Lymph Node Removal with Stage 3A

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Hanging_in_there
Hanging_in_there Member Posts: 226
edited March 2017 in Stage III Breast Cancer

I was originally staged at IIB, but just found out I am now IIIA. Is there anyone out there that had only the lymph nodes involved removed and not all of them? I saw a surgeon and she said I have no choice but to have all my nodes removed. I see another surgeon in a few days. (I'm with an HMO, so I can't get any doctor I want.).

If you have/had stage 3 is there any hope of saving some lymph nodes if they were not involved? What is the name of the procedure that would give information. Is it sentinel node biopsy or axillary node biopsy or both.

I want to survive, but I would like to survive with as little disability as possible (lymphedema).

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  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited March 2017

    Hi!

    I was diagnosed at Stage IIIA, with one node compromised. I ended up having Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (ALND), which meant that the surgeon took out all of my Levels I and II lymph nodes, or 20 in all. (The surgeon did not take out my Level III nodes.) I have not developed lymphadema (so far).

    Sentinel nodes are removed in BC patients to see whether or not their nodes are involved. How do you know you have nodes involved? My node was picked up on a scan and my radiologist did a fine-needle biopsy to confirm it was cancer. I think one of the problems with selective node removal is that scans can be inaccurate about the number of lymph nodes involved. I have heard, however, of some BC patients getting selective node removal and then getting radiation in the armpit area. That might be a possibility. Definitely talk about this issue with Surgeon #2. Best wishes!

  • Hanging_in_there
    Hanging_in_there Member Posts: 226
    edited March 2017

    I found breast cancer with a big lump under my armpit. I know several nodes are involved. I'm having neoadjuvent chemo now

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2017

    I originally had three nodes removed with BMX (SNB). All showed clean. When I had a recurrence, it was in a lymph node under my collar bone. I had chemo both before and after this second surgery and also had radiation. It was only the one node that was malignant, so the surgeon only removed 7 nodes doing an ALND.

    Good luck with your second opinion.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited March 2017

    Hanging-in-there,

    I had neoadjuvant chemo, too. What annoyed me is that the radiologist didn't put a surgical marker in my compromised node. So, when the chemo cleared out my node, the surgeon didn't know which one it was. As a result, he just took all 20.

    Have you had a PET scan or an MRI? Does your surgeon have a basic idea of where the affected nodes are?

    Hope you can avoid ALND!

  • Hanging_in_there
    Hanging_in_there Member Posts: 226
    edited March 2017

    I will have a second MRI after chemo to see how things are. Has anyone been treated with carboplatin? I see that is a new chemo drug good for triple negative. I don't know how many nodes are involved, but several.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited March 2017

    Hi:

    On my first time around, I was stage 3A with 2 positive lymph nodes. 18 nodes were removed under my arm at that time when I had my mastectomy and I was warned about lymphedema.

    Well, its been 13 years now with no recurrance of this cancer. And, I do not have any signs of lymphedema. And over the years I had blood drawn from that arm, blood pressure take on that arm, even during surgery, IV's started in that arm, I lifted free weights at the gym and in my current job, I regularly lift 50 lbs or more.

    I think the only time that my right arm has bothered me in terms of achyness is when I had the SNB on the other (left) side this time last month. When I was recovering, and my left armpit was swollen and sore from surgery, my right armpit and back of right arm ached. This was a first after all these years. Is it related?? Not sure.

    Good luck to you

    Wallan


  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2017

    carboplatin is actually not a new drug. When people talk about TCHP or TCH, they are referring to Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin & Perjeta. When they talk about AC, that's adriamycin and cytoxan.

    I had both, so yes I had carboplatin. However I didn't have a complete response so that's why I had AC after surgery.

  • HarleyDream
    HarleyDream Member Posts: 17
    edited March 2017

    Hi Hanging In There!

    I had stage IIIA (6+cm tumor half in breast and half on chest wall) with an enlarged node in my armpit (I did not have it biopsied/had AC+T neoadjuvant) and had double mastectomy/no recon, sentinel node with one extra (6 nodes) taken out at surgery. Margins and nodes were clear, however TNBC is bad for local reoccurrence so I also had 33 radiations. I do not have lymphodemia and am back working on my farm while also doing Xeloda for "preventative" because chemo made my tumor slide back into the breast off of the chest wall but it just barely shrunk it.Hope this info helps you!🍀

    -HarleyDream🐴🐴

  • Hanging_in_there
    Hanging_in_there Member Posts: 226
    edited March 2017

    Thank you Harley Dream. So the Xeloda is supposed to keep the tumor smaller? is that what Xeloda does? And is this experimental or typical treatment?

