So paranoid

GAMomma,

I had a robotic hysterectomy in February. The reason was pelvic pain. Best night's sleep I had since BC diagnosis in June 2017.

Why did I sleep so well in a hospital of all places? I finally had control of something I could keep cancer away from.

Recovery was easy. I walked 10 floor rounds the evening of surgery.

Coach Vicky

GAMomma, open surgery is an option. Mine was done in open surgery -- a TAH-BSO surgery. There is a little hospital time, the recovery is rougher and takes longer, and there is a long time of lifting restriction.

I don't see it as paranoid, I see it as concerned and wanting answers. Continue to advocate for your health and solutions instead of bandaids like you said.

GAMomma,

I am pasting a post from another community (Triple Positive). My hope is that it will help you deal with those medical people that have not performed to your standard.

I think TonLee's perspective is AWESOME! I love her #2 paragraph.

Coach Vicky

Beavercreek, Oh Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,601

TonLee wrote:

Two years I've been on this board.

I've read several accounts of women who struggle with a desire to be polite vs speaking up about incompetent medical care, poor bedside manner, asking questions, asking for proof, etc. Have read them, have experienced them myself!

The vast majority of this heartache seems to come from a hesitancy to be "rude." If like me, you come to this Breast Cancer table a healthy adult all your life, you probably have no idea how to deal with an uncomfortable, even painful situation, in a medical setting.

Don't get me wrong. I do believe most people in the medical community are compassionate, educated, and on top of their game.

But even the best have "off" days. Having a plan to minimize the effect on you is worth the mental toil and preparation!

This isn't just about Oncologists and surgeons. It involves every single person you come into contact with during your tx, primarily the ones who TOUCH you.

I am not a naturally calm retiring personality. Yet, even I struggled with how to be assertive in the medical sphere without being offensive. Doctor knows best, right?

Well.....

Here are a few things I wish I knew going in:

1. HAVE A PLAN

Not a treatment plan necessarily, but a rough outline of how you will deal with medical incompetence, uncomfortable situations, etc.

Ways you are comfortable executing. And I encourage you to practice them out loud.

You are going to be in treatment for a while, months, years even, and for some, the rest of your life. More than likely you will run into situations in which you are certain the person is incompetent, dirty, or you simply aren't confident in their ability for one reason or another.

If you've thought about a strategy to handle a bad situation, it makes things far easier, far calmer, and more expedient to implement.

2. THINGS TO REMEMBER (every step of the way).

1. This person works for you. Period.

2. This isn't a car, it is YOUR BODY. You will live with the consequences long after the tech/Onc/Nurse etc go home to their families and forget about you. You have final say in what happens and what does not happen to it. Period.

3. Advocate for your body like you would a child's, a husband's, a best friend's.

4. No matter what the Dr/nurse/tech/whoever says, they are NOT the boss of you!

(Okay that last one I don't always say to myself....it's the gist I'm trying to relay here, lol.)

Here are some of my hard learned "rules." They apply to me, but may not apply to everyone's personality or situation. Please read them with that in mind.

1. I don't mind trainees, but they get one shot for a vein or procedure. After that, I am asking politely for an experienced doctor/tech/nurse/whoever. I will get one, or I will simply stop the procedure and leave. If in the middle of a procedure, I'm not a hostage. I will insist on a replacement and be willing to wait them out. Or worst case, leave and go to the ER.

2. Walking out is ALWAYS an option. Barring emergency medical tx, there isn't anything that can't be rescheduled as far as I'm concerned. A few days won't make much of a difference, and even if it does, so be it.

3. If someone makes me uncomfortable, doesn't wash their hands before touching me, seems overly nervous, ..in short if I feel they do not know what they are doing, I will stop the procedure immediately. Explain, in a nice way, that I am not comfortable and have no confidence in their ability, and would prefer to reschedule/have them call for a replacement/etc. Insist on it.

3. GOOD COP BAD COP

If you are a more retiring personality, and have a husband, wife, adult child, friend, WHOEVER..tag teaming is always a bonus.

You can discuss in private your idea of how your tx should go. What is and isn't acceptable. Your advocate can then go all attack dog when some sweaty incompetent tech drips all over you while stabbing your arm with a needle at least 10 times! (What?!? True story.)

Example: My husband is great in this role even though I don't need him to be most of the time. A trainee tech tried to draw blood from my arm once, got the vein on the first hit, but forgot the tourniquet.

No blood came out. He kept pushing and pulling the plunger trying to use suction, blood into vile, blood out. Before I could say anything, (I wasn't paying close attention because I was talking to a lady beside me and his work hurt) hubby told the kid to "get away from my wife. I'm not even a medical professional and I know you don't draw blood without a tourniquet. Where did you go to school? Get the hell out of here and find someone who knows what they're doing.")

The trainee left, the boss came in, done in 15 seconds.

Now my husband may have over-reacted a tad. lol In his defense, we'd had a series of appts that day, all of which involved trainees, and none of which went well on the first try.

But even if you have an advocate, it's good to have things in your arsenal...they can't be with you every second and fight all your dragons!

Here are some of my "go to" phrases:

1. "I'm not comfortable with this. Would you mind finding someone else to do it?"

2. "I understand your points. I hear you. But, this is what I've decided. Are you willing to do it?" (Be ready to move on if the professional says no.)

3. "This is not working for me. I'd like to speak with your supervisor."

4. "This is unacceptable. I'm not going to go any further until (insert what you want here)."

5. "I'd like to see the patient advocate on staff."

6. "Look, I appreciate that you tried, but this is not working. I'd like to see someone else."

7. "Can you give me the research to back that up?"

8. "Have you seen this latest study?" (Always bring a copy!)

Please feel free to add any additional insight or lessons you've learned a long the way and wish you knew at the beginning.

Hope this helps

My best to you.

Tonya