Starting Chemo May 2017
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BJI- hope you have a great weekend with your family! DH and I are celebrating anniversary by grilling hot dogs (my fav food on the grill) as long as it isn't too hot to grill
Being awake at 2 am would be way more productive if DH was awake, too. Now I have to be quiet so as not to wake him up.
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DodgersGirl - I finally dropped off to sleep at 4 am, slept til 9. I went downstairs, watched a little tv, read, try to be quiet. Have a good weekend, I also like grilled hot dogs, but they have to have a little char on them, ketchup only.
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BJI. - ha ha ha. My family teases me because grilled hot dogs have to have char, that's the great flavor!! Toasted buns and ketchup
I fell asleep around 6 am and slept til 10 am
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No chemo for me today, this would have neen #5 of 6. My platelets and hemoglobin are half of what they should be. I was wondering why my muscles felt dead and walking the slightest incline kicked my butt.
There goes the few days I could have been at the beach with friends. Now instead of those days being "good" days, the 7 day wait will put them in the really bad day category.
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Day 9 from my 4th and last AC treatment. Ugh is my best description of how I feel. All four treatments have been this way, with days 6-10 feeling a lot like having the flu. No appetite, mouth tastes awful, gnawing stomach, no energy, and just plain blah. I keep telling myself it will be past soon, but it seems to drag on interminably. They didn't check my WBC at its nadir, but we just assume it has crashed and act accordingly. I don't feel well enough to be out and about anyway, so it's fine. You'd think this whole "avoid fresh fruits and vegetables during your nadir" would be difficult, but my appetite is so weak that I don't care to eat them anyway. There is one exception. I have not been able to resist the harvest of our fresh garden cucumbers. For something to taste that good to me is a miracle. I scrub it clean, peel, then eat the whole thing as is!
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msrobin58- Congratulations on finishing your last AC! I too felt bad in days following the las one. It was so frustrating to have everything taste bad and feeling like having the flu. I hope the taxol will be better for you. I had my third treatment yesterday. I am amazed that I don't get that same icky feeling afterwardsthat I got from the AC. So far the only side effects I have had is brown spots on my nails. I am too lazy to ice them, so I just painted them. I have also had minor Tate changes, but nothing like the AC
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Ah, MsRobin, my AC/Neulasta neutropenia sister! I am so sorry for your AC misery. But there's a light at the end of the tunnel now that AC is complete AND that crispy fresh picked cucumber sounds wonderful - especially to someone who's lost her sense of taste and now depends solely on texture!
My week after Taxol 1 (Thurs, 7/13) didn't go as well as I had hoped and it had nothing to do with neutropenia. The premed steroid had me feeling great on Days 1-3. But late on the night of Day 3 my chronic sinusitis made a sudden appearance, complete with postnasal drip and a convulsive phlegmy cough! (Ugh!). By the afternoon of Day 4 I was feeling a little achy and didn't know if it was from the coughing or an SE. Still don't. The minor body aches lasted 3 days and for the most part were managed with Aleve, but the sinusitis and cough have lingered.
Went back for labs yesterday (Thurs, 7/20) and clearance for Taxol 2. Luckily, my blood counts were ok and I was able to have chemo. But I need to keep the sinusitis from turning into a sinus infection because if I have to go on antibiotics they will delay treatment.
Day 2 of Taxol 2 I'm feeling good. Still have some post nasal drip but coughing has not been a problem so far. We'll see what happens as the pre meds wear off. Will the sinusitis and cough return with a vengeance? Will the flu-ish body aches come back? Are they SEs? Or related to my existing sinus problems? Or one of each? I feel like a lab rat!
Have a good weekend, Everyone! We're in this together and I wish you all well.
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notanisland - I completed taxol #8 this week, the body/bone aches come every week for me day 4 & 5. I take a Claritin starting treatment day and next 5 days along with tylenol or ibuprofin for it. Also the drippy nose, stuffy dry nose has been with me the entire time. Let me know if I can answer any other questions you have.
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I had bad bone aches on days 3-4, and mild ones ever since (5-9). They are almost gone today though, and I haven't taken anything for them in a few days. My nose started dripping after AC #2, and is still dripping.
