice, then had 2 MRI's and nuclear dye tests and finally the surgeon released me. I went back in for my 6 month mammo to get me back to my yearly and they found new calcification's. that was in November 2016. They said come back in 6 months and that was in June when they biopsied the area and it was cancer. This is not the same area of my first biopsy it is in a different area. I just turned 60 yrs old last month. I have a Dr appt tomorrow afternoon to discuss this. I have already seen the biopsy path results. some things that were on there are ER+ and PR+.I don't even know where to start for questions to ask. I did look at the questions in here to ask and a lot of them seem to be for after surgerical removal. So far the only questions I have written down are

1. grade 2- between slow and fast growing and prognosis is between good and bad. - is this considered to be aggressive?

2. HER2 - was sent for FISH test as it was 2+. How long before results are in

3. I have 2 grown daughters should they be tested for the gene?

4. my son is getting married in September ( 9 weeks away) - can I wait for treatment or should I do it now?

5- is double mastectomy possible? (cancer only in one breast)

does anyone here have questions that I should ask at this first appt? My brain is just on overload and I can't even think anymore

Here is my path report from the biopsy

Source:
A: Left breast with calcifications, 3 cores, B4, 1:00 position, needle core
biopsies
B: Left breast without calcifications, 3 cores, B4, 1:00 position, needle core
biopsies

Clinical History/Pre-Op
Abnormal mammogram (R92.8)

Gross Description
A) Received in a container labeled left breast A are three, 0.7-3.5 x 0.3 cm in
greatest dimensions cylindrically shaped portions of tissue. The entire
specimen is submitted in one cassette.

B) Received in a container labeled left breast B are three, 0.3-3.3 x 0.3 cm in
greatest dimensions cylindrically shaped portions of tissue. The entire
specimen is submitted in one cassette.

AI/ps

Diagnosis
A) Breast, left 1:00 position with calcifications, needle biopsy:
INVASIVE DUCTAL CARCINOMA. SEE COMMENT.

Histologic type: Invasive ductal carcinoma.
Nottingham grade: Grade 2 (Nottingham score 6 of 9; tubules: 2, nuclei: 3,
mitoses: 1).
Ductal carcinoma in-situ: Present.
Calcifications: Present.
ER status: Positive (strong staining in 75-90% of tumor).
PR status: Positive (focal weak staining in 1-5% of tumor).
HER2 status: Equivocal (score 2+). This case will be sent for Her2 Neu by
FISH.

B) Breast, left 1:00 position without calcifications, needle biopsy:
INVASIVE DUCTAL CARCINOMA. SEE COMMENT.

Histologic type: Invasive ductal carcinoma.
Nottingham grade: Grade 2 (Nottingham score 6 of 9; tubules: 2, nuclei: 3,
mitoses: 1).
Ductal carcinoma in-situ: Present.
Calcifications: Not identified.
NOTE: Immunopathology for estrogen and progesterone receptors is done on
formalin fixed paraffin embedded tissue using antibodies to ER protein (SP1), PR
protein (1E2), and UltraView DAB Detection Kit is used. In evaluating steroid
hormone receptor only nuclear staining is considered positive. Greater than 1%
tumor staining is required for a positive result. Tissue fixation was within the
recommended guidelines of 6-72 hours. These antibodies were not validated on
decalcified specimens.

NOTE: Immunopathology for Her-2/Neu is done on paraffin embedded tissue fixed
in formalin using the clone 4B5 and UltraView DAB Detection Kit is used. Only
continuous membrane staining is considered. Greater than 10% tumor staining
with an intensity of at least 3+ is required for a positive result. All 2+
greater than 10% staining and 3+ less than 10% staining is considered equivocal.
0, 1+, and<10% 2+ staining is negative. Tissue fixation was within the
recommended guidelines of 6-72 hours. This antibody was not validated on
decalcified specimens.

KB



Comments

  • Mucki1991
    Mucki1991 Member Posts: 294
    edited July 2017

    How large is the tumor ?

    Am I a candidate for a lumpectomy ? Mastectomy needs much more recovery time.

    Many people put off treatment for various reasons.

    Sorry you find yourself here you have time to do research seek second options and make choices that work for you

    Best of luck to you

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited July 2017

    So sorry you have been diagnosed. It is a lot to take in. If someone can go with you to the appointment to take notes it would help or take notes yourself.

