Dirt -- Should you make dirt apart of your life
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Back to dirt. DBF is an HVAC guy, the dirt and icky areas he gets into. UGH. If he's into slime(bacteria loaded scum). He's trained to strip in the garage, clothes into the washer with soap and bleach, and him into the shower.
What's interesting about his immune system is, he get's cuts and slices all the time while he's working. He never stops to wash them. Just wraps some duct or electrical tape around the wound and keeps on working like the energizer bunny. I used to fuss and say he ought to be on antibiotics, stitches.....medical stuff right. Never once in 5 years has he been infected. Never had a wound edge get red or pus.
His immune system has rarely rarely been exposed to antibiotics
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I do worry a lot about his lungs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he refuses to wear a mask when in dust or fiberglass. He has no clue the danger. The dust he's in should require a mask. I'm not talking house dust. This is dust of all horrible circumstances. Fiberglass--sheesh. He's a lung cancer candidate waiting to happen or sarcoidosis. But he has a hx since the early 1980's. So, believe it or not, I accept. How does that prayer go. When it hit's him, I think it will be overwhelming. My heart worries, but he is a bull. He believes nothing will touch him.. Perhaps, I'm wrong. Time will tell
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Sassy, it's amazing how some people etc. can get into the nastiest dirt/scum and not be affected by it. We've got so much decayed leaves and weeds and crap in our pond that if you step in the water the smell alone will kill you! We had our pond water tested a few years ago before we ate any of the fish that comes out of it. The results were amazing! We were told we have a very healthy pond and the fish were healthy as well. While the gentleman was collecting the water samples he said it'd be neat if he could actually see some of our fish. I threw some fish food in and the look on his face when the huge catfish swarmed was priceless! On his tour of the pond we had an over abundance of baby bass, catfish, sunfish, minnows and bluegill. He said he didn't need to test the water as our fish were reproducing and had vibrant color. We had him run the test anyway and it came back as a very healthy environment to raise fish in. It still stinks if you step in it! And I'm not touching it! Nasty! 😷
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sas-schatzi, superbugs have also developed, in part, due to the use of antibiotics in livestock, not to treat disease, but for growth enhancement. The wide-spread exposure of our food to antibiotics, some that seem to remain in the food chain, means that even if we are vigilant about not taking antibiotics when they aren't needed and finishing our doses as prescribed when we do (although the length of treatment has also been called into questions in recent research), we are getting 'dosed' when we aren't looking. The rise of the superbug is a pretty complex, and absolutely frightening, phenomenon.
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Thanks, MTwoman, two very important points Thanks
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This is seriously upsetting and creepy. I went to retrieve an old post from an old thread. The topic box is there, but the posts are gone-------201,,, Just puff, gone...........I've written to the Mods. In 9 years I've never seen anything like this. Plus, this is the thread that Shep told me was plagiarized on the internet. I found it on the net, but didn't look here. I wrote the Mods then about the plagiarizing. UGH this makes me sick. I worked on that thread all summer of 2015. Oddles about the microbiome. I went to retrieve a post on dirt when I found it empty.
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Created by: sas-schatzi on Jun 18, 2015 05:15PM
Latest post: Jun 21, 2016 04:21PM by sas-schatzi
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As to being buried with, not just in, dirt—one of the most popular souvenirs of visitors to Israel is a little sachet of soil from the Holy Land (and most prized, from the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, the site where it is prophesied that when the dead are resurrected at the onset of the World to Come, those buried in the Mount of Olives cemetery—the most righteous people of the earth--will be the first to get the wake-up call). The sachet is either placed in the casket or the contents sprinkled thereon, to intermingle with the shovelsful of domestic dirt customarily thrown atop the casket by attendees at the conclusion of Jewish graveside services. Given the number of people buried each year with a packet of supposed Mount of Olives dirt (sometimes supplied by funeral homes both Jewish & Christian), it's a miracle that there's any soil remaining there. (Another popular souvenir among Christian visitors is a vial of Jordan River water—assuming all the water in those vials is from that river, it should be noted that Jesus didn't travel the length of that river baptizing people, but rather did so in a small portion of the river).
Sometimes it's tough to draw the line between faith, superstition, and “magical thinking" (the latter not necessarily being customary but sometimes unique to the individual). Far be it from me to pick up that pencil.
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Whew, the thread is back, but the Mods saw the absent thread page too. Without anyone seeing it, I felt like I was in an alternative universe Hahahaha. Now to bring back the link I was going for.................
Chi very interesting stories. I very much like cultural stories. It's probably and easy observation for me too say from a cultural standpoint, history does have stories of all cultures having stories re:dirt and water. It stands to reason without them we wouldn't survive.
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Below are two links the first is to a study done on indigenous people in Venuezula. The second link is about the study. Probably easier to read the second link first.
the study http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/3/e1500183
Article on the study http://www.techtimes.com/articles/47066/20150419/gut-bacteria-amazonian-tribe-reveals-new-information-human-microbiome.htm
The reason I have brought them here is the Bugs that the scientists cultured ultimately are found in the DIRT. The environment that this tribe has lived in forever hasn't been homogenized by manmade chemicals.
