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  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    scrafgal --when do you start FAC? I really feel you will be ok with it. You are such an active person that i really feel you will do well --much like soxfan who is running marathons while getting carboplatin - both FAC and carboplatin can be tough on the counts so you may want to be more careful abotu infection. Main difference between FAC and taxol is that taxol is very easy on the counts and doesn't cause fatigue. FAC worse on counts and the fatigue front. So with staying active and cautious about infections , i think you will do well with FAC- we are here to suppport you

  • AliceAgnes
    AliceAgnes Member Posts: 78
    edited June 2017

    Is anyone else having vision problems as a result of chemo? Mine comes and goes. When it comes, I have great difficulty doing close-up activities of any kind--computer work, reading, etc. For whatever it's worth, I am extremely nearsighted, anyway, and have been wearing glasses since I was 10.

  • RoseMT
    RoseMT Member Posts: 8
    edited June 2017

    AliceAgnes It's from Steroids that they give you. I just had my #11 of 12 Taxol yesterday. I have double vision really bad.. It's scary at first and I do hope it goes away after the Chemo. It's very , very frustrating I know. I will go to my eye doctor after of month off of Chemo.

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    Alice Agnes --i have had blurred vision from the beginning --my doctor said its inflammation due to the taxol she said it will get better off chemo

  • Scrafgal
    Scrafgal Member Posts: 631
    edited June 2017

    Tara17

    I am happy to hear that things went well for you, during and after your surgery. You sound at peace with where things are now, which is good!

    I start FAC this Thursday. I bounce between thinking that I will do fine and worrying about all of the horrible things that I have heard. I think that I just need to stop thinking about it. I am making myself crazy! Thank you for your supportive words. I feel that, somehow, I will make it!

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    scrafgal--- worrying about all the horrible things one hears is part of what makes all this tougher --thast what happened to me pre mastectomy too. The day before, i just tuned out everything negative and only kept the positive messages from women like you and my friends in my heart. I dont say you will do well just to be encouraging --the fact that you are so physically active and fit is what makes me say that. I do feel that you are strong and thus you will make it ! Keepme informed of how you do! Tune out all the negative and just keep re-reading the positive Thank you again for your support with my surgery -it made a big difference!

  • Scrafgal
    Scrafgal Member Posts: 631
    edited June 2017

    Thank you for speaking courage and strength into me today, Tara17!  After reading your message, I stopped moping around and did Pilates!  I always feel more powerful after doing Pilates, too!

    I agree with you.  I just need to tune out negativity and focus on good thoughts! 

    I have an "onocology massage" scheduled for later today (offered at  my treatment center).  I am also scheduled for my first acupuncture treatment on Friday--the day after my first FAC.  At first I thought that I should not have acupuncture on Friday, but the medical team thinks that it is the perfect day. It could help reduce a lot of side effects. I am willing to trust them and give it a try! I will do that twice per week for the next 5 weeks.

    I will keep you all posted on how things go with FAC on Thursday!

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    hi scrafgal --you ae an inspiration --Pilates, oncology massage, acupuncture ---you are doing all the things you need to do! Now trust in your inner strength and courage ; just keep reading only positive things; do deep breathing, write down positive thoughts . I tell myself that being calm and not stressed out also is only going to help my healing You are still going to be nervous for the first FAC ---tell yourself thats normal before any new step. Cant wait to hear your update after treatment. Take care!!

  • Soxfan75
    Soxfan75 Member Posts: 115
    edited June 2017

    Tara17 - I am so happy to hear that you have gotten through your surgery and that you're in a good place mentally. There's something about being on the other side of surgery that makes you feel somewhat liberated. I'm glad they were able to put some saline in your expanders. That really helps to reduce the shock. The way you handled the days before your surgery is really inspiring, and I hope that anyone facing surgery will take note of some of the things you did to get through it. Sending positive vibes for a speedy recovery.

    Scrafgal - Tara17 is right. Every step in the journey brings with it fears of the unknown. It's just a new set of challenges, but you are strong and you will overcome them. Remember that no matter how bad things get, it's all just temporary. If things get too hard, don't be afraid to lean on all of the friends and family that have offered their support. Good luck on your first FAC!

