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thebrave5
thebrave5 Member Posts: 12

I have just been diagnosed with recurrent stage IV and am waiting to begin treatment shortly which will be taxol 1x per week for 12 weeks, followed with radiation and hormone-type therapy the rest of my life. My first go-around I had mastectomy and then five years of arimidex so no experience with chemo. Among all the THOUSANDS of thoughts that whirl through my mind is one underlying fact....I want to live whatever time/years (i hope) that I have left with my kids and many grandchildren. I have a high-stess job for which I am currently on leave through FMLA which I know is not good for my health. I am only 55 and have STD and LTD but I'm so worried that I will be forced to go back to work--we are not ready for retirement. Can anyone tell me what your experience was and, if for that matter, did you work throughout treatment?

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited March 2017

    Hi thebrave5 and welcome to Breastcancer.org,

    We're so sorry you have to be here, but we're really glad you found us. You're sure to find a very valuable network of support here, with lots of answers to your questions!

    While you wait for the ever-helpful responses from our other Stage IV members, you may also want to ask your question in the Employment, Insurance, and Other Financial Issues forum. In addition, there's some really helpful information on the main Breastcancer.org site's section on Breast Cancer and Your Job.

    We hope this helps and we look forward to hearing more from you soon!

    --The Mods

  • mara51506
    mara51506 Member Posts: 5,088
    edited March 2017

    thebrave5, first let me say I am so sorry you've been diagnosed stage 4. That news is enough to send anyone panicking. First thing you need is time, initially the news and worrying about everything need to sink in.

    Now, about having a job and disability etc. A lot will depend on where your mets are, do you have symptoms from your mets etc. If you are not experiencing a lot of symptoms and want to make sure you stay as healthy as possible during the chemo, try to keep exercising, Even a brisk walk can take care of this. Exercise can and does help with side effects of any treatment and the related fatigue. If you can do it, this I recommend right away.

    The chemo you get as a stage 4 is weaker than what you would get when they are trying to cure an earlier stage. The only goal for stage 4 chemo is to shrink or at least hold stable mets. If they are bone only, you may even go some years before going elsewhere. Time and quality of life can be good as a stage 4 for years. Treatments are much better than they used to be, even in the past few years. Lots of Stage 4 gals here have been able to maintain working treatment and a job and still have a good life. It's so different for everyone.

    It would be hard for anyone to predict how long we stay healthy for, it can be a good number of years. Do NOT look to Google to try to find statistics on this, they are old and depressing. Just go by how you feel. If you feel decent, that is all that matters.

    I wish you the best of luck. I am sure others will be along to offer their advice. Hugs to you and your family and good luck. Also, when you have time and some of the shock has worn off, do fill out your profile. That way, if you have other questions re treatment, side effects, we can be more effective help for you.

  • thebrave5
    thebrave5 Member Posts: 12
    edited March 2017

    mara51506,

    Thanks so much for your response. Even though I am at peace with my future it sure doesn't take long to get emotional and your kind words touched me. Yes, I plan on taking care of myself with healthy eating and exercise as much as possible. I have 8 grandbabies under the age of 4 that I want to be able to keep up with and enjoy. My mets appears to be in my auxillary nodes and lung. I have my biography (re dx) filled out but why isn't it showing? Did I put it in the wrong place?

  • mara51506
    mara51506 Member Posts: 5,088
    edited March 2017

    If you look to the right, you should be able to change from private to public , then your info will be visible. That is most likely the problem. Glad I could help.

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited March 2017

    the brave --

    you make your diagnosis and treatment history public in the settings section.

    welcome.

    many people work, but i chose to quit a stressful management position and focus on my health. that job did not allow me to make self care a priority and my mental function on these drugs is not what it used to be. my energy level is up and down ... completely unpredictable how many useful hours I will have in a given day. but the response to these drugs are very individual and we have quite a few people who choose to continue working.

