Hard to buy everything organic

ShetlandPony · June 2017

I read the articles wallycat linked above. I think there may have been a misinterpretation. Easy enough to happen because of that "inverse relationship" language (in the first article), where one thing goes up while another thing goes down. The article talked about an inverse relationship between fruit and vegetable intake and triple negative breast cancer. So, in the group of women who ate more fruit and veg, there was less risk of TNBC. Conversely, in the group of women who ate less fruit and veg, there was more risk of TNBC. I saw no indication in either article that eating "too much" fruit and/or vegetables could be harmful.

By the way, as far as fruit, there was special mention of apples, pears, peaches, nectarines, and apricots being beneficial!

kira1234 · June 2017

Shetland pony I love all those fruits. Honestly I see no way eating fruits and vegetables could be a negative. I'm trying to up all my vegetable and fruits and use less meat and noodles, rice and bread products.

ShetlandPony · June 2017

Yes, summer fruit is one of the great things about summer, so bring on those nectarines! Would you agree that brown basmati rice, whole grain pasta, and chewy sprouted wheat bread are a lot different from white rice, white pasta, and white bread?

peaches1 · June 2017

I have a hard time with those people who think all carbs are bad, but have no problems eating bacon. Brown rice and WW bread is a lot better for you than bacon

ChiSandy · June 2017

Peaches, I got that impression when I ate there that Norske Nook’s better days were behind it. I like Swedish & German food, but the real thing (we used to have several Swedish restaurants in Andersonville—we still have Svea, and a branch of Ann Sather’s in my neighborhood) is nowhere near that—for want of a better word—leaden.

kira1234 · June 2017

I've come to love sprouted bread. I tried making it myself with sprouted flour but it just doesn't rise very well. I do make fresh bread weekly with whole wheat flour. I also make my own noodles most of the time though I do keep some dried whole wheat noodles. I also am making bone soup weekly with the bones from a free range chicken.

katcar0001 · June 2017

Shetland, I read that article, and thank you so much for the clarification! I have terrible brain fog these days, but it was just not making any sense to me at all!

wallycat · June 2017

ShetlandPony, my point was to show that the gals posting and freaking out about quantity and organic is possibly overkill. I'm a dietitian. I believe in healthy diets and I consider food as medicine but to go off the deep end "in hopes" things will prove out...well, I need to put my science hat on and put things in perspective too.

Last year there was actually a study (and I will try to find it) that did show a non-inverse relationship (and yes, for most people that inverse stuff can confuse them!)

I found this from a 1997 study--I take it with a grain of salt when Dr. Willet discusses it:

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/eating-v...

For anyone that wants to read studies and compare outcomes, the Komen website has a beautiful table:

http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/Table14Fruitandv...

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v104/n1/full/660...

And 2 weeks ago, strawberries were the new "super cancer food." We need to remember we are genetically/epigenetically different. Eating well and as healthfully as possible is highly encouraged. Just don't get sick from worrying about it ;-)

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a2c7/80ac7dc692eb...

Momine · June 2017

Wally, excellent way of putting it:

"Eating well and as healthfully as possible is highly encouraged. Just don't get sick from worrying about it ;-)"

But so we don't all revert to diet of Doritos and beer :P it should also be kept in mind that a healthy diet WITH veggies is generally thought to be healthful, regardless of the cancer thing. It can help control weight, keep cholesterol steady, blood sugar steady etc, all of which may hopefully contribute to a long and healthy life. But, yeah, it shouldn't take over your life and cause you to need xanax.

EastcoastTS · June 2017

Kira1234:

I'd love to make my own bread -- but I'm not much of a cook. Is it easy?

MelissaDallas · June 2017

Eastcoase, making bread is really easy. Even easier if you have a good stand mixer.

kira1234 · June 2017

Eastcoast, I use a bread machine now just for convenience. I used a good stand mixer for years but it eventually broke. My in laws gave me the first bread machine years ago and realized how easy they are. I even start pizza dough in it. Pizza is one of my favorite meals and this way I can have my favorite meal controlling the calories.

