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  • moodyblues
    moodyblues Member Posts: 470
    edited June 2017

    Breastlessb.  I mentioned to my family members that I had no problems whatsoever with mosquitos this year, not ONE bite!  I guess insects are smarter than we think.  ha ha.  They see us glow in the dark and run away screaming.

     

  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited June 2017

    Moodyblues, what chemo are you on? I'm on DD AC, and they are still tearing me up. Maybe my mosquitoes are just brave...or dumb!

  • moodyblues
    moodyblues Member Posts: 470
    edited July 2017

    Lovepugs.  I am on Taxotere, Carboplatin and Herceptin. 

  • BCFighter2017
    BCFighter2017 Member Posts: 45
    edited July 2017

    This thursday i had my first DD taxol. I was prescribed to take 5 dexamethasone night before chemo and 5 on the day of chemo
    On the infusion day , i had more premeds given (benadryl , pepcid , aloxi ) before starting actual taxol.
    The infusion day went fine and after completion i was feeling my normal self. I was glad that i was not feeling fatigued that i used to feel on AC and felt lot better.
    Next day of i had very dry throat but was still feeling normal energy wise.
    Today the SE kicked in. I am having body aches , calf muscles , thighs , arm muscle all tight. Also my eyes are red.
    My mom did my body massage , felt good after it but still having the aches. feeling little bit weak and lying on bed with no energy.
    For eyes , i got lubricant drops and keeping frozen rose water pad on it.
    I am hoping all these SE subside soon


  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited July 2017

    bcfighter2017- sorry to hear about your SE. My MO told me if I didn't have bone pain from Neulasta, I might not get it with Taxol but I sure did. MO told me to try Aleve so I take one every 12 hours when bone pain/joint pain starts. I had a treatment Wednesday and so far bone pain has been very minimal. Hope you can find what works for you soon

  • Radmonkey
    Radmonkey Member Posts: 83
    edited July 2017

    bc fighter - I read that it's similar to having the flu. Does aleve or Tylenol help? Is it worse than AC side effects

  • Castigame
    Castigame Member Posts: 752
    edited July 2017

    hello, sisters.

    Please excuse if I sounf like a broken record or quack naturopath(spelling)

    I just completed 4DD AC and 4DD taxol. I know for sure my dosages were very strong. Ex my red devil was 1160 mg and taxol dosage was about 320 mg. The main reason I was able to survive was Epsom Salt scrub/bath. Yes I did have to get low dose hydrocodone for taxol pain. Please try it at least once. Magnasium sulfate is good for you body. It soothes muscle aches and.pains. it helps you sleep better. It even moisturizes and exfoliates skin. And the last, I never got to ice my hands and feet but have zero problem w neuropathy probably thanks to the salt.


    One more thing, if you have had any lymph nodes.removed, please ck w your health insurance company about flexitouch pump. The pump makes a huge diff for me.

    Mimi



  • BCFighter2017
    BCFighter2017 Member Posts: 45
    edited July 2017

    @Dodgersgirl ..i will ask my MO about Aleve, though i didn't get any bone from nuelasta either.i took tylenol 500 mg today morning and it helped little.

    @Radmonkey ..it didn't feel like flu , mostly was having joint pains( first time for me , never had such joints pain before :( ...i took tylenol in the morning which seemed to help

    @rebamacfan123 .. will definitely try epsom salts , i have read about it too that it helps in soothing muscle aches. I will get it today . i tried ice during taxol infusion but couldn't keep my hands in it for more than 5 mins.

  • Sca
    Sca Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2017

    Taxol weekly #7 / 12 now done. I kept hair thru week 4, held out a week before shaving to about an inch. Still have few hairs on top, more on sides and back by neck, could wear baseball cap but got folliculitis this last week, rubs on sores, little red pimple marks on head, Dr prescribed Mupirocin ointment today, should clear it up. Use nothing at home, have a thin tye-dyed beanie that is soft that I use when I go out.

    For me, first 3 weeks were harder, probably learning how to get along, nap or rest in afternoon and eat blander foods both helped. Now less intense, sure happy about that, more consistent and tolerable side effects...day or 2 of muscle aches, thank God no constipation but have most meals run thru me, less stomach pain since taking Omeprazole, nose runs, usually have 1 day that I am out of it and feels better to rest more. Even though RBC running below normal, energy levels good most days.

    Last week, I got to switch benedryl infusion to lower dose pill. Doesn't knock me out so much, more enjoyable infusion day.

    I agree, concentration is more difficult and get little bouts of light headedness or dizzy, but doesn't last long.

    I think my eyesight is changing but probably just age. I think it's about time for yearly eye check up.

