Stage 3 Breast Cancer
I just want to wake up from this nightmare.
All i can do is think of my 4 children.
Everything is moving so fast....IDC w/two lymph nodes involved - Grade 2, Stage 3. Calcifications under the Mass DCIS.
I still need all the Pet scans, CT, MRI's..
I meet an Oncologist Monday, a second opinion Female Surgeon Tuesday.
Treatment first or Surgery first. I've decided to remove both breasts...what type of reconstruction? I'm gonna lose my hair...
I broke down talking about reconstruction today with the Surgeon, "If I even live through the treatments in order to reach the reconstruction." I'm in shock...Stage 3 Breast Cancer....
All of you Angel's that have been through this and help and comfort those of us going thru this storm....you are truly my role model.
😢❤
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Hugs to you.
I was dx with stage 3 BC 13 years ago. I have not recurred.
There is hope. Yes, you do need to go thru surgery, and treatment and you might lose your hair. But you can do it and there is hope.
Wishing you all the best and sending you strength.
wallan
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It's a lot to process when you first get the news. But know that once you have a treatment plan in place, it does get easier. The not knowing and the waiting was the worst for me. And the majority of all bc pts these days do live longer lives. Look at wallan above. 13 years out! There are threads here where people have posted their 5 year, 10 year, 15 year anniversary of being cancer free. And note that many members here have left the boards because they are far enough out and are doing well. Some of us stick around afterwards to help others and also keep informed. There's a lot of new stuff coming down the pike. The meds I'm on now I may not need to be on for the next 10 years. There may be something out even better that replaces this and for a shorter time. Who knows. So try not to think too far ahead. It sounds like you're in the meeting phase. Once the scans they want you to do are done then starts forming the treatment plan. Most of us had sx first but there are some who had chemo first. All depends on your profile.
What I suggest. Be your own advocate. You came to the right place for info esp since a lot of it docs don't have time to give everything. I bought a planner which had a ton of space under each day. You'll need a good calendar for all the appts. In black I'd write my question. Leave some space. Took it with me to the appt and wrote the answer in red. Journaling also helped me. On another board I have a diary that's mainly for myself but others have been following it too. It's not organized and it's very long, personal stuff mixed in, which is why I don't link it here. Too hard to follow as my goal was to get my thoughts out and to jot what I learned down for myself.
Keep busy. 4 kids ought to do it. I had 2 months before sx so it was a long wait for me. I just dug in these boards, journaled and was determined to become very informed and smart about this, not to just rely on the docs. I took it as a challenge, not a fun one, but one nonetheless.
Best wishes. Hang in there and read and post. Tons of info and support here.
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I'm stage IIIB three years post treatment and my recent scan found no evidence of the disease You'll get through treatment with less drama that you imagine. As Artista recommends, be your own advocate and follow every stage of treatment with due diligence. This not only ensures you understand what's going on, but also lets your practitioners know you expect the best care possible.
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This part is truly the worst. I'm coming up to one year of my diagnosis and it's unbelievable to be here now, looking back. I never thought life would ever be normal again. I never thought I'd survive. And yet here I am after mastectomy, chemotherapy, and radiation. I lost the breast and I lost my hair and now, looking at me, you'd never know that I spent seven months going through cancer treatment. Of course, it's part of your life in big and small ways, but I promise, it gets easier. You'll get a plan in place and then you'll set milestones, and in between these milestones you'll have some normalcy. Kids force you into that. You take it one step at a time, one treatment at a time. And it feels endless and hopeless and so scary, and then...it's the other side. Be patient with yourself. Know that this feeling won't last forever. Know that we've all been there, been in that same moment, lived those same fears. You've got this, mama. We've got you.
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I'm 7+ yrs (Aug '09) post DX for Stage IIIc IBC. Still here, still NED (No Evidence of Disease) as of 2 weeks ago when I went to my every 6 month check up, still living/loving each day to the utmost. I am still as much an active outdoor woman as ever - riding my horses, bicycling, mowing/gardening, fishing/flyfishing, canoeing, camping, etc. Yeah I do have more 'aches and pains' as my arthritis had definitely gotten worse over the yrs but I refuse to give into it and not do all that I enjoy doing, makes me 'happy' and keeps me young.
