Over the muscle implant reconstruction
I am considering options for prophylactic mastectomy for family history (no genetic mutation). I am slender and fitness is a huge part of my life. I like this option as it does not cut the muscle. Can anyone comment about positive or negative experiences? Is this a specialized procedure that only a few doctors do? My PS never mentioned it
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philagirl- check out the thread called Te/implant over muscle can exercise and no ripples. In breast reconstruction forum.
There's a list of surgeons doing this procedure.
Many of us are very happy with this choice. The pain and recovery seems to be much easier.
Maybe you would be a candidate for pre pectoral direct to implant placement. That's what I had. Implants are placed at the same time as bmx. It's a great choice if you want to stay the same size or go smaller.
Best wishes as you make these decisions
Alli
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Thanks for responding Ali. I will check out the thread. How long ago did you have your surgery? Is it relatively new procedure? Did you have less muscle pain with recovery? Are you happy with how they look? Thank you so much
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Hi Philagrl, do check out my thread on Prepectoral Implant Reconstruction. It has been around for about 5 years. I think the initial research with over Pectoral was done in Italy. It is a much, much faster recovery. I have several very athletic women who post on the thread about how they feel about all of the process. No Iron Bra with Prepectoral! I have over 30 PS who do that kind of reconstruction posted on a list at the start of the thread. Go take a look and ask for input, the lovely women there will be glad to give you feedback.
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Philagirl,
I had my surgery Jan 20th. I am overall satisfied with the results. I had BC 10 yrs ago and had lumpectomy followed by radiation. The BMX was to treat a recurrence.
The radiation can complicate things. In my case, the implant placed was smaller than I had wanted-385cc. But because the radiated side would only stretch just so much, it sort of dictated how large I could go. I did have skin and nipple sparing BMX. I lost about 80% of the radiated nipple due to poor healing but the other side looks good. I would absolutely do it again. The size is smaller than my native breasts but honestly don't look much different in clothes since I have no droop anymore. I have absolutely no sensation in the breast area but do feel like keeping my native nipples (most of them anyway) and areolas has helped them retain some sense of them feeling more like me. I really like the shape and projection of my implants and I have nice cleavage. They are Natelle Inspira smooth round high profile cohesive gel.
In your case, I think this may be a great option to explore. You have time to select a great surgeon and gain as much information as you can about your options. I think the pain was definitely less than what others have described with the below muscle TE. If you are a candidate for pre pec direct to implant, it would be a one and done big surgery. There may always be the possibility of some revisions or fat grafting down the road. I do have my journey posted on the reconstruction picture forum and would be happy to share if you don't have access to that yet.
Good luck with you decision making. You have definitely come to the right place for information and support
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Thank you I will. Just figuring out how to navigate this forum
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thank you Alli. When the implant is placed over the muscle is there enough skin to cover the implant? Did your ps use alloderm? Also, how did you decide between teardrop and round implants? Thanks
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philagirl- I had skin sparing bmx but no TE. There was enough skin to cover the implants. The radiation side has very thin skin but the non cancer side look good and has quite a bit more "padding". The PS did wrap both implants with alloderm. If I had never had rads, I think the results would be great.
As far as deciding on implant shape....the PS said they generally use the same implant for most patients since it is their best looking implant. It was the natrelle inspira high profile smooth round cohesive gel. The shape is very nice but leaves an area above the implant that needs filling in to make a more natural appearance. I have very nice cleavage and look good in clothes. My right nipple looks natural though the areola is a bit pale. I lost most of the rads nipple and will likely have the pale areala tattooed. The PS mentioned taking half of my good nipple and grafting it onto the mini nip left side. I was afraid it wouldn't heal and decided we will look into having 3 d tattooing later on.
It's definitely a work in progress.
I really do believe the pre pec direct to implant would be a great choice for those that want to be the same size or a bit smaller particularly if you do not needs rads and can do skin sparing. I believe it would be a great cosmetic result with little pain.
I wish you the best and will be glad to share my story and experience further. Just pm me if you want.
Alli
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Why do you say if someone want to be the same size or smaller?
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Since the implants are placed immediately, there is no expansion process to allow stretching of the skin to make room for a bigger implant.
Excess skin can be removed at the time of surgery if you are choosing to go smaller than your natural breast.
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Hi Philagirl, I've had by prepecs for 8 months now. I am very satisfied, and as odd as it may sound, I feel like they are really part of me. They aren't perfect, but knowing that women who have their natural breasts are not perfect does make me feel more natural.