    I'll be getting my 5th TCHP on Thursday and with that will be 7 hours of cold capping. I dread that more than the chemo drip. I just keep having to tell myself that it's working so it's worth it.

    So most of you know that I've been lucky enough with my side effects that I've been able to continue running and weight training, and I am so grateful for that. Well, I've decided to set a goal for myself (with doctor's approval, of course). I plan on doing a Tough Mudder Half in August. If all goes well, I should be just starting radiation by then so hopefully that won't interfere with anything. I'm excited but nervous about whether I'll be able to do it. Fingers crossed that everything keeps going smoothly!

  • MommyErin
    MommyErin Member Posts: 187
    edited June 2017
    AliceAgnes and RoseMT- So sorry to hear about your vision issues! I hope they clear up quickly!
    Tara17- Glad to hear you're through surgery! You're giving me confidence as I mentally prepare for mine a couple months.


    Scrafgal- Sending positive thoughts your way for your Thursday treatment!

    Soxfan75- Go you on the half-marathon! I've been keeping up in my double step and body blast classes at the gym, but I haven't been running like I used to. No way could I manage a half! You could maybe inspire me to do a 5K though ;-) I'll be a week behind you on treatment #5. Hope it goes well for you with no additional SEs. Do you have a radiation plan yet? I'm still trying to figure out surgery...

    Speaking of surgery, I met with my breast surgeon today and she's comfortable doing whatever surgery I want, including skin-sparing with reconstruction, provided the plastic surgeon thinks I'm a good candidate for delayed-immediate reconstruction (putting tissue expander in at time of initial surgery but waiting to exchange for an implant until 6 months after radiation). So, I meet with the PS tomorrow. Any advice on specific questions I should ask him?

  • Soxfan75
    Soxfan75 Member Posts: 115
    edited June 2017

    Welcome back MommyErin! It's so good to hear from you! I hope there are no new side effects with my next round too. My latest SE that seemed to come out of nowhere is random nosebleeds. You're on the same regimen that I am - have you had that problem? I'm glad to hear you're keeping up with exercise too. I've been told it's good for those of us on Herceptin. I just had my echocardiogram this morning to check my LVEF. Hopefully, it hasn't dropped too much. I'm so afraid that my LVEF will drop too low and they'll stop the Herceptin. As for radiation, I don't have my plan yet, but I'm sure we'll discuss it soon.

    I'm sure you've already thought of most of the questions for the PS. You'll probably discuss how big you want to go and what's realistic for your frame, as well as how many fills it will take to get to your desired size. They can probably give you an estimate as to how long between surgery and your first fill. I do think some of the questions really depend on what option you choose: skin sparing or regular mx. If you go with skin sparing and you want to make any adjustments (ie - nipple location), now might be the time to ask about that. You can ask the PS about the skin's reaction to radiation with a skin sparing v. regular mx also. And definitely ask to look at pictures!

    Good luck tomorrow! xoxo

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    soxfan-- thanks so much for your good wishes and thoughts to me . I completely agree that there is something about being on the other side of surgery that is freeing . Now focusing on postop recovery . These tissue expander's are really painful --i am hoping that its only painful this first week and gets better. It feels as if the tissue expander edges are digging into me--pain meds help, but three months of this seems a lot. What is your tissue expander experience ? I also had bloody nose while on taxane plus hercepti. What helped me ws using nasal saline spray several times per day --would try this if y0u haven't already done so . I am so impressed by your amazing physical fitness levels and the goals you are setting for yourself in physical fitness! You are AMAZING!


    Mommy Erin --glad to hear you are moving along . You may have already met with the PS . I echo soxfan' advice --the most important question is asking the PS about radiation effect on reconstruction and his specific results in this situation

    Hugs to all

    Tar

  • Soxfan75
    Soxfan75 Member Posts: 115
    edited June 2017

    Tara17 - Not amazing. Just lucky my SE's have been mild. Thanks for the tip on the saline spray. My MO suggested that today too. I didn't have that issue with tissue expanders at first but there was a point when it was uncomfortable. Once you start getting fills and the tissues expander inflate, you'll find that it gets far more comfortable. After each fill prepare to feel pressure for at least 24 hours. It will feel really tight, probably like it does now.