Actually, I was 'glad' to be only Stage III and not IV. With my DX I never 'worried' about the Stage - it's the Type (IBC) that was more of a concern (for lack of a better word) back then. The 'odds' of someone that is IBC making to 5 yrs was 1 out of 4 so all the more reason to live every moment to the utmost.
There are no guarantees in life as to what 'tomorrow' (or the next minute/hour/day/etc.) might bring to anyone. This will sound strange to many but I can think of other health issues that could have developed that (for me) would have been a lot worse as far as being able to have a great QOL after happening. Major heart or lung issues would definitely have had a far worse outcome on my QOL
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dearest, I am so sorry that you are dealing with this in your life. This time is the most diifficult. Starting treatments, having surgery and the fear of it all. Once Settled on your treatment plan and you get started you will feel more in control, which in its way is comforting.
BUT you will get through it all. We've all been there. Check out the stage III board, and you gets lots of reassurance.
I was where you are 12 years ago. With a stage III C diagnosis, and am sbsoultely fine nowCome on these boards often, it will help. You will be okay
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I'm so sorry - it will get better. It is all so overwhelming and is all consuming for a very long time.
Once you get a plan in place, it will get easier. But as you already know, life changes dramatically.
YOU WILL make it through. It doesn't feel like it, but you will. Sending encouragement!
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All of you are so encouraging. I so appreciate you. There really is a lot to think about.
There's so much information coming at you at one time. I have referrals coming from everywhere it seems. There's so many doctors to see, so many tests to do, treatments will have to be figured out. And you hope it's the right treatment for your body makeup. Which I know that's what the path results and blood work is for...but u hope the Dr. reads it all and doesn't make a mistake on anything which may cause ill effects.
It was also brought to my attention about reconstruction immediately after the double Mastectomy. I thought about leaning towards the DIEP Flap but I haven't had enough time to research all the options and what the benefits vs non benefits would be to each option.
I do have to say, although myself and my husband feel overwhelmed with so much at one time, it's so relieving to know that there have been others in our same shoes that have been successful in their battle. I appreciate you all for all of your encouraging words. I hope to get back to each of your replies and respond. You all have been through SO much. Although I am sorry you have had to endure the storm, I am in awww at the "new home" you have built after the storm was over.
I appreciate each and every one of you. (((Hugs)))
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Do we do Chemo and Radiation before surgery or after.
I feel like I'm in a rush to decide what kind of reconstruction and I haven't had a chance to look into each one. I noticed on my portal the Surgeon said "Surgery scheduled, hospital will call for...." and I am still planning on seeing a second opinion dr on Tuesday and Oncologist on Monday.
Everything is moving so fast....
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I'm also concerned about chemo and radiation if done after surgery because I read that it can hinder the blood flow in the blood vessels of the breast and kill the new tissue, causing tissue death. So I'm just at a point, I'm confused about decisions. Implants or flaps, below the muscle or above and how does each one look.
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hi mommie2 - I hope to not add to your research stress this weekend, but many stage 3 who are being treated now are doing neoadjuvant chemotherapy - having several rounds of chemotherapy before surgery - with the main goal of shrinking the tumor for either complete response or clear margins and also stopping possible spread first. After having a PET or CT scan, this may become part of the conversation. Perhaps you can read up on some of the threads here - especially on herceptin and Perjeta given prior to double mastectomy.
I'm hoping you can have an informative discussion with a medical oncologist that you trust prior to making all of these surgery decisions.
I have 3 young children and am sending you a hug. I'm so sorry to hear of your new overwhelming diagnosis.
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Some will do neoadjuvant (presurgery) Chemo, some will do adjuvant (post surgery) Chemo and a few of us will do both neoadjuvant and adjuvant. If neoadjuvant Chemo is done, it will usually consist of 2 different 'batches' of Chemo (1 example - 4 DD A/C followed by 12 weekly Taxol or other combinations). Neoadjuvant chemo has been used for years with IBC (Inflammatory Breast Cancer) to get it to form a 'lump' as it forms as a 'nest' or in 'bands' making surgery less than optimal. It is now being used more often with other types of BC to get the lump to shrink the mass, get good margins and sometimes even gets a complete response. This allows for less invasive surgery and a better prognosis.A very few of us will do both neoadjuvant and adjuvant Chemo. I did 4 DD A/C (Dense Dose Adriacymin and Cytoxan every 2 weeks) neoadjuvant. Then 2 weeks after last A/C had UMX (had formed a 'lump', shrunk and good margins) and 3 weeks later started adjuvant. Then a week after last Taxol, started 25 rads. My Drs (Chemo and Surgeon) had never expected a complete response but wanted to get 'it' to where Surgeon had a chance of getting it out and then would do adjuvant Chemo (12 weekly Taxol) to 'mop up' any cells that might have 'escaped' surgery.
