Can we ever go home to the U.S.?/Treatment in U.S.
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I am U.S. citizen expatriate living outside of the U.S. for many years and been living in Singapore with my family. My wife was diagnosed with Stage IV breast cancer last year. She has been receiving the most fantastic medical care here in Singapore. Before my wife's diagnosis, we were planning to return home to the U.S. since our children were getting older and we were missing home.
My wife's treatment has been radiation therapy, chemotherapy (Vinorelbine) and targeted therapy with herceptin and perjeta (pertuzumab) we have been extremely fortunate that she has responded very well to the treatment and with all of her incredible hard work fighting this. Right now she is no longer on chemotherapy but only on herceptin and perjeta. Since my wife has responded well, we are now re-visiting our plan to return home the U.S. since that is home and where we wish for our children to spend the rest of their childhood growing up. However, this past week my wife's Dr. told us that my wife will need to be on herceptin and perjeta for the next 5 years.
My concern is whether my wife will continue to have the same level or better medical treatment if we were to return to the U.S. I used to think as an American that the U.S. had the best medical care in the world but after living overseas for a while I realize that sadly that may not necessarily be true. I understand (but I am not sure if it is true) that the chemotherapy drug that my wife was given (Vinorelbine) is not approved in the U.S. for breast cancer treatment but approved in Europe and Singapore. If you are not familiar with Vinorelbine, it cause little to no hairloss and relatively milder side effects compared to other chemotherapy drugs. My wife had very little hair loss and no one noticed or even aware that my wife is battling cancer.
I am hoping to gather information from the community on whether heceptin + perjeta is easily available for treatment in the U.S. and covered by most medical insurance and the costs for treatment.
Right now we have a Singapore only medical insurance policy that covers the entire cancer treatment including immunotherapy (up to an annual limit of approximate US$450,000). The annual renewal premium I just paid for my wife's policy was Singapore $2,175 (which is approximately US$1,550). We currently do not have any U.S. medical insurance since we made a financial decision a few years ago to terminate it because the premiums were extremely expensive. Unfortunately, now that my wife has cancer she now has a serious pre-existing condition and under the current Administration/Congress plans to replace/nullify the ACA I am not sure if she would be able to get any medical insurance coverage when we return to the U.S.
The costs of each treatment for my wife has been herceptin = SG$5,400 (approx. US$3,840) and perjeta SG$8,600 (approx US$6,120). She is now on a 3 week cycle now so the total expenses are US$10,000 to US$20,000 per month.
I look forward to hearing the community. Many thanks for your assistance.
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Yes, h & p is covered by insurance and standard treatment for her2+. The price varies greatly, but my ins was billed around $21,000 for the 2 drugs.
If one of you are going to be working, that would be your best bet to get insurance through your employer. they would cover your family and can't ask any medical questions about pre existing conditions.
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Repeating, because it is an important point. You'll be fine if you will be employed and get insurance through your employer. In that situation, you are protected despite the pre-existing condition issue. Neither the employer nor the insurer can ask about your health issues. Nothing going on with ACA changes that.
The chemo you mention won't be available. H+P will be available. Immunotherapy is not approved here yet, but available through clinical trials. Options increasing every year. If you have insurance through an employer, returning to the US should be fine. I am so glad your wife is doing well. I've lived abroad, I know what it feels like to want to come home. Hope it works out for you.
>Z<
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Agree that you will want to have employer-provided health insurance, but plans vary greatly both in employee share of costs and in the particulars of what is covered so you would want to thoroughly vet any employer provided plans. You are right to be concerned about the ACA--we are worried too! Your current plan cost is a drop in the bucket compared to here; your employee payment portion of even a generous employer provided insurance plan will cost much more and will likely include deductibles and copays on top of that. H and P are available here but Immunotherapy for breast cancer is typically available only via trials which have a qualification process and not always convenient/logistically doable. Possible to wait a year or two and see how your wife is doing? Frankly I think it will be hard to match the quality of treatment and cost value your wife is currently getting, and the insurance hassles here are expensive and draining.
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I don't quite understand some of the responses to your question. The ACA has not been changed with this new administration. Nothing has been passed in Congress to change the ACA. Having a pre-existing conditions does not mean that you can not get insurance, nor do you pay more than your peers. Depending on which state you plan to return to, your choices for health insurance plans [self-pay] can be very good or wretched. Choose your state wisely. Even the most draconian proposals for changing the ACA, which do not have enough votes to pass, will continue to allow people with illness to continue to buy insurance if they have been covered for the previous year. BUT, those changes have NOT been voted into law.
Some states have accepted extra money so that if you return without a job, you might very well be heavily subsidized.
I have no employer. I have never had an employer. I have always had self-pay and I have insurance that has covered absolutely all of my treatments.
That said, insurance is expensive and will probably become more so now that the IRS has been told to NOT apply the penalties for not having insurance.
*susan*
EDITED to ADD: Every single one of us is covered under the ACA, regardless of who pays for the coverage. The ACA dictates who and what must be covered as a minimum.
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ACA premiums do vary greatly by state, yes. There have not yet been changes in the ACA law, but since it was a major part of the presidential campaign it's unlikely to disappear. A high-risk pool amendment has been introduced and it's possible that there will be another vote on the on the new plan (AHCA). The pool would separate people with cancer and other serious/chronic illnesses from the general pool of insured population in order to lower insurance rates for the healthy. Not sure how that will work as part of the AHCA, but when states used this method prior to ACA, the funds were subsidized by taxes and very high premiums for those in the pool. I hope this goes nowhere as high risk pools usually cause hardship for the sickest people while not solving the basic issue of reducing health care cost.
From what the OP has written, his family is happy with their coverage and treatment and his wife is doing well. With all of the health care unknowns on the horizon in the US, my own feeling is that I would want my spouse to continue to receive the good, affordable care (which incudes immunotherapy not readily available here) that they are getting for a while longer since she was diagnosed only a year ago. Their annual premium is also dirt cheap ($1550.) Agree he should investigate the situation in whatever state(s) they are considering if using ACA/AHCA, or fully understand any employer sponsored plan.
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I didn't think they could even get that amendment out of committee. Do you have the bill number so that I can investigate? A quick google search didn't find anything. Obviously, this is really important to all of us.
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At this point it's just titled "Amendment to HR 1628" There is a link to the amendment in the blog article below. As it reads now, the high risk pool would be funded by the federal govt for 3 years then turned over to the states. It was introduced to committee on 4/6. Sorry could not hotlink.
healthaffairs.org/blog/2017/04/06/house-gop-moves-to-add-invisible-risk-sharing-program-to-ahca-other-aca-developments/
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I am not living in the US but your insurance is dirt cheap for me, too. And given the options there, which she may end up needing within the next 5 years, I would stay put in Singapore for the moment.
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hi!
Vinorelbine is Navelbine in IV form in the US. It is not approved in the pill form, yet. To correct that bit of information.
Immunotherapy trials mostly invite Triple Negative MBC patients, though H+ ones also exist. Still a contreversial therapy throughout the world, as is so new and longterm serious SEs not available.
And I agree, the US may not be the better place to receive therapy in many states, so agree with Susan you DO select the state carefully.
Best wishes
Ebru
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