    I had a minor setback today before chemo. I have a round hole about a 1/4 inch in diameter on the skin sparing side where it was scraped too thin. It hasn't healed up and I'm four months out of surgery. It started oozing slightly over the last couple of weeks so I mentioned it to my MO. They mentioned it to my PS who's in the same hospital and had me go up thereimmediately so she could take a look. She ended up taking out some of the saline on that side so it wouldn't stretch the skin so much and now I'm really lopsided. I have 450ccs on one side and only 210 on the other. Just in time for bikini season. :( Anyway, she stitched it up and said she'll fill it again when it's had a chance to heal and after my last chemo infusion on July 6th. I'm so disappointed but I know it was the right thing to do. It's always something...

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    Hi Soxfan --your determination to keep that high level of physical activity is amazing; definitely inspiring. Thanks for the tip re the TE --i spoke to the PS nurse today and she said that they will likely do my first fill next week and that it shoudl help --echoing what you said. Fingers crossed.


    Sorry to hear that you are dealing with this setback ! --- i am glad it has been promptly addressed before it had a chance to be anything more especially on chemotherapy and i am glad that you continue to do well --keep us informed ; i am sending all good wishes for speedy healing

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    hi all

    This board has been quiet for some time -- i think the ladies who started chemo in march are allcoming towards the end of the chemo regimens or have learnt how to manage the chemo and are marching along. Hope everyone is marching right along without any side effects or only all minor tolerable manageable side effects. I view no news as good news --hope all of you are doing really well ! Just wanted to write that i am thinking of all the ladies of this group and wishing everyone well !

  • Scrafgal
    Scrafgal Member Posts: 631
    edited June 2017

    All

    My first FAC was last Thursday. I've been too ill and weak to post an update. Really ill. Will explain later but suffice it to say that I've never felt this bad in my life. Feel a bit better today but that's not saying much.

    Hope that all of you who suffer are feeling better.

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    scrafgal -- i felt so bad to hear that you have been feelign so ill. I am thinking of you and really sending all good healing vibes your way. This stupid disease --making wonderful women go through so much to get better. I am really hoping you get better soon and get back to your normal self soon, please update us as and when you are able. Thinking of you and sending hugs

  • AliceAgnes
    AliceAgnes Member Posts: 78
    edited June 2017

    Sorry, scrafgal. It seems like first rounds of almost anything can throw a person for a loop. My first week of TCHP was also harrowing.

    I just finished my fifth treatment yesterday and so far, so good. At this stage of the game, resting enough and eating right seem to be the key elements of getting by for me. Yesterday I asked my oncologist and my nutritionist at the cancer center what long-term changes I will need to make. First thing the doc said was I have to get my BMI down because more fat means more estrogen, which means danger for someone who is ER+. The literature I was given recommends 30-60 minutes of daily exercise. The only thing that could work for me is outdoor walking, but I dislike doing that alone. Next week I will begin my search for a local walking companion. So many people I know are into health clubs but I'm just not into that scene. I like to be outside, even in cold weather.

    Other things I learned is I have to cut down on some of my favorite meats--beef, hot dogs, any smoked or processed meats. I am a big meat-eater, especially in cold weather. I crave meat the way I crave sweets (when I am in normal health but not now). I think that being mostly away from these foods since March will make a permanent break easier. I have already discovered that the local custard stand has a wonderful smoothie made from fresh raspberries, blueberries, and strawberries, and these have replaced my former favorite, hot fudge malts. I have also started looking out for interesting recipes for chicken and fish, which are destined to become my new favorite sources of protein. I'm an omnivore. There are really very few foods that I DON'T like. It was the way my mother raised me--"Eat what's here or don't eat at all." I only tried "Don't eat at all" a couple of times before I got with the program.

    By the way, I have made it a practice only to ask questions of my oncologist and nutritionist when I am ready to hear the answers! Timing is everything.