    IMO it is best to plan for the worst and hope for the best. i left my job, we sold our house, we have re-arranged our lives to fit our new finances and .... i am doing okay and very very happy in this streamlined minimalist lifestyle. lots of time to be with kids and focus on my care. low stress which, in turn, aids my recovery and response to treatment.

    >Z<

  • LENAGREECE
    LENAGREECE Member Posts: 27
    edited March 2017

    My dear Thebrave5,


    I was diagnosed with bonemets 2 months ago. I was in panic of course. Six years ago I had chemo working all the time. I had chemo on Friday returned at work on Monday. I was chief accountant but after the recurrence I asked if I could be just accountant in the company. They desided it is ok with the same salary. I am grateful and wish for the best for all of us. I am 53 and have 3 daughters. We have a long way to run
  • pajim
    pajim Member Posts: 2,785
    edited March 2017

    the brave5, I have a stressful job also. And I still have it, four years on. I love it or I would quit (or go to part time). And I'm lucky enough to have an understanding boss and a very supportive company.

    I've been taking hormonal therapies up until now. 8 years ago when I had Stage 3 chemo I worked through that (with support from the company).

    You need to prioritize your life. But I would urge you not to make any decisions for the first six months. Getting a diagnosis like metastatic breast cancer is hard, hard, hard. Lots of fear, anxiety, all sorts of other emotions, It's like being widowed. They tell you not to make any major decisions for a number of months.

    You may find in a few months that you like working. Or you want a different kind of job. Or you don't want to work. A lot will depend on the particular workplace. Can you make an arrangement with them?

    No one has mentioned this, but with a mets diagnosis you are eligible for long-term disability.


  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited March 2017

    Brave, sorry for the turn of events. Try not to project yourself too far into the future. Try to focus on one day at a time. As you move forward, you will start to know what your work options are and what will work best for you. You do not have to make immediate decisions. You may find the chemo tolerable. You may find yourself able to juggle a few more things once this initial shock of diagnosis wears off. You don't know right now, so let the situation unfold a bit at a time and see how things go for you. Everyone is different.

    I was dx stage iv from the start and living six plus years with the disease. I worked part time for almost five years after dx, taking off some days the weeks I had chemo. I have packed a lot of living into these past six years. Be very good to yourself. You will look at everything from a different perspective and as time goes on you will figure out what will be best for you.


  • thebrave5
    thebrave5 Member Posts: 12
    edited March 2017

    DivineMrsM, I love hearing how you've been around for so many years and living life! Yes, I'm hearing good wisdom in taking it a bit slower and being at peace with allowing things to fall into place. Ah, but I am yet a planner!

    pajim, Are you referring to the LTD through SS and can you expound on that?

  • pajim
    pajim Member Posts: 2,785
    edited March 2017

    There's a thread on disability in the "financial" forum. Take a look. As I understand it (and I'm not a lawyer nor have I gone through this) one of the "you are automatically approved for long-term disability" is advanced cancer.

    If your workplace has a LTD plan, ask for a copy of the policy and read it through. I did -- it took SOME doing. The policy confirmed that I could choose it. For me, that policy will require that I apply for Social Security Disability. We're also automatically eligible for that.

    The only thing to be careful of is your health benefits. SSD comes with a 2-year waiting period for medicare. I eventually had to ask my workplace what happened to my health insurance if I went on disability. The answer I got was "we determine that on a case by case basis". Oy.

    Please, please don't take my word for any of this but consult an expert. There was a lawyer answering questions on that disability thread.

  • singlemom1
    singlemom1 Member Posts: 434
    edited March 2017

    Thebrave5, I worked for about 8 to 9 months after being diagnosed with Mets and the pursued a disability retirement. I am a single mom to a 9 year old daughter at the time and did not have any family support. I was very emotional and stressed to say the least. My job was also high stress and it was already having a negative impact on me before the mets diagnosis. My friends encouraged my to apply for the disability retirement but I was SO WORRIED about how I would be able to financially support my daughter and not lose our home. I called the American Cancer Society and was able to receive the name of a financial advisor who was willing to work with me Pro Bono. He helped me determine if I could financially afford to try for the disability. He was absolutely wonderful and also helped me really feel the goodness and kindness from strangers. I did apply for the social security disability and retirement disability from work. Both were granted fairly quickly once the paperwork was reviewed. The majority of my symptoms were fatigue, joint pain, vomiting, cognitive decline and strong emotional distress. I was allso entitled to remain on the same insurance plan from work.For me this was the right thing to do, though I have started some volunteer work for very minimal hours to help me feel as I am contributing to society while still being able to care for myself and my daughter.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited March 2017

    singlemom, great advice on seeing a financial advisor.