  • SSInUK
    SSInUK Member Posts: 245
    edited March 2017

    hi hanging in there, sentinel mode biopsy is irrelevant if you know you have involved nodes - unless you have a PCR or complete response to chemo with all cancer disappearing. Even then it's controversial.In standard surgery the surgeon takes a fat pad, they can't specifically excise a number of nodes. They may do levels one and two and not three if you only have a few level one nodes involved. The risk of local recurrence means if you didn't have axillary clearance they'd almost certainly do rads to the armpit - and you'd want them to - and the risk of lymphadems is equal with both treatments.

  • HarleyDream
    HarleyDream Member Posts: 17
    edited March 2017

    Xeloda had a study done on it a few years ago called Create X. It provided results that it keeps a potential reoccurrence away better than not using for those of us that did not have a huge response to neoadjuvant chemo. Since my tumor barely changed size and originally was up on my chest wall.....for me it made sense to do it. There are several threads on Xeloda and TNBC if you are interested in reading more!

    - HarleyDream

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited March 2017

    Hanging in there I also was stage IIB - when they did the SNB three nodes were positive. After my mastectomy one more came up with a "spec" but they had removed a total of 29 nodes! That made me stage IIIA . Just like mentioned above, I was told they take out a fat pad and that determines how may nodes come out.

    I had radiation in my arm pit and also in the middle of my chest. It was a decision I made because my RO stated there was some evidence that it spreads to the other breast that way. I hadn't had any sign of lymphedema until the last 5 months, not real bad, but irritating enough that I'm going to go to an LE therapist to see how to keep the swelling from getting worse. Another BC survivor I know only had 6 nodes removed and she had issues with LE almost from the start. She said I may have had less issues because I used to have a perspiration problem, now that arm pit doesn't sweat or grow hair. Crazy!

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited March 2017

    My Breast surgeon only took out the first layer of lymph nodes to reduce the risk of L.E. I knew from my 2nd biopsy after MRI that I had lymph node involve

  • Hanging_in_there
    Hanging_in_there Member Posts: 226
    edited March 2017

    I saw a second surgeon, who I hoped would not take out all nodes. She said she would take out Level 1 and Level 2, but keep level 3 and 4. I did not know that 1 and 2 were all the ones in my arm until a friend told me that after I emailed her. It just seems I don't have a choice. This surgeon is supposed to be the most up-to-date surgeon in my HMO. I'm still keeping her instead of the first surgeon. She thought I should not do a double mastectomy. My abdominal region only will allow one breast to be reconstructed. (not enough fat there). Not enough fat on inner thigh, I would not consider dorsi Lat surgery. Surgeon says I have enough fat on my butt for some special surgery I could get, but I'm not doing 9-12 hour surgery for my breasts.

    My abdominal region will barely provide enough for 1 breast and since I don't really have a lot of flab there, I would be getting a "tummy tuck" on a place without the bulges. I just can't do it. My fat is on my hips and outer thighs, lots there, but not on my tummy.

    Even if I can't do autologous breast recon, taking only one breast would mean less surgery, so I think that seems better.


  • GeorgiaRai
    GeorgiaRai Member Posts: 175
    edited March 2017

    Because of my stage & tumor size, my surgeon wanted chemo first, but my MO wanted surgery first so she could base my treatment on the pathology. They agreed (finally, as I sat in one office as they texted each other about it!) that step 1 would be SNB, followed by chemo, followed by BMX. After the SNB, my BS told me she was able to locate the sentinel node, but could clearly see that a few others nearby were positive, so she removed them - a total of 8, leaving my risk of LE relatively small.

    Based on the positive nodes & follow-up PET, I completed my chemo, surgery and rads. At the time of my BMX, I was concerned they'd do an ALND, but my surgeon said no, she wouldn't check anymore and wouldn't remove anymore, because rads would effectively treat any possible residual cells.

    I'm 5 years out, still on AIs but living pretty much side-effect free (and boob-free as I chose not to reconstruct). I take precautions on my SNB side (no draws, bp, heavy lifting, etc.) just in case it helps keep LE away, and so far, so good!

    Good luck, Hanging_in_there!

  • dAd
    dAd Member Posts: 94
    edited March 2017

    I had a sentinel node with macromets which had spilled out of the node. After chemo my axillary nodes were removed 3 of which had mets. In other words, you never know and, whatever the consequences (LE), your treatment could be affected

  • fightergirl711
    fightergirl711 Member Posts: 300
    edited March 2017

    Hi there - you definitely never know. I had 4 nodes removed during the sentinel node biopsy, all four had cancer. they weren't expecting to find any. Once I completed chemo and had a re-excision and ALND, they removed another 8 (I think?) and three had what they called "treatment effect" - scarring from chemo doing its job. So there were at least another three nodes that were affected.

    It has only been a year, I am active, have had some swelling here and there, it's mostly the tightness in my chest and the muscles under the arm that bother me. I wear a sleeve occasionally. It's not bad swelling it's more of peace of mind, I suppose. But it hasn't even been a year, so I'm giving it time. Physical therapy and yoga has helped a ton.

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