Proton Radiation
I'm finishing chemo next month and will be having surgery - hopefully lumpectomy - after that. I'm very nervous about radiation, but understand that it's necessary to get similar results to mastectomy.
My first hope was for partial breast irradiation, but I've been told I can't do that because of having chemo - even though the chemo was specifically for HER2 positive status and not extensive cancer.
Now I'm looking at proton radiation as opposed to photon or regular radiation. From what I've found online - it has similar results with perhaps less SE's.
Can anyone tell me their experiences? Number of treatments? SE's felt? Did you get multiple RO consults?
Thanks
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Hello, NVB. I don't quite understand. Is it the case that the doctors advised against partial breast radiation because the cancer is aggressive, and that is why they advised both chemo and whole breast radiation? As far as I know, proton therapy is given as partial breast radiation (unless something has changed since I looked into it). I was told that as such, proton radiation affects a smaller area, but the skin effects in that area are very similar to photon radiation. (In my case I ultimately chose the usual whole breast radiation because there wasn't enough data showing that partial was safe for ILC. I was worried, but had no broken skin and have no obvious discoloration.)
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I've only met one RO so I'm thinking that maybe I should get a second opinion. That one said I couldn't get partial radiation because I've had chemo. I had neoadjuvant chemo because of the HER2 +.
I'm just super worried about the effects of radiation. I already have very sensitive skin. I've had lots of SE's from chemo. And two of the agents I'm getting can cause heart problems so I have an echo every 3 months. So with this being in my left breast, I'm more worried about heart damage.
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Hi NVB,
I was also told I wasn't a candidate for partial or accelerated radiation, but I had done a lot of research on those types beforehand and knew I might not be because of issues with margins, isolated tumor cells found near my lymph nodes and, in one case, being under 50 yo.
That said, it's always worth a second opinion if you're not comfortable. Just make sure to see a RO who is in another area/hospital system so they're not averse to contradicting the first one.
Did you ask your RO about protecting your heart? I'm also fair-skinned with a left side cancer and we are going to do the breath hold technique, which research has shown can help lessen the effects on the heart.
I am curious if anyone here has had experience with proton therapy though and hope someone chimes in! I thought I read on the MD Anderson site though that only 7 cancer centers in the US have the equipment for it--and it seems like it's been more used for other types of cancers--so thay may be why you're not getting much response.
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Thanks for the response and info!
There is a center here in Maryland that does proton radiation. I found out about it while looking into clinical trials. I'm actually meeting with the director for a second opinion this week so I'll see what she says and relay any info I get
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When I looked into a proton trial in 2011, I found that the radiation oncologist involved in the trial answered my questions about the therapy well, but was reluctant to give me advice on how to choose. It seems that's how the doctors are when a trial is in question. Finally another doctor told me that the radiation oncologist thought I should do whole breast and not the proton trial (partial).
Have the radiation oncologist explain what they can do to protect your heart. This is a very precisely planned therapy and they have various ways to work around the heart.
For what it's worth, I was also very worried about my skin, but I came through it really well. I think that a healthy diet, good sleep, and my relatively young age all contributed to good healing between radiation sessions. That seemed to be more important than the fact that I sunburn easily. And that makes sense because radiation damage is not actually a burn, but too-slow regeneration of skin. I hope this encourages you.
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I can not comment on proton radiation but I am just wrapping up 25 rads with boost to left chest wall and supraclavicular following a mastectomy ( I am small by size so obviously the heart...)
Breath holding techniques offer some protection to your heart.
Mepitel - a silicon based film - has helped and I have only a very very minor skin reaction.
Apart from fatigue - doable.
Sherlandpony is spot on (as usual!!:)) it's not a burn but a skin deficit - the base dermal layer fails to regenerate at the same speed (covering with film means less of the top layer is shed and the bottom layer gets a longer go at getting its act together) - the reaction you get is not related to how fair you are.
I too am quite fair skinned ....
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I looked into proton but because mine is on the right side they didn't want to treat me with proton, they are generally only doing it for left side where I go to avoid the heart. It was going to cause weeks of delay in treatment for me to try to work with them to get around that (and may still have not resulted in me receiving proton.) But I am curious to find out how it goes for you- I know this is becoming the standard in some types of cancer but breast cancer it isn't yet offered very often. I have heard that it can be at least as bad and sometimes worse on skin, though, but better for organs. I came through normal radiation with no skin complications and I have very sensitive skin. I also used Mepitel between treatments.
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I met with the RO at the university hospital yesterday and learned a few things:
I am a candidate for whole breast radiation with either photon or proton therapy. The number of treatments will be the same regardless of which one I do. How long each session lasts is also about the same, but the time in the room is a little longer with proton because of the set up (maybe 10 minutes longer).
Proton therapy has less risks to areas of the body past the breast since the radiation stops there. The SE's to the skin and breast are very similar with the newer versions of the proton equipment (this place opened about a year ago and has the newest type).
There is no hard data (hence the trials) to prove that one type is better than the other for breast cancer, but they believe proton is at least equal to photon and perhaps better. And there definitely would be less risk to heart and lung - especially important if lymph nodes also needed to be irradiated.
Insurance sometimes will balk about covering proton. I honestly haven't even looked into my own insurer, but I will. The RO seemed to think that if it was a problem then she could appeal for an exception ahead of time. I could also participate in a clinical trial if I was interested in doing that.
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I am interested in a clinical trial for this photon treatment. I am waiting for the consultation appointment to learn more. I will post when I hear and learn more about the benefits and constraints of this radiation therapy. I know my radiologist was planning 6 weeks of complicated radiation, my right side axilary, sternum, and collarbone to include internal lymph as well as chest wall. I sure wish we had someone who underwent this tratment.
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My insurer would not cover proton radiation - claiming it was "experimental or investigational" treatment. The only clinical trials being done at the center were for those with lymph node involvement as well.
I ended up choosing to have a BMX for a number of reasons - one being the avoidance of radiation since it was unlikely that I had lymph nodes affected and the tumor was not near the chest wall.
I hope this treatment will become much more accessible in the near future. It's already recommended for pediatric patients and some head and neck cancers. Clinical trial participation will help get there!
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I have an appointment to see their Dr's on Aug 15th. I hope I am up to a huge 5.5 hour drive one way 4 days after my 5th chemo and 3 days after my port. I plan to drive back that same day. We will see, I sure hope I can handle it.
I informed my current radiologist about my interest in this He hasn't replied back to me yet.
I will update everyone when I hear.
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I have my radiologist's blessing, he will meet with me on Monday to discuss the proton clinical trial more indepth.
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