EastcoastTS · June 2017

I will look. I've never even heard of a stand mixer! I'm a cooking dummy.

Momine · June 2017

Eastcoast, bread is super-easy. All you need is yeast, water, salt and flour. You can add a little olive oil. You can add seeds or nuts. Whatever you want really, but the base is yeast, salt, water and flour.

EastcoastTS · June 2017

Then at least no preservatives, etc., etc. I'm going to try it!

kira1234 · June 2017

Here is a really simple recipe that I like.

http://www.food.com/recipe/quick-yeast-bread-89164...

Momine · June 2017

And no fillers, sugar, corn syrup etc. Commercial bread tends to be heavy on the sugar.

ksusan · June 2017

For making clean food at home, try a yogurt maker. The ingredients are a yogurt starter (either powdered or a little organic yogurt) and milk (I'm using organic). No preservatives, no carrageenan, no added sugar, no plastic containers. You heat up milk, add it to the starter, pour it into jars, heat the jars in the machine, and you've got fresh organic yogurt.

kira1234 · June 2017

ksusan is there a brand of yougert maker you suggest?

ksusan · June 2017

I read the reviews on Amazon and chose Euro Cuisine: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EX16RY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

EastcoastTS · June 2017

I really would love to try this. I don't care what you do -- and I can seriously eat plain yogurt -- but you still can't get away from all the sugar!!!

EastcoastTS · June 2017

And the maker is only $29! That kind of investment I don't mind making.

kira1234 · June 2017

Thanks ksusan

peaches1 · June 2017

I see used yogurt makers all the time at rummage sales for usually $2. I have heard some people use their instapot to make yogurt too.

Momine · June 2017

Eastcoast, I really don't think I eat much food with sugar added. I get my bread from a real baker or make it myself. Make my own muesli, no sugar. Eat plain yogurt, no sugar. The rest of my food is veggies, various kinds of meat and fish, usually cooked at home. I do sometimes put 1 teaspoon honey on my yogurt with muesli, but that is about it for added sugar.

kira1234 · June 2017

I agree I get virtually no added sugar. I eat a lot of fruit which has natural sugar in it but I'm not worried about that. I do keep honey in the house for occasional use but I buy unprocessed honey so again very natural

peaches1 · July 2017

Last time I was at the farmer's market, I was getting ready to leave, and I spotted some kohlrabi that was $2 a bunch. I was really tempted but I had already purchased some sugar snap peas, lots of lettuce, and a huge broccolini, and I did not need anything else. The woman standing there said she was willing to make a deal with me, but I declined. Sometimes at the end of the day, they are so anxious to get rid of their stuff, that they say they will make you a deal if you buy more than one. You don't even have to ask them.

pipers_dream · July 2017

If you want to try yogurt at home w/o buying a yogurt maker, you can make it in a cooler. Just take your warm jars and wrap them in a towel and keep them in a cooler all night. For Greek style, put the finished yogurt in a coffee filter and let the whey drain out. Some folks save the whey for other projects.

BTW, I love to make my bread with sourdough starter and then I don't even have to buy yeast--haven't in years. The taste is better but it takes a bit longer than the instant yeast. I put out a sponge the night before with 1 cup flour, 1 cup water, and 1 cup starter. Then the next day I add things in like seeds, nuts, and wet or dry fruit. The banana bread is extra good and much less sweet than the regular version. I also add a couple of eggs and sometimes a teaspoon of baking soda, tho if the starter is lively I don't bother. I adjust it to about the consistency of regular banana bread batter and then bake at. . . whatever. 350-400? Somewhere around there. As you can imagine, no two batches are the same but I had to stop doing this as I was gaining too much weight mainly because I can't stop eating it.

To get sourdough you can either buy a starter or make your own. This is the recipe I used to make my starter and it gave excellent results. It looks very involved and time consuming but really it takes no more time than sprouts and it's fun to stir it and see it bubble on the counter. The recipe on this link calls for KA flour but I use unbleached organic. There is word on the street that it may not be gluten that is giving people fits so much as it is glyphosate and we know that glyphosate sprayed foods are a risk factor for breast cancer specifically.

Hard to buy everything organic

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