My problem is neuropathy in my hands and feet. It actually started a day or two before I started Taxol. My thumbs just kind of felt funny, and I didn't realize it was neuropathy until early this week. Thumbs feel like they are sensitive and numb all at the same time (not sure if that makes sense to anyone other than me), and I have some discoloration under my nails. I had a little numbness in my feet a few days ago, but I think that is better now.
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BJI, Thanks for the recommendation of Claritin for Taxol SEs. I had eliminated it from my chemo basket because I had no bone pain during AC from the Neulasta shots. But I'll add it back into my arsenal of supplies if it helps you with the Taxol muscle aches. It could have the double benefit of helping to fight off a sinus infection. In my case, my nose doesn't drip. Instead, everything goes down the back of my throat and the constant drip forces me to cough uncontrollably - a horrible phlegmy barking cough - my curse of chronic non-allergic rhinitis. All it takes is a change in the weather to set it off and if not managed can turn into an infected sinus. My nasal sprays, allergy/asthma meds and sinus rinses aren't as effective as usual - maybe due to my suppressed immune system. But I really don't want any delays to treatment! Appreciate your advice!
Lovepugs, Up to now my greatest concern re Taxol SEs was peripheral neuropathy, so prior to Taxol 1 I started taking 600mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid (available at health food and vitamin stores) and 500mg of B-12 daily. Some people take B-6 as well. These supplements, taken proactively, have been okayed by my medical oncologist and nurse practitioner, despite no studies that prove efficacy against neuropathy. But I'm willing to try anything and so far, so good!
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Since I've been feeling so awful today, I finally thought to check my temperature. 100.2 That explains a lot. I often run a little fever during my neutropenia, and it always makes me feel like this. I've barely eaten today, OJ and half a WW English muffin, chicken soup for lunch and dinner, with half a piece of multigrain toast. That's all I can manage. I'll continue to keep tabs on my temp, but for now I've taken Tylenol.
MamaEnki-You understand just how I'm feeling, like the flu. If I can avoid that sick feeling on Taxol, I'll be pleased. I actually like wearing dark nail polish, so that's my plan for dealing with those dark spots. Are they simply cosmetic or does it mean you may lose your nails? Funny thing is, on AC my nails have been better than ever! But I think it's just because I haven't been doing much gardening or housework.
notanisland-I'm sure you are glad to have the AC neutropenia behind you, because you sure know what I'm going through. Sorry to hear that Taxol is aggravating your sinus condition. We've been on similar journeys, so let's hope it doesn't happen to me. Claritin is also something that I've been taking for my allergies, so maybe it will help me with SE.
BJI-I'm curious if the achy bones will get me when I start Taxol. I haven't had that issue from my Neulasta shots. But because I have problems with lower back pain, my doctor already has me on Gabapentin/Neurontin, and I understand that can help this issue.
LovePugs, my drippy nose has been making me crazy through most of my AC treatments. A nurse told me it's the Cytoxan part that does it, and here I thought it was my lack of nose hair! On my good days, I've tried to garden, which was nearly impossible with my crazy nose dripping. A friend advised me to stick tampons in my nose, and that comical image gave me such a chuckle.
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msrobin, How are you doing? I hope your temperature started dropping after your last post and that you are getting through this (hopefully, last) bout of neutropenia with no delays to Taxol.
On Day 4 of Taxol #2 I can assume that the sinusitis (complete with post nasal drip, a bad cough and body aches) that followed my first Taxol infusion was not an SE, but my chronic reaction to hot, humid, breeze-less weather. Through constant nursing I seem to have avoided a full-on sinus infection. This time around, the only SE I've experienced so far is an afternoon and evening of feeling extremely tired and sleepy on Day 3. My energy level seems to have revived today, after 10 hours of sleep! I guess that's what I have to look forward to for the next 10 Saturdays. If that's as bad as my SEs get, I'll take it!
Hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Wishing you the best this coming week.
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notanisland-I did continue to run that low grade fever for a couple more days. We know that this is the norm for me during neutropenia. I'm starting to climb out of that yucky period, but it has sure been slow. Here I am at day 13, and I'm still battling. We've decided that when they say the effects are cumulative, believe them. Each one was worse than the one before, and took longer to recover from. But I'm grateful to notice daily improvement. I still need to gain stamina. It feels a lot like the recovery from major surgery. You don't feel well in many ways, while also feeling weak as a lamb. That part is very frustrating to me. I guess this is why even my oncologist says "You don't handle this (AC) very well.