There is no 'One Size Fits All' when it comes to each of us - individually. What is 'right' for one may not at all be correct for someone else. We each enter the 'battle' as different persons just as while there may be similarities for some - no one is exactly the same. Some of us have health issues that have to also be dealt with along with BC TX but some of us have no (or very small/minor) health issues to deal with, different ages, outlooks on life are but a few of the infinity of differences between us all. Our Drs are also very different in their outlook on which TX would be best for each individual.
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Focus on your onc appt tomorrow where you'll find out if she/he recommends chemo before or after. Do you feel like you can trust this onc? Do you feel comfy with this person? Because this is the key member of your team that will be monitoring you closely over any other doc.
Even though you are PR- the ER+ and HER+ make you more of the triple positive group. If it were me in your shoes, I'd spend time today checking out this forum too.
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/80
Also I've never heard of rads before sx or before chemo. The purpose of rads is to "clean out" possibly any cancer cells that may be left behind in the breast that sx and chemo may have missed- so it's at the end.
Try to keep calm and write down your questions for tomorrow. I always thought I'd remember them all but it never happened that way, esp under duress. That's why I got a planner going as well as a journal.
Thinking of you tomorrow.
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Hi sweetie, don't worry too much about making the right decision about the treatment regimen. All oncologists pretty much fooolow a protocol depending on stage. Also, neoadjuavnt ( Chemo before surgery ) is typically recomended if the tumor is a bit large. either way , there is no real conclusive data to say one is better then the next, I would say this, you absolutely do not. Have to decide on the type of reconstruction now. It can always be done after your completed with your chemo and rads.
Have faith with your Oncs, deal with the crap to get rid of the Bc, THen do therecon.
That helped me a lot.
God bless!
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Thank you, Wallan this is very encouraging! Congrats on your progress and keep up the great work! (((Hugs!)))
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Thank you, Artista! You have given me some great advice. I look fwd to hanging out with you wonderful ladies and sharing our journey's. And I'm going to get me a planner...just like you. 😉
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Traveltext I like that advice about letting the Dr's know that I expect the best care. Thank you and congrats on your success thus far. You are an inspiration!
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nye1980 you are such a Sweetheart! Thank you for the Support! ❤
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kikks you are correct and things could always "be worse." I am thankful for every breath I take, and for every moment of watching my children lead healthy, normal, active lives.
Everything seems to be coming so fast, it makes me, or rather made me forget about all of the things I have that I still need to be thankful for. Thank you for reminding me! ❤
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Oh and Kicks...congrats on the outcome thus far!
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I'll catch up more in the morning...I keep almost falling asleep writing and replying.
(((Hugs!)))
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Hey Mommie, I had a similar dx to you nearly two years ago (see my stats). Sorry to hear about your dx, but once you have begun a treatment plan things will get better. I had surgery before chemo, because they thought the tumour was smaller than it was..little did they know. I had mastectomy with lymph node on the spot.
I have just been scheduled for my lat dorsi recon in June and that was my choice. In retrospect I'm glad I waited..I took a long time to take everything in,be sure and decide which recon would be right.
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Hi there, thought i would chime in...you will get through this, just a bump in your very long road of life.
Try to remember it's just another disease that can be treated and oftentimes "cured", although we don't like to use that word here much...using it allows us to relax our vigilance about protection in the future, and the second part of "treatment", after all the surgery, chemo, etc. is over--is our own self-treatment in adopting a lifestyle that we can actually use to keep any future baddies at bay. There is so much we can do for ourselves, and these boards will help you with that, too.
I liked knowing that I could be active in building and maintaining my own "wall" against c after all the drama of surgery, recovery, chemo, rads was over--and not simply be a passive recipient of some treatment that a doctor gave me for a short amount of time. It made me feel more in control of my body, because when we are first dx, we feel like our bodies betrayed us. Our girls turned on us, and and it made me pretty disillusioned and angry, of course terrified, for a time.
There are so many specific discussion boards here where you can post questions/concerns. I found this site invaluable and still do, for post-tx research and particular things I can do to better ensure once it was gone, I had the best chance of helping it STAY gone.