    Only 5 more weekly Taxol + Herceptin infusions, then DD Herceptin every 3 weeks for 9 months with no pre drugs. It will be 30 minute infusion versus 3.5 to 4.5 hours for blood work, pre drugs, Taxol and Herceptin each week. Crazy what puts a smile on my face.

    This is infusion day or what I call my steroid night, even my sleeping pill doesn't help me much on this day. I still have lots of energy evening of steroid night and next morning.

    Hope everyone has a good week.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited July 2017

    Sca- Wednesday was Taxol 6 for me. Looks like based on your comments and post time that steroids are keeping you awake tonight, too. I think I slept for about an hour tonight but find myself wide awake now.

    Wondering if I should keep trying to fall back asleep or give up and do quiet activities around the house??

    Good luck with sleep and SE from Taxol

  • BJI
    BJI Member Posts: 154
    edited July 2017

    Just finished taxol/herceptin #6 today. Went well, port behaved. I got about 4 hrs sleep last night. I found if I lay awake for more 1-2 hrs I just get up. Each week seems better, settled in to routine, know what to expect and how to manage things. Looking ahead to finishing. Thankful everyday that this has so manageable and know how lucky I am. This group has been so helpful and supportive.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited July 2017

    BJI - just like you wrote, after being awake and unable to fall back to sleep, I went to work at 2 am (benefit of working from home and having a boss who told me to flex my hours to fit my treatments)

  • l_brain
    l_brain Member Posts: 71
    edited July 2017

    Sca - Hi. Taxol does affect your eye sight. I was told it was temporary and not to get new glasses until a couple months after chemo is done. Just an FYI for what it is worth.

  • MamaEnki
    MamaEnki Member Posts: 10
    edited July 2017

    I just had my first taxol today. I don't have a port and it didn't take too long to find a vein. I was given Pepcid, steroids and Benadryl before starting. The Benadryl made me sooooo sleepy. It took a little while at first since they start slow. My appointment started at 11:30 and I left at 2:30. I guess next week will be better. No Benadryl next time. I am supposed to take Zyrtec an hour before I go. No side effects yet, but I am sure they will come. I hope everyone had a lovely holiday. This weekend I am going with my herd of kids and my dh to a retreat for cancer patients and their families among the redwoods. I am really looking forward to this little break.

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited July 2017

    Thank you all for your updates on Taxol. With any luck I'll have my first Taxol treatment on 7/13. I say that because yesterday I went in for my "low point" labs and my WBC was not just very low (as expected), but the lowest yet by .1 (not expected). Since my 4th and final AC chemo treatment on 6/29 the SEs seem to have suddenly shown up. Must be cumulative in my case. The skin of my hands both front and back have turned a gray hue. I've totally lost my sense of salty and savory flavors, making it impossible to enjoy food (everything tastes like cardboard) and difficult to cook. Sweet and spicy are over-accentuated so just as unsatisfying. Because my WBC goes so low at nadir I have had to forego raw fruits and vegetables from Day 4-10, which brought on constipation. The Senna-S prescription I was given eventually works, but I should have been more proactive in taking it. Despite my use of Biotene rinse and water/salt/baking soda mixture, I did get one mouth sore that was quite painful. Thankfully, it quickly cleared up with use of a magical ointment from Japan (Sato Oral Ointment). Still, I haven't yet suffered through nausea, muscle or bone pain or extreme fatigue, so I'm going to focus on building my immunity (staying away from crowds, getting enough rest, forcing myself to eat well, and visualizing hard working bone marrow) so I can move forward with Taxol on Thursday. I hope my SEs are manageable and that I "settle in" as you all seem to be doing. It's going to be a long 12 weeks, so I'll be sure to keep reading about your progress for motivation and strength.

    Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday and that you're each enjoying your summer, wherever you are!

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited July 2017

    Hi ladies, thought I should check in. I did NOT have my last AC treatment as scheduled last week. I was running a little fever and they postponed till this Thursday. Part of me was grateful for the reprieve but part of me wanted to get that part over with! It seems I'm doomed to forever trudge through AC, but of course that's not true. I keep thinking that in a couple weeks I'll have it behind me. As usual I expect to be neutropenic during days 6-10, it's the norm for me.

    I read the Taxol posts with interest since that's my next part of the journey. Since I've had such a rough time with AC, my MO keeps telling me how much better I'm going to do during Taxol. It's almost like a mantra of wishful thinking for both of us.

    Keep carrying on everyone!