    My 6th and last chemo will be on July 10. I anticipate a unilateral mastectomy sometime during the week of August 7. Reconstruction is not possible because the cancer is multicentric, but I am OK with that.

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    aliceagnes sounds like you are being so proactive about diet and exercise ! Even walking has been shown to have good benefits. Wishing you good luck with surgery --if you indeed want to think about reconsutrctuon and its not possible at this time, will delayed reconsutriction down the road be an option for you maybe ? There's lots of good information on the reconstruction forums here. All the best to you

  • MommyErin
    MommyErin Member Posts: 187
    edited June 2017

    Soxfan75- That sucks! I hope you heal quickly!

    Scarfgal- So sorry to hear you aren't feeling well. My first TCHP treatment was by far my worst. I'm hoping your consecutive treatments are better.

    AliceAgnes- So good to hear #5 hasn't been too bad for you thus far. I get my 5th TCHP treatment tomorrow, will be finishing up July 13th, and will likely have surgery the same week as you as well. I'll be thinking about you. Exercise has definitely kept me sane throughout all this. My husband has been good about getting me out for a walk on the days I'm not feeling up to it. And when I am feeling well, I'm all about classes at the gym. I hope you're able to find that walking buddy soon!

    Tara17- I know you struggled before your surgery, and I find I'm starting to get to that point. What's really gotten me through chemo are those two weeks of feeling well between treatments where I can get to the gym and still keep up in my aerobic classes. Those weeks I feel like I'm back to my energetic self and can forget about cancer; I feel normal. The thought of not being able to do anything physically for more than a week is really freaking me out. Not knowing when I'm going to bounce back and feel normal again after surgery really scares me.

    On a positive note, I had a PET scan on Wednesday, and based on the report my onc sent me, the scan could not detect any cancer! I realize there could still be microscopic cancer in my body, but all the tumors are gone at least; nothing in my breast or liver. It's amazing what these treatments can do!

    Stay strong ladies! Thinking about you all.

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited June 2017

    mommyerin -- every emotion you have before mastectomy is totally valid and very normal. This is the first thing I would say --accept every emotion as valid. What helped me was the following -- reading messages of support on this forum from women who have been through this, talking to a few close friends who encouraged me, journaling . I think what happens after surgery is that one has already experienced so many emotions preoperatively that waking up from surgery is just a relief . And then hang on to that feelign of relief and go from there in terms of progress. And most of all , so happy for your PET

  • Soxfan75
    Soxfan75 Member Posts: 115
    edited June 2017

    AliceAgnes and MommyErin - I'm a few days ahead of you on TCHP treatments as I have my 6th and final one on July 6th. I don't know about you ladies, but I'm starting to feel the cumulative effect. It's not terrible, but it's definitely more noticeable than in the past.

    MommyErin - I'm so happy to hear about your PET scan. Such great news!!!!

    Scrafgal - It's been a few days since your chemo. Are you starting to feel better? How long before your next one?

    Tara17 - How's your healing coming along? Do you have your drains out yet?

    My stitched up hole seems to be healing fine. Hopefully they'll be able to start filling that expander again by mid-July. I hate having lopsided boobs.

    I know this isn't the board for this, but I need to vent a bit. Some of you know that I've been cold capping to save my hair and I've been cruising along pretty well to this point only having lost about 15% of it or so. Well, TCHP #5 has been a real bitch. I've lost as much hair in the 10 days since TCHP #5 as I did in between any of the other treatments and there was 3 weeks between those. No one can tell yet, but the at the rate the hair is falling out it won't be long before it starts looking really thin. I feel like I'm losing control over the one thing in this shit storm that I actually felt like I had some control over. I'm scared that I won't any hair left after having gone through so much to save it. I know this isn't the forum to complain about this, so I apologize, but thanks for letting me rant.

  • Scrafgal
    Scrafgal Member Posts: 631
    edited June 2017

    Soxfan75, Tara17, MommyErin, AliceAgnes and all,

    I am MUCH better now.  I actually was going to post something tomorrow, since my sister will be leaving town and I will have time to settle down more. My sister (who live in another city, really far away) has been with me since the night before my first FAC infusion on June 15th.  She was planning to just stay a few days, but when she saw how ill I had become, she decided to stay until tomorrow (10 days).  She will come back before my next infusion on July 6 and stay another 10 days.  She will be with me for each of the four infusions. She teaches, so at least she is flexible in the summer. 