    Brave, I once read a book years before bc that talked about those times of uncertainty. It gave the analogy of being a surfer on the waves. You kind of have to ride things out for a period of time. It is an approach that's helped me numerous times over the years in different circumstances.

    I also read more recently that the opposite of uncertainty is not certainty. It is openmindedness. This is an interesting philosophy and has also helped me take on the challenges I've faced and has also helped me not to just expect the worse. Some of the best times and moments of my life happened after bc, not because of it but in spite of it. Having this forum and knowing how other women coped has been a huge support to me, too.

  • thebrave5
    thebrave5 Member Posts: 12
    edited March 2017

    Thank you DivineMrsM...I'm already grateful for the support of all of you on this site.

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited March 2017

    That is a fantastic philosophy, MrsM. Yes, in the face of uncertainty, why not be open-minded? Everything is possible!

    I chose not to return to work. It was obvious to me that I did not need the extra stress. I heard a doctor at a conference say that this, like no other point in your life, is the time to focus on YOU.

  • pinkninja9560
    pinkninja9560 Member Posts: 238
    edited March 2017

    I was diagnosed with mets about 5 weeks ago and somewhere on this forum I came across info about social security disability.
    It said if you're stage 4, you almost always automatically get approved. I was shocked and grateful to read this because 4 weeks ago I filled out the application online and I just got approved today! I'm ecstatic as this will help us so much.
    You can still work but it's limited, I think you can earn around $1100 a month
  • Wiegp22
    Wiegp22 Member Posts: 268
    edited March 2017

    my onc wants to take away taxotere after 6 tx's says that's enough, neuropathy will get bad if I do anymore, wants to just keep me on h and p for liver, bone mets, what are your thoughts on this, what are my chances that I will get brain mets? Nervous to stop chem

  • Noni
    Noni Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2017

    I immediately went out on STD when I was diagnosed as stage 4. My work isn't as stressful as it is focus demanding. With chemo I quickly lost my ability to focus and it hasn't gotten better.

    I stayed on STD then went on LTD, and was approved for SSI. Due to my chemo brain I didn't realize that going on SSI meant loss of my medical insurance (tho it seems obvious now). I looked at other options and saw that there was no way I could lose my current insurance so I went back to work. I am fortunate that my boss is an ace of a human and has lightened my load significantly. I have also learned to go easy on myself and use my precious time and energy wisely.

    So, as mentioned above be sure to read all your policy documents carefully, or have someone read and explain them to you clearly. But, never underestimate your own power and strength. I never thought I'd ever be able to work another day in my life, but here I am.

  • Meme117
    Meme117 Member Posts: 194
    edited April 2017

    Im also a recent DX. Everyone is so helpful, so lucky to have this forum. It is so overwhelming with Dr appts, scans, bloodwork, etc. And I can't get appt after 4, they do assume I have no job. I will ride this out for a while before making any decision.

  • LisaY
    LisaY Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2017

    So much great advice here! Thanks everyone for sharing. I debate what to do about work almost every day. I love my job, but it demands a lot of mental focus, which has been challenging for me. I have been able to negotiate a half-time arrangement since coming off Taxol, and that seems to be good for now.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2017

    Hi all,

    Just popping in here with some helpful information from the main Breastcancer.org site's Recurrent and Metastatic Breast Cancer section on Working After a Recurrent or Metastatic Breast Cancer Diagnosis.

    We hope you find this information helpful!

    --The Mods

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