    I had double mastectomy even though only one breast involved. I would have been fine in a couple of weeks to attend a wedding but you will have to ask the surgeon about timeline and surgery planned before you can decide. I think they usually wait about 4 weeks after surgery to start chemo unless your chemo is happening before surgery. Some people breeze through chemo and others have side effects but if you time it right. Chemo is often done 3 weeks apart and there are times in those 3 weeks when side effects are minimal.

    It would help if you enter your information from your pathology report in the profile to get more answers here.

    I was 66 at diagnosis and was told that if it was genetic I (or one of my sisters) would have had breast cancer at a younger age. One sister paid to have genetic testing done anyway and she was negative. My daughter didn't qualify because of my age. I would ask your doctor what they think about that.Hopefully someone with more knowledge will be along. It is quiet here at night so you will get more answers tomorrow.

    Wishing for a smooth ride for you or as smooth as it can be. Take care of yourself.

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited July 2017

    I'm sorry you're here, too.

    I had a list of questions for my BS, but she answered most of them with her whole spiel. There was time to stop and ask along the way. And more questions always seem to come up.

    1 - Grade 2 is "medium" for aggression.

    2 - HER2 results are usually in a few days to a week after initial biopsy results.

    3 - Genetic testing is generally done first on the patient with the cancer.

    4 - Timing for treatment varies a lot, but generally sooner is better to get started.

    5 - A double mastectomy is available (although mostly not recommended). Patients have different reasons for choosing to have it done.

    Hopefully you'll have a plan in place soon. Good luck!


  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited July 2017

    kmb4, sorry you found yourself here. I would suggest taking a trusted person with you to your first appts to help take notes, etc. Do you have a family history of BC? Your MO may order a BRCA genetic test. Men can carry the gene as well. My biopsy showed a Grade 3, but surgical pathology Grade 2. There will more than likely be more testing before a treatment plan is in place. I'm not sure of recovery time for a BMX, but if you do chemo, there is a guideline that chemo should start within so many weeks of surgery to be most effective...I can't remember what it is. You will probably feel like you are on a roller coaster ride, if you don't already. Hold on tight and don't forget to BREATHE! Gather all information necessary to make informed decisions. Best wishes.

  • kmb4
    kmb4 Member Posts: 41
    edited July 2017

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this. Am I supposed to just keep adding to my original post or start a new one. I thought I read somewhere to keep add so that is what I am doing this time. . As you probably know my days have been spent talking to doctors and reading. I talked to my General Surgeon and his recommendation was a mastectomy on the side with the cancer and then keep the other breast. He feels we caught this early so fingers crossed that no lymph nodes are involved. I have decided to have both breasts taken off. I know my surgeon is going to have a melt down when he hears this but in the end it's really my decision. I saw the plastic surgeon today. I do want to add a little bit to my size since I am really lopsided right now. my left is the bigger of the two and is probably a small B where my right is more like an A. The cancer is in the bigger boob. So I am looking at a mastectomy with reconstruction. This could happen as early as next week. My plastic surgeon is going on vacation and if they can't do it next week I have to wait till the end of the month. I really do not want to do that. My Her2 test came back negative which I think is a good thing. so that is where I stand right now. The surgeons are going to talk and then I will know more.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited August 2017

    The most significantly encouraging factor in your Nottingham Score (which determines grade 1, 2, or 3) is that your cells tested “1" for mitosis—which means they are slow-growing. You don't know your stage yet, because that depends on the tumor's actual size (which can't be determined until it's removed) and degree of nodal involvement (which you don't know till your nodes are biopsied). Sentinel node biopsy is the standard: a dye and/or radioactive tracer are injected shortly before surgery, and the first node(s) between your tumor and your armpit that stain blue or “light up" with the tracer are removed and biopsied to determine if they contain tumor cells. Your stage and tumor biology will determine whether: you will likely not need chemo (the risks would outweigh a small if any benefit); you will likely need chemo (and despite the “good factors” of a high ER percentage and negative HER2, a low percentage of PR staining indicates a slightly more aggressive tumor than one with a high percentage of staining of progesterone receptors); or you fall into a “gray area," either because of a tumor >1cm, weak hormone-receptor staining, grade 2 or 3, and 1-3 positive nodes. It is that “gray area" for which the Oncotype DX test is ordered—a score of 17 or less indicates that chemo's benefits would be too small—when added to hormone (endocrine) therapy—to be worth the risk. You might want to ask your surgeon if you have large enough tissue samples to do an OncotypeDX now (based on your tumor being only weakly PR+). OncotypeDX is an example of “genomic" testing, which tests the genes of the tumor, not those of the patient. Because of my tumor’s size (1.3 cm) and grade 2, I was in that “gray area” so my tumor was Oncotype-tested. It scored a 16, so chemo was not recommended (especially at age 64).