    For the past four days, I've been eating pretty well, even though I am still fatigued.  Two days after my infusion, after the steroid wore off, I became so nauseated and ill that I couldn't keep food/drink down.  Saturday night I went to the ER, after speaking with the oncologist on call. He wanted to be sure that I was not becoming dehydrated. They kept me overnight and hydrated me (IV), released me on Sunday morning, and things started to turn around by Monday morning.  It was an awful experience.  The Zophran was not working for the 12 hours recommended, so they told me to start taking it every 8 hours for the first three days after the infusion.  I have no idea about whether the Compazine worked for "breakthough nausea" because by the time I realized it, well, it was too late.  I lost the contents of my stomach along with the Compazine pill!

    I am grateful that my stomach has settled.  I feel that I can return to Pilates and Tai Chi this week.  I am dreading my next chemo (on ,u birthday, can you believe it?!?!?), but I need to have faith that it won't be as bad.  At least I know that it will get better after 4-5 days.  Not knowing if my misery would end was really torturous! 

    Soxfan, I have not been cold capping and currently I am sporting a kiwifruit level on hair on my scalp! I cried when I lost my hair, even though I didn't really try to save it. It was so distressing for me, and I didn't think that it would be as hard as it was to lose it!  I know how you feel about wanting to control SOMETHING.  I haven't figured it out yet. However, I am starting to think that the only thing that I can control is how I respond to all of the craziness that this disease creates. I am trying to find something to be grateful for EVERY DAY, in the midst of this ordeal.  Just a few days ago, I was simply grateful to have two eggs and a side of grits (and to be able to taste it almost normally)--the first real breakfast that I had been able to eat in a week!  It was all that I had prayed for only days earlier--to be delivered from my misery. I hope that things turn out okay with your hair after working so hard at keeping it. Keep us posted and vent here all that you please!

    Tara17...Those tissue expanders are something else!!!  It only started to hurt less once I was cleared to do Pilates, again, after the surgery.  The post-surgical exercises were not providing enough stretching tension for me because I was used to working out harder. Also, my PS told me that because I work out regularly, my pec muscles were stronger than average, especially for a 50 year old. Usually being in shape is a good thing.  However, with tissue expanders, tight/firm pecs means more post-surgical pain. At this point (my surgery was in Feb), I am aware that it is there but it is not painful.  As long as I work out, things seem fine. When I was down after this FAC, I didn't do Pilates and it feels a little bit tighter there. I will work that kink out tomorrow!. Hopefully, you are not in too much pain.

    Thank you, all, for sending hugs, prayers and messages to me over the past week or so.  It's been the toughest of all of my weeks on chemo, since MARCH!

  • Scrafgal
    Scrafgal Member Posts: 631
    edited June 2017

    MommyErin,

    That was an amazing report on your scan!!  What great news!

  • AliceAgnes
    AliceAgnes Member Posts: 78
    edited June 2017

    Hello, all. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to rant, rant away. This is a safe place to do it. I am simultaneously losing dark hair in the back while growing new white peach fuzz on top. It looks pretty clear that white hair will replace the dark hair I once had but I am the right age for that, anyway, and I finally get to catch up with my older sister. White hair at a certain age runs in the family.

    I am really down for the count with my 5th TCHP, too, but my doctor told me I'd probably be taking more naps with the 5th and 6th treatments and I certainly am. I also find myself running short of breath doing ordinary tasks, but I have been told that's normal, too.

    The good thing is that all the rest and the caution with diet and meds seems to be keeping nausea controlled. I had noticed a pattern that always on the Sunday-Monday immediately following a Monday infusion, I got sick. I was told to take a prochloroperazine tablet every Sunday night before bed and then one when I got up in the morning on Monday. I did this today and it kept the worst of the worst at bay.

    No food tastes good to me now, but I seem to manage the best with soup and crackers.