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited July 2017

    msrobin58 - my MO said Taxol would be much easier than AC and overall, so far (6 of 12 Taxol completed ) Taxol is easier than AC in that I don't feel nauseous at all and am not out of commission on days 4-5 after AC

    But- Taxol is definitely cumulative in its SE and since my plan is treatment each week so I miss the week of feeling good between AC treatments. Right now, my best days are the treatment day plus those 2 days after where pre-meds rule

    My MO said if I didn't have bone pain from Neulasta, I probably wouldn't have any with Taxol but that wasn't true for me. I have treatments on Wednesdays and now take Aleve on Saturday thru Monday each week. Doesn't eliminate the pains but makes them tolerable. My most annoying SE is how dry my sinuses are making it feel like I can't breath thru my nose which dries out my mouth and lips. I use Ocean saline spray to try to keep moisture in my sinuses and use Ayr Gel to keep the tissue just inside nose well moisturized.

    I also have my first mouth sore. Recommend water,salt, baking soda mouth rinse after eating.

    No neuropathy or nail raising yet but there is still time for that SE I am icing hands and feet during Taxol.

    I have had to take Pepcid a couple of times a week with Taxol.

    Regarding white blood cell counts- no Neulasta with Taxol but each week my WBC number is lower than the week before. Last week it was 5.2 which is plenty high enough for the next treatment but is keeps dropping 2 tenths of a point weekly

    Just new/different SE to deal with and no breaks between weekly treatments makes me miss the week off with AC but overall, I function much better with Taxol than AC

    Wishing you the best as your journey continues.

  • BJI
    BJI Member Posts: 154
    edited July 2017

    I also had taxol #7 Wednesday. I too had trouble sleeping, fell asleep for an hour, up for 2 hours, back to sleep for 4. Got a busy day planned, take advantage of the steroids. My port has worked great, only had trouble the first couple of times. I think it really makes a difference in the nurse. My WBC continues to drop, at 3.8 yesterday, they weren't concerned yet. My liver enzymes are up, They are seeing a pattern of increase on day 15, then drops back normal. Gave me extra flush of fluids yesterday, and stressed lots of water, which I do. Liver working overtime to flush the poisons out! Will see MO next week, haven't seen her for 3 weeks. Otherwise same SE, definitely more tired last week. Only 5 to go!

  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited July 2017

    Well I have finally managed to put the Red Devil of AC behind me. I can't get too excited yet because treatment day itself isn't the hard part. The difficult two weeks that follows are the real challenge. I just never know what's going to happen exactly, since I've had all manner of SE on my journey. All I know is that soon AC's ugly effects will be behind me, and I can move forward into the Taxol adventure.

    While they keep telling me it will be easier, it sounds like it will mostly just be different. Less nausea and less neutropenia will be most welcome! But the trade off sounds like more pain related SE. I'm more confident in my ability to handle pain. After all, I've had a bone on bone bad knee that was excruciating and was eventually fully replaced. That stuff is not for sissies, so pain doesn't scare me as much as the tummy troubles I've been dealing with.

    Either way, my last AC treatment is behind me and I sure won't miss it!

  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited July 2017

    msrobin, congrats on finishing AC! That is definitely a good feeling.

    I started DD taxol today, and the alcohol/Benadryl/comparing combo knocked me out. I slept on and off throughout the infusion, then came home and took a four hour nap. I'm feeling good now though - I guess it has all worn off. I'm anxious to see what SE I get with taxol. AC was actually pretty easy for me, just some fatigue. Hopefully yhis will go well too

  • BCFighter2017
    BCFighter2017 Member Posts: 45
    edited July 2017

    Yesterday i had my #2 DD Taxol (half way done with taxol :-) ) . Infusion day went fine and today because of steroids feeling ok.

    My White blood count was critically high this time (42.27) so Doctor cancelled the Nuelasta shot for me . Hopefully when WBC go down in a week i dont get sick

    Since i had joint pains last time , MO told to take aleve so will take it first thing tomorrow morning and will continue for another 4-5 days.

    Praying for less SE this time

  • notanisland
    notanisland Member Posts: 142
    edited July 2017

    MsRobin: Congratulations on finishing AC! That neutropenia was hard to take, but let's hope we fare better on Taxol. That's what they keep telling us!

    DodgersGirl, BJI, BCFighter etal: Thank you for sharing. It helps a lot to be aware of possible SEs as well as your solutions so that those of us following can be proactive.

    Lovepugs: You and I have identical chemo schedules. It's always interesting to me to know how you're doing and how our experiences compare. So far, so good!

    Once again, the neutropenia from my 4th and final DD AC resolved in time for my next scheduled infusion and I had my first of 12 weekly Taxol treatments on 7/13. Everything went smoothly. On Day 3 I'm still feeling fine, no muscle pain or neuropathy. No SEs at all, just as with AC treatments 1 and 2 - though I am expecting that at least mild effects will be cumulative as they were with AC treatments 3 and 4. I still have loss of taste, some blackening of nail beds, darkening of hands including palms, and of course, hair loss (though that seems to be slowing). My eyebrows and lashes are hanging in there, but from what others report, they may still go!