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msrobin, I know we each react uniquely - different SEs and varying degrees. But since you and I have both experienced severe neutropenia during AC and had delayed benefit from Neulasta, I'm hoping your reaction to Taxol will be as mild as mine has been so far. Outside of feeling tired on Day 3 and needing to nap on Days 4&5, weekly Taxol hasn't been bad. Lab clearances have not been a problem. Today is Taxol 3 and I've just been given the ok for treatment. Good Luck
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Taxol #2 is done! I am officially 75% done with chemo. Only 2 more doses of taxol to go!
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notanisland- We've both battled that neutropenia and won! I'm curious why it hit us so much harder. I'd often read other women saying that they otherwise felt so well despite their low blood count, which is a complete mystery to me. That week was when I just felt plain awful! But it's behind us now! I start Taxol on Thursday, nervous but hopeful.
LovePugs77, you are almost through your chemo treatments, hang in there!
Taxol question-Are mouth sores usually an issue? I've been using Biotene toothpaste throughout treatment, not that it helped. But I'm nearly done with that tube, and would just as soon switch back to regular toothpaste.
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msrobin58- ref mouth sores question... I think it just depends on the person. I did eat ice chips during AC and didn't get any mouth sores. I have had 9 Taxol's so far. Icing hands and feet but not eating ice chips and have had 2 mouth sores....and hoping for no more
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MsRobin, I agree with DodgersGirl - mouth sores depend on the individual situation, how much the chemo is affecting cells in the mouth, level of immunity. I've been using a soft bristled toothbrush with Biotene toothpaste, Biotene mouth rinse and a wash mixture of water, salt and baking soda since I started chemo. I had one mouth sore while on AC and decided I'd do whatever I could to prevent another. I'm 3 weeks into Taxol and so far, so good. I'm still using all 3 oral care products, but admit that the homemade mouthwash seems most effective.
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Okay, sounds like I'd better continue with the Biotene toothpaste and soft bristle brush. I've always had issues with liquid medicines, so I wasn't able to stomach the slimy texture of Biotene mouthwash, Magic Mouthwash, Mylanta, or even that homemade concoction. I can't even take NyQuil when my stomach isn't queasy from chemo, so I knew it would be a no-go. It was very frustrating to have those mouth sores and not be able to do much except drink water. I did chew ice during the AC treatments but it didn't help. They usually hit about the two week mark. Maybe Taxol will give me a break in that respect.
Obviously I am very curious about this next part, and I appreciate you ladies answering my questions.
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Msrobin, I think my MO said that the mouth problems usually aren't as bad with Taxol, but I'm not 100% on that. I wasn't too worried about it, because I didn't have any with AC. I know that he said (repeatedly) that nausea isn't usually as bad with taxol. That said, I've been using an ultra soft toothbrush (actually a children's toothbrush) and biotene toothpaste since I started chemo. Not taking any chances. The two times I got something that even remotely looked like mouth sores, I used baking soda + salt water rinse, and they were gone by the next day.
I think this second round with taxol was easier than the first, probably because I knew what to expect. I took Advil every four hours starting Saturday morning (my infusion was Thursday), and the bone/joint pain wasn't nearly as bad as the first time. I still had some, but the Advil helped. I don't have any pain right now...expecting to be a little achy tonight, but again, I think Advil will take care of it.
I got a summons for jury duty for the week of August 14th. I've got a request in to my MO, and I'm really hoping he'll write a letter to help me get a deferment. I don't feel awful, but I have trouble concentrating, and there's no way I can sit still long enough to be on a jury right now. If he doesn't write one, I guess I'll show up, and hope the judge is sympathetic. I'm hoping to defer to next year, when I'll be done with chemo and radiation.