Of course I can't truly compare my experience to the sub muscular implants, but I can vouch for what I believe was a fairly straightforward recovery and return to activity. The biggest part was allowing everything to heal after sugary which meant restricted activity. However, that was only mentally challenging. Physically I felt well very quickly.
I have alloderm completely covering my implants and they are the teardrop shaped ones with the textured surface. Prior to getting the implants I had TEs to expand the skin as I needed to add room. I had 2 rounds of fat grafting to pad the edges of the implants as they are visible through my skin due to thinness of skin from stretching and no natural padding left.
At the end of the day, my fat grafting was partially successful as I didn't have a lot of fat to harvest. So, it was up to me to be satisfied with my result and I am. If I slouch or feel my implants I can tell I have rippling. However, I've chosen to wear a bra (in part because I was instructed to for a while after surgery while alloderm healed, etc...) and I can create a nice looking cleavage with an underwire and no one would suspect implants (I think!) or see any type of rippling. Given my body shape, I really like the look of the teardrop. It seems very natural looking with the upper slope. I do know that really depends on the person - round seems to be the correct choice for many ladies on here.
I simply can not imagine any other option. I knew nothing when I went in to discuss reconstruction. I didn't even know there were options outside of implants! My PS said implants were my only choice, really, and she presented both above and below the muscle as equal options. Again, I had no idea it was something "new". After discussing a lot, I chose above because I was worried about muscle spasms and she showed me a video of a woman who's implants would contract when she used her pec muscles.
I have "tiny" implants - 290cc but for me they are appropriately sized. I wear a 30D or 30DD in bras (that would be like maybe a 32B if had a larger rib cage).
Negatives? I mentioned - I have rippling and to some degree the edges of the implants are slightly visible. These problems may by unique to me as fat grafting only did so much. I guess that might be a negative, too, depending on how you look at it. Fat grafting may be extra surgeries and healing time. I also have noticeable changes where the fat was taken - my butt is much flatter and I'm pretty sure I have a little bit of ripple or lumpiness on my inner thighs from the last try (I'm hoping I'm the only one to notice that!). Also, I have the type of implant linked to the implant-related cancer that was recently in the news. For that, I will be staying in touch with my PS office over the coming years, but understand this risk is still incredibly low. I can't think of others negatives.
However, as I mentioned, I am happy overall. I think it took a handful of months to arrive at this place which is also important to keep in mind.
Good luck to you!
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I had nipple sparing prophylactic mastectomy August 31, 2017. I'm 57-year-old healthy non-smoker and I opted "top of the muscle" due to the fact it's less invasive and a better recovery time. I had 10 weeks of expanders which were expanded with strictly air. It was rather unique as I felt I was being filled up like a beach ball. I had my exchange surgery November 14 where the Dr. open the same incision taking out the expanders and inserting permanent silicone implants. I actually went slightly larger than my initial size to match my frame better. My incision went for my armpit to just close to the areola.
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Hi,
I'm just recently diagnosed, and this is my first post, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of time pre-surgery to make decisions. I was in a car accident 20 years ago and have had a lot of soft tissue issues, muscle spasms, etc. So, when they told me that the only option for implants was under-the-muscle because the skin after radiation can't hold an implant, that sounded like a recipe for much future pain for me. I figured I'd just have to go without. No one mentioned this alloderm option. Just want to be sure I understand. It's a full mastectomy, but they preserve the skin and then the implant can go in there? And if your skin is too thin from radiation, alloderm can help? Am I understanding that correctly? At first they thought I'd just be doing a lumpectomy, but then they found another tumor. (So, another Biopsy later today.) Also, because of all the old injuries, I don't do well with any sort of imbalance (like, if I carry a bag just on one side, things go haywire because of my somewhat unstable spine) so, I'm thinking if one breast goes, the other one will need to, too. They keep saying how it doesn't make a difference medically (survival?) but there's more to it, I think, than that. Thank you.
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fisher - Yes, it's a full mastectomy. It's usually only advised if your skin can be saved - so the tumor can't involve the skin. The incision is made and the breast tissue is removed and then the implant (or tissue expander if needed) is placed. Alloderm is used to help to hold it in place.
If you know that you are going to need radiation, it's probably better to go with the TE first and do the exchange for implant later. I'm not aware of Alloderm helping with "thin skin" - perhaps fat grafting? That is often used to soften the appearance and feel.
Not all PS's do the pre-pec surgery. You may want to ask your BS for recommendations.
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also, check out the thread here" TE/over the muscled implant, can exercise...." (or something like that. I can't link to it on my phone). You will find a list of doctors all over the country who do.pre pectoral reconstruction and a lot of women's experiences with them. This is a hard time for you b/c of all of the things to decide on. Hang in there, it gets better!
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