Make sure that when you talk to ANY doctor or medical person--every time--, you first ask them to slow down and talk to you in regular English (unless you are a medical person yourself); you hired THEM to take care of you, not the other way around, and you have the right to tell them what you need: if you hired a paint contractor to paint your house, you'd choose the paint color, not let them choose for you! 2) have your husband take notes--not word for word, but any recommendations about drugs, types of surgeries, etc. and ask WHY they are rxing that particular treatment if it doesn't make sense to you; 3) stay away from Dr. Google. Dr. Google is often not reliable unless you go deeper to current medical journal articles, etc., and the information Dr. Google offers is oftentimes very old (an article written in 2010, e.g., would be the end of some long years of research). If you have questions, come here. This group of women (and men) are incredibly knowledgeable and I don't know what I would have done without this site.
That reminds me, I need to make a donation to bc.org next payday!
You'll get through this and be okay, promise. Hugs.
Claire in AZ
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Thank you all for your wisdom, knowledge and caring loving words that are portrayed in each and every post here.
As you know everything is moving so fast that it's hard to find very much "Me Time" to reply, post updates...etc...
I met with the Oncologist as well as my Second Opinion Surgeon since I last posted.
Due to the HER2 Positive status he will have me on 4 different Chemo Drugs and I'm scheduled for the Chemo Port to be surgically placed on Monday.
I'm being scheduled for all the Bone, CT scans, Genetic Testing, Chemo class...etc
My Breast MRI is tomorrow.
My Breast Cancer Stage was changed from the previous Stage 3 to IIB. I have decided to go with my 2nd opinion Surgeon who Specializes ONLY in breasts.
I will eventually have to do Radiation 5 days a week for..I think 4 months...don't quote me on that. There's so much to take in.
All in all..my Spirits are great. I feel like I'm in great hands with the choice of Specialists we have chosen thus far. I still need to return the phone call to the PS office that called me as I was walking into another appt yesterday.
I just wanted to give an update and let you all know that I appreciate the love, kindness and support that I feel here. I will be around as I can and will be reviewing more Posts on this website to better my knowledge from you all. Thanks again. ❤
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I'm supposed to attend my "Chemo Teach" class Tuesday. Does anyone know if they allow the Spouse to attend with us?
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These classes encourage you to bring the person who will be helping you, so definitely go with your spouse. It'll also give him a chance to get his questions addressed, which is just as important.
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Mommie, I was DXed almost 6 years ago. My doc asked me to delay recon, so it wouldn't interfere with timely treatment. It was a bit jolting at the time, but in hindsight it was a good call. It allowed me to focus on the important stuff, and it gave me time to consider all my options for recon.
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Yes - a spouse (or friend) will be allowed if you choose to have to have someone with you. The object of the class is for you to gain information about the drugs being used (not just the Chemo drugs but also the other ones used along with the infusions) and the other drugs/medications you will be taking orally before and after.
There will be so much info given about a multitude of topics that are important to know.
Different Facilities will have different ways the handle the Chemo Education Class(es). For me, the first Chemo Education class (before A/C) took close to an hour with one of the Chemo RNs then straight to infusion. The 2nd Education class was before Taxol and was about 1/2 hour then to infusion. My classes were 1 on 1 with an RN but I have seen some 'here' say they had gone to a class that had several in the class and was not immediately before the infusion.
I was given a notebook that had all the information to be discussed. Included was the info pn the chemo and related drugs/meds that would be used. It was intended to be a Reference Source. Still have my book.
Questions were asked throughout to be sure 'you' understood what she was telling you Questions from 'you' were encouraged. As Section by Section were gone through the RN would use Highliter on the areas most pertinent to 'you'.
As I said - this was how my Facility did it but others could be different.
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Mommi
Take who you want , both my daughter and husband went with me and it was good, It was such a crazy time and remember all they are telling you just was not sinking in for me. Even with both of them being there we could not remember all they talked about and thanks to my daughter taking notes and recording everything we were ready for our first chemo .
Huggs
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I'm sorry! I don't have much advice but I wanted to tell you that my Aunt was diagnosed at 42, stage 3c, 13 positive nodes. She has 3 kids and her youngest at the time was only 4. It was a nightmare for her and it was hard.
That was 17 years ago. She made it and so will you!
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