    My pre-treatment blood test showed my potassium level was a bit low so I'm making an effort to eat more potassium-rich foods, which isn't difficult. And though it's not proven to prevent neuropathy, I'm going to start taking alpha lipoic acid (600 mg) and B12 (500 mg) daily.

    Unlike DD AC, which I had every other week, my Taxol treatments will be given weekly. This means I won't have my WBC monitored at nadir during an "off week" and I hope my counts don't plummet like they did on AC. I won't know until I return next Thursday for pre-labs, whether I can proceed with Taxol 2, but I've always bounced back in time before so I'm hopeful.

    My greatest concern is that DD AC is complete and my cancer has not shrunk as much as I had hoped it would. My chemo is neo adjuvant - prior to surgery - in hopes of shrinking the tumor estimated at 4cm X 3cm and a 1cm met to at least one biopsied lymph. After AC #2, a physical exam estimated the tumor at 2cm X 2cm (personally, I think that's an optimistic estimate) and since then there has been no palpable difference in size. The tumor does feel noticeably "softer,' which is positive, but I'm really hoping it continues to shrink over the next 11 weeks.

    This journey started for me on April 14 (DX), 3 months ago. I've reached the 1/2-way mark in chemo with less than 3 months to go. Up to now I've told myself that this is something that I have to do. But today I realized that it's something I can do. Thank you for all your help! Hope you're all having a good weekend.

  • Abloorable
    Abloorable Member Posts: 21
    edited July 2017

    yes - I have been searching for others! Just has my fourth AC THIS Monday - awake on Steriods lol 😂


  • lovepugs77
    lovepugs77 Member Posts: 296
    edited July 2017

    notanisland, I think our schedules have diverged a bit now. I'm doing dense dose taxol every two weeks. I've had some SE from it - my hips and legs were really achy over the weekend, and I have mild neuropathy in my hands and feet. I can deal with the pain in my legs, but I'm going to talk to my MO about reducing my dosage. The neuropathy scares me.

    3 more to go!

  • Abloorable
    Abloorable Member Posts: 21
    edited July 2017

    please let me know how you go on Taxol - just had my last AC (was every 3 weeks) and start my first of 12 taxols in 19 days - waiting on my last lot of AC SE's to kick in... lol not a fun wait!


  • Abloorable
    Abloorable Member Posts: 21
    edited July 2017

    yes! I started May 15 on DD AC EVERY 3weeks - just had my last on Monday - starting 12 weeks of Taxol in 19 days .... would love to hear how you are going xx

  • Abloorable
    Abloorable Member Posts: 21
    edited July 2017

    Hi I'm triple neg as well just finished my AC on Monday July 17 - staring 12 weeks Taxol on August 7th - wishing you well

  • Sca
    Sca Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2017

    Hello All, wishing everyone well and a good week. Had #9 Taxol/Herceptin today, again like every week Steroids keeping me awake tonight. Week 7 and 8, SE aches, pains, stomach/gut issues and less energy were a bummer. Usually have a good day or 2 before returning for next infusion, not so much last couple weeks, best is nite of infusion and next morning for me. My WBC have been mostly good except week 2, my RBC counts have been low and moving lower each week for last few weeks, more tired and weak on few days. Have had ugly head sores for last weeks, Dr prescribed ointment, didn't heal but no infection, now trying hydrocortisone, helps itch, no more new ones showing up, still not going away. They are telling me, when Taxol done. 3 more, so close yet seems so far. If I could sleep thru fri thru tues without dealing with SE, i would be so happy. End of Taxol in sight. Herceptin lasts till next May/June, less or little side effects they tell me. I commend you all that had to do AC, I hear it's tough stuff to go thru. Cheers to everyone having a good week

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited July 2017

    Sca- had Taxol 8 yesterday and here I am almost 2 am WIDE AWAKE again. Like you, with weekly Taxol, my best days are the day before treatment and the day of treatment. Developed my 2ns mouth sore over the weekend-- the first one cleared up with salt, water, baking soda rinse that I took after eating anything and Blistix Kanka directly on the sore a couple of times a day so doing that with the 2nd treatment. Having restless leg syndrome now. Finding it hard to just sit even during infusion. Found out yesterday that SE is probably from the Benadryl in the premeds

    I just keep looking down the road -- 4 more treatments. We can do this. Maybe sleep is overrated (said sarcastically). Wish I could just get a good might's slee

  • BJI
    BJI Member Posts: 154
    edited July 2017

    DodgersGirl- I too am wide awake at 2am! I have had less good days this last week, more tired, some intestinal issues, and more aches. No mouth issues other than dry. Trying not to dwell on it, only 4 more to go, yes we can do this. My daughter and her twins coming on saturday for a week. Hoping for a good week to enjoy them.

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