The conclusion of the study is that it will take years and years to categorize all the bacteria's and other microrganisms b/c they have never been seen. They don't fit into categories that exist in science right now. It's as if these researchers closed their eyes, then opened them and a whole new world appeared that was full of millions of new flowers and trees, and bugs Hhahahaha.
My conclusion: it does point out that we the " advanced" peoples worldwide, have altered our environment, the micro-organisms in and on us. We continue to try to remove more organisms from our environment. This upsets the equilibrium. Bacteria are more resilient than we are. We need to develop better ways to deal with them.
First days plan: I shall not dust
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I think that your point ties in nicely with the tenant of biodiversity. The more diverse our ecosystem (or microbiome) is, the healthier. We, as a society, have gotten so ingrained in maximizing "output" that we've allowed agribusiness to create huge monocultures around our nation, as opposed to diverse agriculture that supports various species both in and above the soil. And then the monocultures "need" to be fed, as they continue to take the same things from the soil, and "maintained" or "protected" by sterilizing the environment and putting pesticides on them. sigh. I like your idea of starting to support biodiversity at home, by not dusting
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There are two youtube video's I'd like you to see. I've found one. I'll continue to look for the other. They may over lap, but they are so interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYqD9WK-Voc
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All I can add to all of this is that I played in the dirt today! I've got a lot of reading to catch up on!
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MT woman, very good points. I think you will have fun reading about the indigenous people biodiversity. The scientists were so funny, Like kids in a candy shop.
Wenchi see what you started LOL.
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Can't wait to watch!
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MT woman they are an article and a study. You have to visualize the excitement in their words. Even in really dull study words, I can pick out excitement.
I've read to many studies..............................heheheheheheeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Just today I thought about poop. The chickens have pooped all over the barn. The baby ducks poop all over their pen. The pony and donkey poop and the chickens scratch through it. The dogs eat the horse poop, the cat poop, the goose poop. Yep life is about poop. Can't live without it. That must be why I'm so darn healthy- dealing with all the poop. Thus ends my musings for the day.
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Ooh pthtttt! I saw the youtube link and thought, "oh goody!". Okay, then, I'll read
I've read a fair few studies myself - some of them dry as . . . dirt! 
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MYWomam, LOL
Sassy, my mom told me I was always starting stuff all the time! lol
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OMD, how so seriously funny, everyone is. What a joy. Now get to work and read the article about the indiginious(sic) Venuzeuwlian (sic big time). If we are going to take Dirt seriously, we have to know how real dirt applies to us.
Unadulterated dirt which is the source of the Bacteria within this community is a big deal. It accounts for bacteria, fungi, and ecterra, that is going to take years to develop pylla and or phllum's. This may save the world. Yes, I have been trying to be funny. May or may not have worked,.
This find, in a space untouched by previous mankind, that is sssssso "rich" in bacteria and the folks so healthy, may lend to the health of the world. Let's hope it doesn't get mucked up
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I shall do my part for biodiversity today and pick up my dog's poop, but not dust.
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I'll do my share and go play in my garden. I had to dust tho, it was getting pretty thick lol
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We all have expressed an aversion to dusting. So, my science mind says"HMMMMmmmmm wonder if anyone has studied house dust?" Yes, having a dinner party right now waiting for the wine to arrive. I will get back to this. BUT the organic garden is better than house dust. So, need to study house dust to see how we can eliminate the chemicals in our dust.
Always sumpin!
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Dinner was lovely. I have been studying since. Have you ever been in the situation where you wished you hadn't asked the question? This is one of those times. Dust can be hazardous to your health. Also, how you clean it can be even more hazardous to your health. Having pets can change the composition of dust, but that is logical. Having a male in the house can change the composition of dust. Where you live and how many pizza's(the box) you get a week can change your dust.
The amount of information is somewhat formidable. Then I was reminded of a long ago book "The Nontoxic Home and Office" Went to my bookshelf and it was still there. Published 1992. Subtitled "Eliminate Indoor Pollution & Sick Building Syndrome. This was "breaking news" stuff when it was published in 1992. The most relevant terms now are eco-friendly and going green. I thought rather than wasting life minutes on talking too much about the chemicals to avoid, let's just go to the solutions.
still typing
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Let's do the easy first. General statement. When dusting use gloves for two reasons.1. if using commercial wipes they have oodles of chemicals that have been measured in the urine. This is an indicator of absorption through the skin. 2. documented hand to mouth ingestion of chemicals, bacteria, and fungi. Hand washing post cleaning. I definitely thought if using chemicals the gloves were a really good idea.
Also, consider a mask as when you are stirring things up into the air you avoid inhaling them. Use of a hepa filter on the vacuum.
I'm going to review the eco friendly non-toxic cleaners and see what's new beyond the old standby's of vinegar and borax. But that's enough for tonight.