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msrobin58- my theory on when I get mouth sores is they are are more likely to appear when my mouth is dry. (Especially breathing thru my mouth because Taxol has really dried out my sinuses and left them feeling swollen). My MO nurse said having a dry mouth isn't a contributing factor but it seems like it to me 😋
I don't like the slimy feel of Biotene mouth spray either. I found ACT spray had a better mouth feel to me and use it when I wake up at night to help keep my mouth moist. During the day, when my mouth is really dry and water isn't helping, I suck on Act Mouth Moisturizing lozenges. And I continue to rinse my mouth with water/salt/baking soda after eating. And I apply Blistex Kank-A on the mouth sore to numb and heal.
So far both mouth sores healed and right now, knocking on wood, I don't have any!
Three more Taxols. Hoping mouth sores are a SE in my past
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#10 Taxol/herceptin done! only 2 left, I can see the end!
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Well I had my first Taxol treatment on Thursday. I was fearful of an infusion reaction, but sailed through. The Benadryl knocked me for a loop though! First it made me very floaty, then I fell asleep. I even made sure to have hubby escort me to the restroom with my IV box so I didn't stagger. My infusion nurse wants them to reduce my dosage next time. I slept on the way home, then more on the couch after lunch. Between that and the steroids, it was a sleepless night, but I had my iPad to entertain me.
I'm otherwise doing well, did a little gardening this morning, made some homemade salsa from the garden, but now I'm done in. Tired and sore. We'll see how the rest of the week goes. I'm disappointed that my tongue has already gone a little flat, but nothing like on AC. Appetite okay, I'd say about 75% of normal. So far it's quite doable.
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MsRobin, It's good to hear that Taxol 1 went well and that you are doing better than on AC. Especially nice that you were able to get out into the garden!
Thursday was Taxol 4 for me, and while the side effects aren't terrible, I must admit that the weekly schedule leaves few productive days between treatments. I actually look forward to Thursdays because I know the pre-med steroid will give me a boost of energy on Days 1 & 2. After 4 cycles, I now expect that on either Day 3 or Day 4, or both, I will feel very fatigued. That means my weekends are spent dragging myself around the house, getting little done. My energy level climbs slowly from Monday through Wednesday, but I often feel too tired to drive. On AC, I had very low WBC for about 5 out of 13 days, but because I didn't feel tired, I was able to accomplish a lot around the house, including work, and was even able to drive and run errands during nadir (wearing a mask). I'm trying to keep my spirits up, but the lethargy that I feel from the Taxol is starting to wear on me. Hope I feel better tomorrow morning. 8 Taxol treatments to go...
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notanisland I've only had the one Taxol, but your description matched mine very closely. Once I got through the groggy Benadryl buzz on treaThursday, I got a little steroid burst. But it barely lasted though one day and I spent the rest of the weekend just dragging. The fatigue was frustrating, but I was still grateful not to feel ill.
By Monday I started to perk up a bit, and Tuesday I even went to a chair yoga class at the cancer center. I was the youngest one in the class at 59, and the only one currently going through treatment. But I'm feeling so weak after AC that I thought I should start slowly like that. It really did feel good to move again. I also returned to my chiropractor for the first time in months, so I really got all my kinks out! I even shopped a little and went to choir practice, but that was a lot for one day and wore myself out.
Taxol #2 in the morning. In some ways I'm going to miss that third week honeymoon where I felt fairly normal. Not much turn around with this. If this first time is indicative, fatigue is going to be the enemy. I'm achy too, but usually stretching and moving helps.
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getting premeds, awaiting taxol #11.
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BJI- Here's to hoping you get sleep tonigh
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DodgersGirl i hope so, one more week! Have to admit, gonna miss the energy boost. Saw MO today, every thing looks. Will start herceptin only august 23, recheck with RO and echo on the 30th. On to the next leg of this journey.
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BJI-Number 11, you're almost through this part! Enjoy your steroid boost, then rest after. I'm awaiting my MUGA scan, then I'll have Taxol #2 today.
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Taxol #11 infusion uneventable. Trouble with port for the first time. Blaming the nurse - first stick, no blood return, she tried flushing, instant pain and burning. She removed needle, tried a second time, same thing. Called in another nurse for advice, tried moving it a third time with no luck. Finally got someone else, she got it right away. Delayed things by almost an hour. No one has had trouble accessing my port in the previous 10 infusions. Thinking i will request Jane not be my nurse again. Got a little sleep from midnight to 430, finally got up at 445, read some, watching tv. My port site is sore today, hasnt bothered since I got it back in may.
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