    I just try to keep my eyes on the prize--one more chemo after this and that part of recovery is over!

    Thanks, everyone, for sharing what you are going through. My misery loves your company...it's better to hang together than hang separately... etc. etc. :)

  • MommyErin
    MommyErin Member Posts: 187
    edited June 2017

    Soxfan75- Vent away girl! This all sucks, and the fact you've worked so hard to keep your hair makes it suck even more that you're losing some. I've had minimal hair loss after my 2nd-4th treatments, but now I'm losing most of my eyelashes and eyebrows following my 5th. Add acne and weight gain to it and I am so over all this! One more to go though. We can do it!

    Tara17- Thank you for the thoughtful words. How are you doing with your recovery? How are the TEs? Give it to me straight ;-) I know a lot of my feelings come from fear of the unknown, so I'm sure I will feel so much relief when the surgery is over. I've started to cope with a little retail therapy...cute button-up pjs for recovery.

    Scrafgal- So glad to hear you're feeling better! Thinking about you.

    AliceAgnes- One more! Woohoo! You got this. Hang in there.

  • Limonia
    Limonia Member Posts: 53
    edited July 2017

    Hello everyone,

    I'm catching up on all of your postings and good to see how you are all doing. I just completed by 2nd/3 treatment Tuesday of FEC (fluorouracil, epirubicin cyclophosphamide). That will be followed by 3 treatments of docetaxel (Taxotere). Whew - it has been a ride. The first tx was very challenging for me. Although there's still been nausea in the 2nd tx, they added some meds so it was bad but not as bad. The nurse told me on the first tx that I would be sensitive to nausea as I actually reacted during the infusion.

    On another note, I'm having this very weird reaction right now - my upper spine near neck feels warm and sore. could this at all be related to the neulasta shot I got on Thursday morning? I will be having neulasta shots after each tx. No reactions from the first. This is such a strange feeling. I will take my temp, and if no temp and still tomorrow will take a reactine. Any feedback?

    In terms of the hair, that's a story for another day. It was shaved Monday when it had really started falling out so much over the weekend. I have a full wig, a half wig (that I wear under a cap or bandana), and a wonderful woman I was connected to (by a friend), who is a survivor (across the country from me) mailed me the bandanas she used during her tx two years ago so I feel they are 'good luck' in a way.


    Nighty night ladies, and looking forward to reading your replies!


    Limonia,

  • Limonia
    Limonia Member Posts: 53
    edited July 2017

    MommyErin - I just wanted to reflect that what I'm finding is that the less we fight/push against our experience, the easier (in a weird way) it is to get through. You might not have as much energy the first week as others...it doesn't mean you're not yourself or that you won't feel better or that you're not an active person. It means that your body needs rest to recuperate and renew...it knows what to do. It will need to nap and rest and maybe even complain or vent....it doesn't mean you won't be yourself. Not sure if that makes sense...

  • Tara17
    Tara17 Member Posts: 386
    edited July 2017

    Soxfan--this is absolutely the place where you vent about anything to do with chemo! It is incredibly frustrating that you go through all the trouble of cold cap to not have it work as well as you would like it to --i hope the hair loss slows down ; keep us posted ---the cold cap may yet pay off more in terms of hair coming back sooner too


    Scrafgal --am glad you felt better and were able to update us. Stay well and i hope you tolerate comng cycles better !


    Mommyerin --the TEs were the worst the first week when i could feel it poking inside me; once they started a fill , it seems like the plastic lifted off; i feel pressure but tolerable. The first 48 hours after a fill are tough but manageable with pain meds


    Limonia --how does your neck feel now ? Any fever ? Neulasta is known to cause bone pain, but not sure abotu the neck pain


    Thinking of all you amazing ladies and sending good wishes your way

    Hugs

    Tara


  • Gigilala
    Gigilala Member Posts: 148
    edited July 2017

    I had my last TCHP last week I was very excited that i m done with chemo but unfortunately I had all SE

    Now I'm dealing with big D hemorrhoid and cramp

    And the big problem that I cannot eat i force myself to drink

    Tomorrow I need to go to the hospital for a bag of fluid

    Best wishes everyone

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