Edit: The mask may seem extreme, but everything is relative. Depends on individual sensitivity, dust level, and daily exposure. I keep up with daily things , but have a gal come in every two weeks for deep cleaning. She cleans 5 days a week. Tomorrow I will tell her what I have learned tonight. I will recommend that she wear gloves all the time. More b/c of the chemical exposure versus bacteria/fungi. I will, also, recommend a mask. This has to do with her 8hours(+) a day exposure to particulates. This can freak out some of her clients, I'm sure. But I've figured out a line, "I'm sensitive to dust, this helps my allergies". How's that?
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This post is a cut and paste with editing from a query by PM from a friend here. I'm posting it b/c it has direct application to what I studied tonight and was very frustrated with the inadequacies of the articles. This I suppose falls under the word rant.
"That thread I did about Evidenced based Research, I tried to put in examples of what I've learned along the way about EBR. Plus, on the Toradol thread I tried to explain how studies, abstracts, and articles about studies work.
I've been working on the Dirt thread recently. Did some work on Dust tonight. Very dismayed about the articles on the subject. Not a one had a link to an original study. Seriously pissed me off. There was one article that referred to a meta-analysis of 26(?) studies and identified all the bigwigs from bigwig universities or agencies. Sounded like I hit the mother load and I could stop searching. Basically, a POS article b/c it had no bibliography and the links only went to other articles without bibliographies. I may even cut and paste what I just said b/c without a true connection to the study, it is has no value to me for verifying info..
This is the exact reason I love Medscape. They have the abstract, the study, and if you look to the right sidebar, they're is (almost) always an article written in lay language about the study. Plus, they have in that same right sidebar, a list of other studies related to the same topic."
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Ah-hah thought of something else to improve air quality in the home. This thought is b/c my DBF is HVAC guy-----heating, ventilation, and air conditioning. Changing the air filters on the return air ducts on a routine basis. This can be a real hazard to air quality if not done routinely. Plus, if the return air duct is clogged , it increases air resistance which affects function of the machine. Also, allows for mold and mildew growth.
If you have a regular HVAC guy ask him to purchase filters from the wholesaler by the box. Donnie gets them for me at cost. approximately 3.25$ per unit. If I buy it at Publix's, they are near 15$. The key is the HVAC guy's mark up. If you are a regular, talk them into lowering their mark up b/c you are a GREAT customer.
Plus, consider if you don't have return air ducts in each room(each bedroom and a central one), having your HVAC guy add them. It improves work of the HVAC system (saves on energy) and air quality b/c each has an air filter---sucking that air dust.
Donnie's asleep, but I will try and have him read this post to make sure I "got it right".
5/26/2017 Donnie read it and said I got it right
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LINK to Evidenced Based Research thread ---info on researching
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/73/topics/834695?page=1#idx_19.
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Was trying to find an old post for a friend and ran across this post. It's relevant here b/c it's basic premise is we try to sanitize to much.
Feb 27, 2015 01:27PM sas-schatzi wrote:
TO All this has been in the news recently. This link to UCLA presents the "Hygiene Hypothesis" in a well thought out easy to read sequence. Thoughts re: this concept have been tossed around for decades. There are many studies being conducted and published to prove the hypothesis. One study, for example, showed that children that came from home where dishes were hand washed versus washed in the dishwasher had less allergies etc.
The consequences of all these research studies coming out in close time to each other, is going to lead to a major change in how children are raised. I'd have to do a different search to see what is being done with adults. The industries related to convincing people to sanitize everything are NOT going to be happy. The second and third links identify several studies in each article.
http://fooddrugallergy.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=40#hygiene-hypothesis
This is on peanut allergies. It's all over the news right now. I chose this link b/c she included much of the data in an understandable way. This research should be passed onto anyone you know with small children so they can talk with their doc.
http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2015/02/eating-peanuts-prevents-allergy
This is an article about the difference in allergies statisticsin children with eczema and what all...... Dishwashers vs handwashing., fermented foods. It's a little technical, but you will get the gist of it.
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Hey Schatzi,
I read in March, that at the AAAAI annual conference, they were actually discussing the new standard protocol on peanut exposure in children and hammering out how to implement them! ("We now have new guidelines from NIAID and the American Academy of Pediatrics")
https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/aaaai/63488
The reason some pediatricians aren't up to speed is that there have been confusion about practical details of implementation. But all Allergists, Asthma and Immunologists should be aware of the new protocols and able to do or support challenge testing per the new protocols. (which I read, but have to remember where exactly to find that link)
BTW - did you know Schatzi is German for "treasure" and is a very commonly used name for a sweetheart (similar to saying 'honey' or 'dear')
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One more little interesting tidbit for the day. One study I was reading looked at metabolites from Chestnut heartwood (that is used sometimes to make casks for storing wine). " The(se) results highlight the occurrence of triterpenoid saponins in sweet chestnut heartwood and their potential for the chemoprevention of breast cancer."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28363853
So, if I can extrapolate those results, drinking more wine may be therapeutic!
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