    Genetic testing? What's your family history of breast, reproductive, stomach, colon, pancreatic and melanoma cancers? (What “degree" of relative—first or second is concerning). And what's your ethnicity? I have no family history of those cancers on either side, so I didn't think it important to mention my Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry (both sides) to my surgeon. In the interim between my lumpectomy and seeing my MO for the first time, I read in Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book that regardless of family history, if an Ashkenazi Jewish patient (or a patient of other ethnicities with low rates of intermarriage in which certain mutations are more common) has a breast cancer diagnosis, genetic testing is recommended, maybe even imperative. I told my MO, so she immediately ordered genetic counseling—a prerequisite by insurers before testing. I tested negative for the known mutations, so none of my first or second-degree relatives needed to be tested.

    Because your tumors are multifocal (more than one) and there is also DCIS present, your surgeon's recommendation of a unilateral mastectomy with or without reconstruction is a sound one. But whether to get a bilateral mastectomy (BMX) is strictly up to you. If you do test positive for mutations in your BRCA-1 or 2, PALB-2 or Chek-2 genes, then a BMX is the prudent way to go because you would be at greater risk of contralateral (other breast) bc. And it's usually (but not always) easier to achieve symmetry when both breasts are reconstructed rather than just one (and augmenting the “normal" smaller one to match). But MX is forever, so think long and hard about removing a healthy breast that is not dense and not at genetic risk. Yes, most women who choose MX can avoid radiation—but usually not if cancer is found in the nodes or close to the chest wall. No breasts=no more mammograms, and some women find followup mammos very stressful. So if “peace of mind" is a motivating factor, be aware that though the odds of achieving it via BMX, it's never guaranteed.

  • kmb4
    kmb4 Member Posts: 41
    edited August 2017

    hi chisandy

    thank you so much for your response. you gave me so much good information. I have thought long and hard about my decision and feel good about it. I know my GS will not agree but in the end it is my body and my choice. although I do not have a large family history of breast cancer in my family we do have cancer in the family. My dads father died of colon cancer. My dad has had prostate cancer, cancer of the tongue, and also skin cancer. I have 2 cousins one from each side that have had breast cancer. both my breasts are very dense and I have always been told that put me at a higher risk. thanks again for your help it is really appreciated

  • kmb4
    kmb4 Member Posts: 41
    edited August 2017

    thanks everyone for all your information. It is appreciated. Still waiting to hear from the doctor as to when they are going to do the surgery. I just want it over

  • Keepinthefaith
    Keepinthefaith Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2017

    Just diagnosed on Monday. Still not many tears. More anxiety and shaking uncontrollably at times. Really scared. Had my first mammogram 3weeks ago and my 41st Birthday. 2 mammograms, an ultrasound, biopsy, and a diagnosis, I'm exhausted and scared. I feel like I'm stuck in a breast cancer tornado with no good options. My life will never be the same. Next week I meet with the surgeon where some major life decisions have to be made.

    IM trying to stay strong. I know this is a great place for all to help and support others and I'm glad I found this community.

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited August 2017

    Keep - I'm so sorry. I know it's hard. There's no way around the fear. Educating yourself helps - to a point. Even that can be anxiety provoking if on overdrive.

    Take a big breath. IDC of 1 cm, Grade 1, HER2 negative, hormone positive - those are all encouraging in a highly treatable way. In some ways, you're right - your life will never be the same. But in lots of ways - you'll get back there. It takes time.

    Gather opinions. Seek experts. Surround yourself with support. And keep moving forward. You can do this! And it's okay to sometimes feel like you can't.


  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited August 2017

    Hi Keepinthefaith-

    We're so sorry you find yourself here, but we're glad you've joined us. You've come to the right place for support as you begin down this road. All of the emotions you described are totally normal, it really is a roller coaster! If you have any questions or concerns about what will be happening in the coming weeks and months, this is a good place to start: https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/5/topics/...

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